Bigfoot, Unveiling the Mystery: Ron Morehead (Season 2 Finale)

SummaryRon Morehead discusses his experiences with recording the Sierra sounds and his encounters with Bigfoot or Sasquatch. He delves into the nature of these beings, their origins, and their abilities, touching on topics such as interdimensional travel, quantum physics, and the concept of energy and frequency. The conversation also explores the intersection of science and religion in understanding these phenomena.
 Ron Morehead discusses his experiences with Bigfoot, UFOs, and paranormal phenomena. He shares insights on the potential interdimensional nature of these beings and the importance of respect and understanding. He also delves into the concept of human evolution and the significance of raising one's frequency.

Takeaways
• Ron Morehead's experiences with recording the Sierra sounds and encountering Bigfoot provide valuable insights into the nature of these beings. 
• The discussion of interdimensional travel, quantum physics, and the concept of energy and frequency sheds light on the potential capabilities of these beings and challenges traditional perceptions. 
• The conversation highlights the importance of integrating both science and religion to gain a clearer understanding of these phenomena and the universe at large. Bigfoot and UFOs may have an interdimensional component, suggesting a complex and mysterious nature. 
• Respect and understanding are crucial in interactions with these beings, and they may have a deeper connection to human evolution. 
• Raising one's frequency and understanding the interconnectedness of the universe are important for personal growth and evolution.

Sound Bites
 • "It's been quite a journey, biggest part of my life. And really I think it's taken me to a place where we need to understand more about who we are as humans because these things are something like us but they're not like us." 
• "Matter and energy are interchangeable. That was established by Einstein once, mathematically then." 
• "You can't just limit yourself to the one rule that you've been brainwashed with. We've all been brainwashed. I mean, seriously, from the time of birth, we've all been conditioned to accept certain things." 
• "They got out of the physical into the energy." 
• "If you learn how to respond properly to the experience, you're going to graduate and your frequency is going to go up." 
• "There's no such thing as losing at anything."

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Transcript

Well, hey, everybody, welcome back.

Hey, everyone.

We are Generation X Paranormal.

I am Logan.

And I'm Nicole.

And we have an amazing show.

I say that all the time.

Every single time.

But it's true.

But it's not untrue.

Yeah, I mean, just amazing.

But listen, we have an amazing guest.

It's just amazing.

Pick a new word.

How about fantastic?

No, that's my word.

Earth-shattering guests.

There you go.

I don't know why I said earth-shattering.

Anyway, if you like Bigfoot, and if you like Sasquatch or any of those, guys, we've got somebody incredibly amazing.

All the adjectives needed.

And that's Ron Morehead.

What can you tell us about Ron Morehead?

So Ron Morehead is a renowned author and adventurer, best recognized for his extensive research into the Bigfoot Sasquatch phenomenon.

He has earned acclaim as the producer of the Sierra Sounds, which is a collection of recordings representing some of the most compelling evidence in the study of Bigfoot.

Morehead's dedication to this field has spanned decades, positioning him as one of the leading figures in Bigfoot research worldwide, with a body of evidence unmatched by other researchers in the field.

And he has two books out called Voices in the Wilderness and Quantum Bigfoot.

Awesome.

Yeah, so we're gonna talk to him about these sounds.

And we've heard a couple.

Yeah, just right.

And we're gonna put them in the video and then the audio recording because they are just something you gotta hear.

Yeah, you gotta hear them.

Let's talk to Ron.

Well, hey Ron, how you doing?

Doing good, Logan and Nicole.

Yeah, we're doing good.

Doing okay.

You know, just for once out in the Midwest, we actually had a clear day and it wasn't-

Not rain or tornadoes.

Yeah, or tornadoes.

You can call it a havoc in places.

Oh, it's been something.

You know, it never fails.

It always seems to be one year, it just completely offsets from the year prior.

Nature unleashes.

God, I can't wait till winter.

When winter comes, you can't wait till summer.

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

But you know, Ron, I know we got a great subject to talk about, but before we kind of hit that off, can you tell our audience a little bit about yourself?

My name, Ron Morehead.

I'm responsible for producing the Sierra sounds, and I recorded these animals, what it means for other hunters up in the high mountains of California during the 70s.

And we had the cassette recordings studied by professors, showing that they were real, and they were not manipulated, that they were not slowed down, speeded up, nothing like that.

So, anyway, excuse me.

That's okay.

That's my alarm going off saying I'm supposed to be with Logan and I am Nicole.

Well, you're right on target.

You made it.

Well, I guess I pushed my snooze button or something, because I went off a while ago.

Okay, anyway, that's what I am.

I produce the Sierra sounds on cassette tapes, I mean, on CDs, and written three books now about the encounters we had with these beans that they call Bigfoot or Sasquatch.

However, that's been quite a while ago in the 70s, so I've been doing this for 50 years, traveling the globe pretty much, looking for more answers, because we have some very strange anomalies going on with us up there.

But the sounds have been studied, so for someone to say they don't believe them, well, they don't believe the professors that studied them, electrical engineers showed they were legitimate.

Cryptolinguists said they were legitimate, they represented a language, a complex language.

And then you got a Dr.

Lieberman, Brown University, who's a cognitive research researcher, he says only humans have the vocal mechanism for language.

So that puts a human component in them.

And now the actual recordings at Sierra Camp.

Anyway, I write about that in my last book, which you'll show probably, but it's going well.

So, that's what I do now, I do these, I love these podcasts, I don't have to travel with these, you know, they're just fun.

I love talking about it, I'm in my 80s now, and I love just getting the word out of where I think this thing has taken me, because it's been quite a journey, biggest part of my life, and really I think it's taken me to a place where we need to understand more about who we are as humans, because these things are something like us, but they're not like us.

They just, they have a part of us, or we have a part of them, something like that.

But it got me all the way back into, I was raised religiously, so I kind of first went to a biblical text to see where giants came from, stuff like that, when we encountered them up there.

And it took me way back, kept going back, back, back, and all the way back into Mesopotamia, where the good, informed texts were from the Sumerians' tablets.

And that's where it gets deep, and that's where it's really, really interesting then, because I think these things were probably created by aliens who had been coming in for eons of time.

And, but they weren't everything that the aliens wanted.

However, they did manipulate the genomes of different species on this planet.

And you study the cuneiform text and get into that, you'll see it kind of mimics a lot of things that are in biblical text, but the biblical text just has a few days there and a few days here, but you get into the cuneiform text, it's millions of years sometimes, thousands, hundreds of thousands of years, as this stuff went on.

Anyway, I'll talk all night if you don't ask me a question here and there.

Well, no, that's good.

That's also a good thing.

Yeah, I think we've had some conversation about like the Anunnaki and stuff like that.

Yeah, we talked to Floyd Wills who wrote the book and he did a lot of research in Lovelock Cave.

And I understand you were also there.

I've been there four times, yeah.

Looking for artifacts.

Yeah, I even wrote the BLM, trying to find out what happened to it because that was discovered in 1911, you know, by bat guana miners.

But it wasn't really exposed to Smithsonian until I think it was 1920 or something like that.

But anyway, a lot of artifacts have been taken out of there, but a lot of...

But BLM just denies it all.

Nothing but robust people, but yeah, they find in a humble lake bed right outside there, they got remains too that they found of eight foot size beans.

Right.

And there was, anyway, there were red-haired cannibalistic giants taking their piliates out and eating them.

Yeah, that's actually the same thing we discussed with Floyd.

With Floyd, yeah.

It's fascinating, really, you know.

Even if you don't, I know a lot of people look at the biblical text, and you know, there's a lot that can be gleaned from that if people do or do not believe.

But I mean, we've got recorded scientific proof about a lot of this stuff, so it's just, I always find the whole thing fascinating, really.

Oh yeah, absolutely.

But I guess we can kind of start with, let's go ahead and start from the beginning with Sierra Camp.

I don't think our audience probably knows a whole lot about that.

Most of our audience probably just thinks of, you know, Bigfoot in the normal, traditional sense, but may not understand or know what Sierra Camp is.

Yeah, well, Sierra Camp is eight miles into wilderness from the closest road, and we usually took horses or we backpacked in one or the other.

And it's 8,400 feet in elevation in the Sierra Nevada mountains of California, and it's just kind of an imposing place to get to, but once you get there, it's really nice.

You just want to lay out on flat rock and take in the sun.

And that's where we encountered these things.

They started coming around the camp at night, and it was pretty exciting, and we started taking tape recorders up there, and they come back again.

And we had, it was a hunting camp, it had been a hunting camp since 1958, when the Johnson Brothers started hunting up there.

I wasn't a hunter at the time, I got involved in this in 71, but one of the guys got scared off when he first heard them, and because Johnson Brothers went up earlier that year, and said there's something around the camp that's not a bear, then it leaves a big, big foot impression in the mud.

So anyway, he froze up, like one guy did, and he just wouldn't go back.

He jumped out next morning as soon as daylight came out.

Anyway, he told the wise, what the Johnson Brothers said up there is right, there's some kind of a monster up there, these things are scary.

And he didn't know where to put that, he was a very religious guy, church goer and all that, and he thought the Nephilim and all that stuff was, you know, supposed to be gone, not around anymore.

But this kind of threw a kink in all that, threw a kink in all of us actually, because we're all church goers at the time.

I'm not much of a church goer anymore, but I'm a spiritual person like you guys are too.

We're all spiritual beings, like it or not.

But religion sometimes throws a little bit of a block in that, you know, with fear and different things you gotta do to jump through their hoop.

And I don't disrespect religions other than I don't agree with most of them because they're all a matter of control, most of them anyway.

And so anyway, I, he, the wise said you gotta go back and check up on the guys.

And he said, I'll go if you'll go with me, Ron.

I was friends with them all, so I knew them, but I hadn't been a hunter till that year.

And then I went back up with him and walked in and I was thought in great shape, but I left the valley floor at 100 feet elevation and went to 10,000 feet and then dropped in and out of different ravines and got to the camp.

And my legs were like rubber.

I was so...

And I thank goodness, my buddy up there, Bill Mcdowell, he had a horse and he let me ride it out.

That saved me.

And I started going back.

I was gonna say it's funny because we were laughing because first of all, I'm from Arizona originally and I've been up to mountains.

Mountains usually at about six to seven, maybe 9,000 feet.

But a couple of years back, we went to Pikes Peak.

And yeah, if you've never been at that elevation, you're right.

It is something that your body is just not ready for if you've never been.

I got really sick.

Yeah, you get up in the high country and you, well, I've been in the Colorado high country too.

And other guys up there carry these little oxygen bottles with them, you know?

And that's a good thing to do.

Back to the last time I went up there in 2018 with David Pilates, a Missy 401 author, with his camera guy and went up there to, he wanted to interview me at the camp.

He's the only one who ever taken up there really.

And he, we took, I took a can of oxygen with me.

Yeah.

It was just a good thing to do.

So anyway.

That's how-

I didn't mean to cut you off, I just, yeah.

Well, that's how it started with me.

And I started going up there as often as I could with whoever would go with me.

I became part of the group that way.

And that winter, Warren Johnson, the leader of our group who's now passed away, he wrote a 23 page letter to Ivan Sanderson, a cryptozoologist, explaining to him what was going on around the camp.

These things were coming around and chattering and making some really horrific noises.

And Ivan Sanderson thought it was probably just somebody pulling his leg, but it was a handwritten letter.

And he forwarded it to Peter Byrne out on the west coast of Oregon.

Peter, reading the letter, thought the same thing, that somebody's pulling somebody's leg here because this doesn't happen to people.

And it doesn't, I guess.

We didn't know that.

We thought, oh, wow, we're experiencing something kind of unique.

But anyway, Peter got a hold of a man named Alan Berry.

He's a journalist in California and asked him if he wanted to come down and interview us and see if there's anything to it.

Well, he heard the sounds we recorded and we ended up inviting him in because he wanted to go in, check it out for himself.

Not knowing, we didn't know at the time, but he was really trying to uncover a hoax.

And I didn't know any of this stuff was going on until later on years when I read the correspondence between the guys.

Anyway, Alan Berry kind of got took in on, but he was still trying to find out anybody could do this way up there in the middle of nowhere without leaving a sign other than they let us record their voices.

We tried to rig up camera traps and they would seem to be ahead of us and we couldn't figure out how could they know what we're doing?

They're just an ape out there in the woods.

And that's what a lot of people still think.

They're just an ape in the woods.

But what we were dealing with up there, a lot more than just an ape in the woods.

It's a cognizant creature, beans.

And they're a little bit ahead of us.

And if you get way back like we were talking about into the Anunnaki, you find out that they were probably created before homo sapiens by genetic manipulation.

Yeah, we've definitely run across that, too.

We've talked to a few people that share that same sentiment.

Yeah.

Sorry, go ahead.

I just want to back you up on that.

Yeah.

Ask me a question.

I like questions.

Did I go far enough?

I stopped hunting.

I don't hunt anymore, but I don't like to.

No, that's perfect.

I don't like to kill anything anymore because I think we're supposed to learn how to respect stuff on this planet.

Agreed.

And I'm doing that now, and all the way from the timber to the roaches, you know.

I don't like spiders, I got to tell you that.

You and me both.

I just don't like spiders.

Yeah, our daughter famously hates them.

What's interesting, and you brought up a point, and I guess I kind of want to touch on it before I lose my train of thought, which happens more than I care to admit.

You know, we've had a lot of people that we've talked to when it comes to Bigfoot and cryptids and things like that.

And I know you're pretty passionate about this, but, you know, I like the idea of trying to kind of dispel the myth of Bigfoot and Sasquatch and these cryptids of being kind of just a primate neanderthal type, you know, and speaking with Simeon and a few other people, you know, I think a lot of people who study this realize that these are very sentient beings there.

They're very, very ahead of the bell curve.

And like you said, probably well, well beyond ours.

Can you talk a little bit about how you've come to that realization as well?

Well, first of all, I don't think they're all the same.

I think the ones in Nepal are different than the ones out here.

The ones in Australia are different than the ones here.

I think many types of aliens have been here on this planet for eons, and they've messed with the genoma species, a lot of them.

So what their agenda is depends on what they made them to be and what kind of agenda they have.

Some can be malicious.

And what we ran into up there, I think, was friendly.

We didn't get ate up or anything.

That's what made me feel better about going up there so much, because we hadn't been eaten and they hadn't carried us away.

We were all heavily armed, though, I got to tell you that.

We were ready to shoot our way out of that little shelter if we had been attacked or something.

You don't know unless you listen to the sounds if they're going to come right through, because they were just within feet of our shelter right outside there.

And if they had broke in, we would have all been deaf right now, but we just let some high-powered guns go off.

I don't know that we would have done any good, but we didn't shoot at them.

Sure made you feel better.

Maybe.

Maybe not.

But they didn't come in after us and we didn't go out after them.

We didn't try to shoot at them or anything like that, because we thought it was...

It's kind of bold that what they were doing was very bold, because you could tell there's a lot of regression in the sounds and there's a lot of interaction between them in the sounds that we recorded.

And it just wasn't until 74 when Bill and I went up there with my friend, we were the horse people, and I had taken supplies in, which we stored up there so that when we did walk in, we didn't have to carry so much.

We would leave our sleeping bags up there and barrels and stuff like that.

We reassembled the stove up there and things like that.

So we had a really nice camp set up, really nice camp.

And anyway, it was 74 when I first actually saw one, and that's how long it had been.

But we were outside the shelter, and I got in there, and we started hearing the rocks clock click and whooping sounds going on, and I pulled my little cassette recorder out of my saddlebag and started recording, and I got my second CD, which the first CD is Alberti's recordings that he had studied at the University of Wyoming, and showing how authentic they were.

And that was presented at the Anthropology of the Unknown in British Columbia in 1976, I think it was, and a professional paper written by Dr.

Curlin, professor of electroengineering, and it came out in a book, Man Like Monsters on Trial.

Anybody want to see that, he shows a graph where their sound tones were, how they were above our range, inside our range, and they could go below our range.

And that was pretty unique.

But still, you couldn't get Academia to follow it, because they all had their paradigms made up and they think, there's got to be an ape in the woods, there's got to be a remnant of the gigantopithecus or something like that.

But when you talk about the different ones, I say that because I really firmly believe that have been all over now, Peru and Bolivia and Siberia and those places like that, looking at different things.

And they just don't all have the same attributes.

They don't all have the same kind of personalities, if you want to get that.

Do you think that they...

So in talking like with Simeon Hine and a few other people...

Even Miguel was talking about the different coat...

Right, different coats and colors.

But do you feel they all utilize the same, I guess, mechanism of travel?

And I guess what I'm poking at is, do you believe in the interdimensional travel of these creatures?

Do you think that they're capable of that?

Or is that how they're kind of...

You know, because of course, everybody says, well, why can't we find...

If there's Bigfoot, why haven't we found any skeletons or proof like that?

But which I think is a bunch of, you know what, but...

But the argument is made that maybe they move, you know, interdimensional.

Well, that can address that really good, I think.

In fact, I go into it quite thoroughly in my book, my newest book, which is Bigfoot Unveiled.

And it gets into physics, quantum physics, like my second book did, in Bigfoot, quantum Bigfoot, but if you understand how the rules work throughout the universe, which is from the cell or atom all the way through the cosmos, where some of the laws of quantum physics, we live in a third dimensional density.

And that's our parameters.

We're raised in a linear timeline, and really, you've got to get out of that mindset, but everybody's got their mind made up, what they think they are, and you've got to think of your mind like a parachute.

If it don't open, you're not going to like it when you hit the ground.

But you just got to, I think, realize what's really going on.

We only see within a certain spectrum, which is 430 and 770 terahertz, that's our light's frequency.

That's all we see, is our light's frequency, with our eyes, with these two eyes.

Yet there's all these other frequencies out there, there's all these other densities out there.

Can they go from one to the other?

I think some of them can, and I think a lot of them do, and that's because they can change their matter into energy, and that's been established by matter and energy are interchangeable.

That was established by Einstein once, mathematically, then Dr.

Paul Dirac got the Nobel Prize in 1933 for it, for antimatter.

Antimatter is the exchange between matter and energy, and it's been established now by CERN in 2012 with the hydrogen collider.

Most people don't realize how significant that was, but it was pretty significant.

So, matter and energy are in a changeable.

Now, can they disappear?

Can they go into another dimension?

They can get out of our life's perception, that's for sure, I think.

We should have seen them more often.

We didn't get that many.

My daughter saw them a few, three times, actually, and I just got the…

But I think they were so close.

In fact, those sounds that we got on that first CD I made from that Alberta court that was studied, he should have been able to see what was making the sound, because it sounded like he was holding the mic so close.

But I'm wondering if they just…

Because it's evening time, dark, you know, but still, he should be able to see some movement or something, you know, and he's six foot four.

He had his head stuck up just out of the shelter a little bit, made a little hole up there, trying to get a glimpse of what was out there.

And of course, when he stuck his head up there, they would stop.

But still, as much as they were around him for the times we were there, and a lot of the times this was happening, we just didn't get to see them much.

I think the Johnson brothers saw one, well, I know one of them did, one night he was looking through one of the cracks in the wall and saw it walking by.

And it said between eight and ten foot tall.

But then, where do you go with it all?

You got to get into the anomalies, which were just puzzled us.

We didn't know where to put it with our brain.

We just thought, well, it's got to be just some kind of ape out there, but how do they do what they're doing?

So for all these years, and I'll bury the investigative report, but he had a master's degree in science.

He said, don't talk about this strange stuff when you start talking about this.

He said, or they'll just lap you out of the park.

And yeah, they would have.

So I had a reporter come to me when I was living in Washington, and she said, I heard you got some Bigfoot experience.

I said, yeah, I even talked to him, took her about three seconds to get out of that room.

You know, on your on your website, and we're going to put up links and all that stuff too.

But it's funny you say that because we listened to it just recently to the two that I think one was the fast talking and I think the other one was child's play.

I think those are the two that but what the reason I bring that up is it's so funny.

You're right.

It is so close that oh, it's yeah, especially the first one.

Yeah, how could you not see anything right there?

And it's talking to you.

Yeah, it's just it's amazing.

I urge anyone to you know, we're going to get to the part where you think it's your website and get CDs and stuff, which because they need to do that.

But yeah, but yeah, I find that just absolutely fascinating that that you're right, you know, you're recording this and the sound is you're right.

They should have been like right there in front of the person doing the recording.

Or be a big director here.

They, Al Berry had his microphone remote at about 30, 40 feet up behind the shelter.

Okay.

That's why I got the recurve sounds.

But still, it sounds like he was right there and it was in a clearing.

So he should have been able to see, but he didn't and Al Berry never did get a glimpse of anything up there.

He wasn't there as often as we were or as often as I was even, I think I've been up there as much as anybody since the 70s.

And anyway, it's unique, but I think they have a vocal mechanism which is way outside of what we can do.

I've been told by an intuitive, I'm not sure how much weight to put in that, but they have more vocal cords than we do.

That's how they make the sounds.

They can mimic just about anything.

One time I thought, well, I was listening to an owl way up the canyon up there and I had my little tape recorder and I always record this.

Turn it on, but the speaker switch was on and it screamed.

That owl sound turned right into a big foot chatter.

They chatter very rapidly.

So I think they can mimic just about anything.

That's probably a hunting skill they have too when they hunt.

But when they're in our third dimensional environment, they're subject to our third dimensional rules like we are.

They can be shot.

They have to eat.

They procreate.

I think they raise their small ones in this third dimensional environment and teach them how to create the frequency they need to create to do what they do.

I think if they find the frequency that you're on, they can mind speak to you too.

That is just amazing.

And I know our audience is probably going to write and say, you say this way too much.

But we have noticed that within the last, I say six months or so, when we talk to people at any, I mean, from ghost to...

No matter what you're talking about.

Right.

To UFOs, doesn't matter.

One word consistently comes up.

Frequency.

It is just, it's amazing, you know, for someone like, you know, I guess someone who's not plugged into paranormal daily life, for lack of better words, like we are, you know, it's amazing that they don't realize it, how much frequency comes into play.

It's just...

Well, it's not talked about, that's why.

It's everything.

It's energy, frequency, vibration.

Everything is energy.

It's the most minute level of existence.

Everything is.

If you find the frequency, if you can find the frequency of that energy, you can change its matter.

Because it's vibrating all the time, energy, frequency, vibration.

So that's how miracles, I think, are done.

That's what, you know, you can find the frequency of any part of you, you can change its matter.

And that's a fact.

But people don't understand that, they just don't dig deep enough into how things really work.

That's according to Dr.

Christopher Breyer, West Texas A&M.

Like I said before, everything, like he says, everything from the atom through the cosmos works on the laws of quantum physics.

But it has to ride on the back of our third dimensional density, which is Newtonian physics.

Newtonian physics is from 1687, as we know, Isaac Newton.

We all live by those material, physical, measurable, predictable rules.

But that's not true.

Not everything is not that way.

I asked one time even when I was a boy, how far is it to the universe?

You know, I think that's when I got kicked out of the club, because no one can answer that, you know.

But if everything is measurable, come on, somebody tell me how far it is.

And what's on the other side of it, anyway.

It's all fun, but it's all, it's got to open your mind, like I say, it's got to open your mind.

Very relative.

Yeah.

Well, that catches them right there.

Yeah, it does.

It really truly does, you know.

It gives you the idea, it lets you know that you have to conceive it, because you'll never know it.

And while you're in this density, you will never know it.

But you have to conceive it, it's like that.

It's like, well, like Tessa said, well, one man calls God, another one calls the laws of physics.

So they're on the same level, the same plane.

Religious people say it's God, they're called God, God.

But physicists would just call it changing forms.

That's all you do in this embodiment, because we have two parts to our embodiment.

One's physical, which your brain takes care of, hopefully.

The other one's the ethereal part, which is your soul, your spirit, your consciousness.

It goes on, it can't die.

That energy can't die.

There we are, we're energy, so we can't die.

And that's very comforting to these people that lose a loved one or something.

You realize that they're not dead, they just left this body, which is all going to happen to us.

It's going to happen.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I think even Einstein famously said that, I think even he somewhat believed in ghosts, because that same theory of energy doesn't, you don't lose energy, energy continues.

So yeah, I mean, it's just fantastic.

He said, science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

Wow.

And then you got...

I got some other good ones here.

Edgar Mitchell said that it takes classical and quantum sciences together to have clear perception.

That's a good one.

You have to use both.

That's what I try to tell people in these conventions I speak at, is you can't just limit yourself to the one rule that you've been brainwashed with.

We've all been brainwashed.

Seriously, from the time of birth, we've all been conditioned to accept certain things.

This is true, this is not true, da-da-da-da-da.

And that's where your brain is, so you've got to get out of that a little bit to understand there's more going on, more dimensions.

So are they interdimensional?

Some of them might be, some of them might not be, depends on how much they've been diluted down.

I like this one here.

Because I think they're cross-bred with indigenous people, and Native American has that a lot.

And I think the Patterson film represents one like that because you look at the Patterson track, it's very human-like, very human-like.

It's got the arch in it, it's got the five toes slanted.

Our tracks were not like that.

They were splayed, they were five big toes up there, and we saw them fairly regularly, and cast them and all that stuff.

But they're not like the Patterson track.

I just think that some of them have been here longer than others.

Some of them have not diluted down, they've not cross-spread.

Anyway, I think there's an alien component here that's got to be suggested right now.

The UFOs, the aliens are still here, they're coming back and forth all the time, but that's called for what it is, a cloak.

They get out of the physical into the energy.

You know, it begs the question, you know, in Camp Sierra, or Sierra Camp, I should say, I got Yoda on myself all of a sudden, if this is going on there where you're seeing potentially interdimensional travel, if they did or if they didn't, what else did you find?

Was there other paranormal phenomenon that was going on up there as well?

Oh yeah, that's what got me into it, because we couldn't explain things, not just the Bigfoot, but the thing.

I saw a UFO up there once, and it was just a big blue ball, like a small moon coming down during the night.

It was also behind the trees.

This is all when the Bigfoot stuff was going on.

Other things happened too.

You hear a big whirling sound too in the daytime, and you're trying to find the source of it, because what can do that up there?

Unless it's a helicopter.

I didn't see nothing like that.

I didn't see anything.

There's something making that noise.

Just one time, we were inside the shelter, and we thought our camp was being tore apart.

I talked about this quite a bit in my first book.

And we thought the stuff we'd hauled in on our horses and mules and stacked there so we were putting these barrels so that we wouldn't have to carry so much when we walked in next time.

And we thought it was just being ripped away.

And we look out later when everything's stopped and nothing's changed.

Where do you put that?

How do you explain that?

When I was up there in 2016, we watched this light tube, probably three or four foot long.

It wasn't shooting out a lot of light.

It was just going, working its way through the trees.

And it was definitely controlled.

We watched it for several seconds, probably close to a minute, through our top of our tent, because it was open.

But I had David Pallades recreate that, up there in the missing, the hunted, missing 411, the hunted, a DVD that you can get now for free, I think, online.

And he does a really good recreation of that.

I got about 15 minutes where he interviewed me at the camp and I showed his videographer how that light moved and all that, and they did it just right.

So, it was just anomalies.

The time you think you heard horses running around, no, it ain't happened.

That's interesting.

There has to be an answer.

There has to be an answer to anything.

UFOs with Bigfoot are constantly seen in the same area.

It's certainly not the first time we've heard that.

I've interviewed people that saw them both at the same time.

Sure.

And also, you got the 1888 article in Eureka Times, I think it was, Huffington Post reported this in 2012, where a small, this was supposed to be the first written report of a UFO, a rancher in some Native American saw this moon come down and three crazy bears jumped out of it.

Yeah, that's a new one.

That just blew my mind a little bit on that.

Yeah.

Well, you know, what I find interesting is that, again, I go back to, you know, a lot of misconceptions, I think, of the being being, the being being, of Bigfoot being, you know, more rudimentary, more, I guess, not as, I don't know, I guess, as intelligent.

I hate to use that word.

But what I find interesting is that if these UFOs are certainly there at the same time, and, you know, the cooperation of the two at the same time, to me, I feel like either, A, they are potentially alien, or B, those visitors know a heck of a lot more about these creatures than we certainly do.

So what information are they able to get from them?

Yeah.

What, the aliens?

What information are they getting?

I think they created them, number one.

Right.

And I agree with that.

They're checking in on them.

Yeah.

I was going to say something, too.

I lost my thought.

Happens to me all the time.

I was going to say, I got a good memory.

It's just not as long as it used to be.

It's just not as long.

So, I guess, kind of going back to the vocalizations, you know, it's, you know, you see a lot of, you know, video or, you know, I guess, corroborated video things, but vocalizations isn't always something that you get to hear.

Do you notice that there's a difference between, you know, you kind of mentioned that you think there's different species.

Do you think that they also have different ways of vocalizing?

I mean, obviously, if you just look at it from a human perspective, everybody, you know, not everybody speaks the same language.

So why then would you think that this creature could do the same?

So I guess my question is, do they have different languages?

Well, if they have a language at all, not all of them do, I don't think.

Okay.

Depending on what attribute was given to them during their manipulation of the dino.

But yeah, everything communicates.

Birds, dolphins, whales, everything communicates.

But only humans communicate with language like we have.

And these Bigfoot creatures that we encountered up there also do that.

So that's a hard one for some people to understand, but to swallow, really.

To get into it, and it's really interesting because it's brought me into how things really work and how important we are as humans because you wonder why they don't interfere with us more.

They do because they have free choices, just like aliens have free choices.

And how come they don't interfere more?

Well, they're not supposed to.

Like the Prime Director in Star Trek.

They're not supposed to interfere with our karma.

What we're supposed to experience on this planet, that's why we're here, for the experience.

And if you learn how to respond properly to the experience, you're going to graduate.

And your frequency is going to go up.

You're just going to get out of this three dimensional jungle that we're in.

And if you don't, you're going to have to learn it somewhere, some time and some place.

That's why I didn't used to believe this way, but I do now.

I believe in multiple embodiments.

These people that die with, they never learned how love and compassion works.

They've got to learn that because the universe is God and that's love.

And we've got to learn that in this lifetime or in some lifetime, this planet or another third dimensional planet somewhere.

Because third dimension means you've got to go through linear time like we're going through now, thinking there's a tomorrow, believing there was a yesterday.

But you really look at it, there's nothing but the now.

Because tomorrow don't exist and yesterday don't exist anymore.

So nothing exists except for now.

So you want to make the most of the now every chance you get and respond properly to the experiences that you could lay down in this life.

And those choices are, they say, what we chose to have so that we could expand, have the chance to anyway.

But I think it's all connected to the pineal gland.

We have it inside of our brain, right in the middle of it, a pineal gland.

And that gland connects to the heart, which gives it a sensation of healing.

Because that's the information from the universe, in my opinion, how we receive it.

It's the third eye of Horus, you know, the Egyptian's pictograph and all that stuff.

That connects to the heart, which, by the way, has a brain.

Been determined that they have the brain.

The heart has a brain.

And it has to communicate with this.

And it does, all the time.

You get this gut feeling.

Well, I should go over there and help Mrs.

Jones.

Well, no, over here, I can make a couple thousand dollars with just an hour.

So your brain analyzes this.

Well, I'm gonna make a thousand dollars.

Hello, Mrs.

Jones.

Are you listening, Mrs.

Jones?

But anyway, Mrs.

Jones needed help, and that's what your heart said to do.

But you have to get those in coherence with each other.

Although all three of those elements have to combine.

You have to learn to listen.

You do it through meditation.

Line up your chakras.

You get the meditation going that frees your heart up into hearing, and it's gonna hear everything that comes through.

That's what it's for, to give you that feeling of emotion and what you can, like I say, learn how to work those together so the rhythm is right, and you can listen to your heart, and go by your heart, your gut instinct.

I believe that wholly myself.

If you can do that, then you're gonna be better, because we all have to raise up out of this third dimensional, this third density environment that we're in.

And I think we're doomed, or not doomed, but we're headed for the fifth or sixth dimension.

And I think, really, I go over that in my book, Two Dimensions, and I think the sixth dimension is the sixth part of Tesla's manifestation code, and the Anunnaki's who were made in the image of, and there's good Anunnaki too, by the way, they're not all bad, they weren't all bad, just the ones who changed their density and decided to come down to earth and join this race, because so many want to experience this.

It's really an ultimate place to be.

So we have the chance to get higher.

But think about the Anunnaki and what they were.

They were powerful beings from the sky, right?

They were changing things, they were manipulating genome, they were creating things that give mankind a real kick in the butt in order to get going.

And we're made in that image of what they were, and not necessarily their agendas, but we are a warring species, don't get me wrong.

We are a warring species.

But that means they're nine dimensional beings.

So you gotta go through the third dimension, respond properly, they'll take you to the sixth dimension, where you're a creator, and then that will get you into the ninth dimension, and once you graduate from that, that's a three, that's my opinion.

Of course, that's just, that came to me.

I don't know if anyone else thinks that way or not, but I see all these mathematical geniuses trying to figure out this 369 code of Tesla, you know, a manifestation code.

And I think it's simple.

But however, every one of those I've listened to correlate with what I'm saying on the third, sixth and ninth dimension.

Yeah.

That's interesting.

It's definitely, you know, the dimensions, you know, that's definitely not the first time we've heard that either.

What I find interesting is that not only dimension, but time as well.

You know, we talked to like Mike Ricksecker and we talked a little bit about how stack time might work.

So yeah, you're right.

There's so many different, there's so many different things that you can look at and review.

The second you lose that siloed thinking, you know, and drop that, drop that curtain a little bit, you know, you can actually see what you're talking about, you know.

So, you know, hopefully with, you know, it feels like, and this isn't just with, with cryptids, but also with ghosts and with UFOs and pretty much every facet of the paranormal, that either A, it's building to kind of a crescendo, or we're just opening our eyes a little bit more, or maybe both.

I'm not entirely sure.

Both, I think it's both.

Yeah, I agree.

Yeah, I think it's both.

We're being enlightened now, because we've got the age of Aquarius coming in, we've got all this stuff opening up to us.

I think that's what the line calendar was all about in 2012, was opening up another thing for us, because we're all learning.

I'm about to sneeze, so if I turn my head a minute, you know.

By all means, yeah, do it.

Definitely, but I'll ask a question while you do it.

We're multifaceted here.

But go ahead, yeah.

So we talked to Miguel from Sasquatch Theory, and we were talking about different signs in the forest that he looks for.

And he's talking about like the crossed branches, right?

Didn't he?

At certain angles is typically what they look for.

Did you guys find anything like that up there at the...

Truthfully, we weren't looking for it.

Okay.

It might have been there.

A lot of things may have been around that we just weren't looking for.

We just weren't looking for it.

I mean, that makes perfect sense.

It's just not unusual, though, for that to happen.

And it's not unusual for even the Native Americans a long time ago, they would leave stick signs showing which way to go if somebody's following them, you know, another member or something.

So I don't think there's anything wrong with that idea.

It's just we didn't look for that.

And native, natural snow and weather will create things too that a lot of people will want to put in that category.

But then you've got the structures that you don't know.

If a Boy Scouts made a teepee or a honey blind, or if Bigfoot did it for a baby's nest or something.

You don't know.

Like my friend Peter Byrne used to say, if you don't see what made it, you won't know what made it.

You can only guess and theorize unless you see some other evidence around there that will tell you that, like hair samples or something like that.

Anyway, it's interesting how many people, every time they see something by nature, nature can do a lot of things with snow loads, wind and all that stuff.

They want to attribute to, because they're hungry for information.

I went into Portlock, Alaska, a couple years ago with the Discovery Channel.

They were filming up there with this Portlock villagers wanting to re-abituate their site, because they got ran off, the whole village got ran out of there in the late 1940s.

And because a lot of the members were being mutilated and killed by what they call a Sasquatch looking, they didn't call it that, they named it something else, a creature.

They wanted to know if it was safe to go back in there and re-abituate it, because the fishing was good, everything was good.

And they wanted me to tell them, can you imagine, I got no pressure on me at all.

Yeah, right, go ahead.

Talk about putting me on the spot.

If you don't come out, we'll know what happened.

But anyway, I was up there a few days with them, and it was exciting, it was fun, and I do think they have something up there.

But when I was taken in by heliculture out of Homer, Alaska, circled the area quite a bit, and I see where years ago, many years ago, they had timbered it, clear-cut it, a lot of it.

I mean, just you can see the growth, the older growth above that.

And what I read, too, they were also mining the area.

And the pictures I saw, they were overfishing it.

I mean, they were carrying a lot of fish in.

And I think they were overfishing it and just not respecting the area.

And I said, you know, really, the way you make friends with these things is with respect.

They're not just some animal out there waiting to kill you.

I'm sure if they were cutting all those trees, and by the way, I've got a whole chapter on trees.

The trees are very important to these things.

More reports around for people who are cutting, clear cutting especially, that people are seeing these things.

And I put all that together.

I've talked to so many people, well, we're just bucking along, we're just cutting this.

And anyway, Native American law, let me say this one little thing, says that they live in two worlds.

Well, what does that mean?

In our frequency and outside our frequency.

And they also live in trees.

And I've heard a lot of people say they saw them come out of a tree and go into a tree.

And I've had a lot of them say, well, they come off behind this tree, then you find out the tree is only two foot of diameter, you know, four foot shoulders on the thing.

So you got to wonder if they're not manipulating their energy into a tree for, or their battery into a tree for...

Could be.

Sure.

They do take your batteries out when you're up there.

They didn't take ours out, but they took Scott Nelson, he's a cryptolingus, who went up there with a pocketful, a worn pocketful sack full of batteries, and they're all dead.

Wow.

Yeah.

Just with like, they do the same thing to manifest themselves, to gain that, yeah, that makes sense.

That's just wild.

It does make sense.

You know.

But I love that they're protecting the land, that kind of.

Yeah.

I think that's very important.

I think they've got to respect the property, and I think we all do.

That'll help us.

That'll help us.

Well, I've heard stories about the natives.

At least in Oklahoma would leave gifts for them, like, under the crossed trees.

They would leave them gifts to stay, basically, like, here's this.

Don't come attack us and kill us.

But they would leave them things all the time, at least the tribes in Oklahoma.

They gifted us up there in Sierra Cap.

Oh, okay.

Oh, really?

What did they give you?

We had this old bucket up there that we took in to let the horses have water, so we didn't have to take them all to the creek.

And feed them grain and stuff like that.

And we would fill that up with pine cones so we could start a fire.

And we did that just about every day because we could start a fire that night.

We had a stove, we had a stove.

And one day we went out for a walk.

Of course, all the pine cones were out of that.

We came back and it was full of pine cones.

Really?

Wow.

And the biggest one, though, was 1974, the night I saw one.

I was interacting with them via my second CD.

I saw a big track on the trail going in.

I was the head horse.

I would always look to see if anybody else had been up there.

Of course, you get so far and there's no trail, you just have to know how to go.

And so that was encouraging, because we were okay, we were around.

That's a definite track.

Because earlier on that trail, our horses got really spooked from something, but we didn't think anything of it until later on.

Because it could have been a bear, it could have been a deer, it could have been anything, jumping out of a bush or something.

Plus, I got a 52-inch rattlesnake there one time.

I got a hat band out of it.

That's a big snake.

I got the hat band out.

Oh, there you go.

Not this one, but a different hat.

I had to chase that alligator down a long way for that.

No, but when we got into camp, they had already gotten there.

We didn't know that at the time, but Bill started taking care of the horses and mules, and I started getting a fire going, and all of a sudden we heard these cracking, rocks cracking in different rhythmic sequences.

Then you start hearing the whoops, and we learned from the years before, don't react to that stuff, because if you start shining a flashlight out there or something, they're going to be gone.

So just leave it alone.

Keep doing what you're doing.

If they don't think they've got your attention, they're coming closer.

And they did.

And that's when they started chattering, asking me things.

That's when I recorded the samurai cry.

I went over and got my cassette recorder out of my saddle bag and turned it on.

And got some pretty good vocalizations.

And they were interacting with me, absolutely, with questions.

I have no idea what they were saying.

In fact, I didn't realize anything about language at that time.

So I was trying to mimic what they were doing, and I think they thought that was funny.

They will toy with you, by the way.

I think they teach their young ones how to mess around with humans, because they think that we think we're smarter than them.

And we do.

That doesn't surprise me at all.

Oh, we do think that.

I've got to tell you, they've been here longer than homo sapiens, most of them, I think.

And I think we have a lot we can learn, if we can ever learn to really get close to them.

But they're not supposed to interfere again with our karma, what we're supposed to respond to.

But they do, some of them.

And I think they felt safe with the environment we had for them, because we weren't shooting at them.

They actually moved our deer when we were out hunting.

We'd skin the deer and hang it up behind the shelter on a cable.

And you could go back there and see where they moved the deer, find the big tracks underneath the deer.

But they never took it.

They only took food we left out for them.

So they had respect for us in that regard, I think.

That's fascinating.

I respect them.

Yeah, that's so cool.

It's amazing.

Oh, let me finish that right quick.

Yeah, please.

The next morning when we came out of the shelter, how we knew they were there when we got there, is I looked to the right of the shelter door, which is a big log between these two big trees.

Moved to the side and there's a big track right there, to the right of the shelter.

And the track had Bill's dust cover from his rifle in it.

And it wasn't mashed down, it was tilted up on the track.

So the track had been made before we got there.

And then you look up on the roof of the shelter, and there's two fresh alder brushes up there, which was put there.

That's a gift.

Because we had redone the shelter's roof that summer, and there was old alder up there, but it was all dried up.

We had the two fresh ones up there, which was twisted off.

They were that big around, twisted off the spring.

We couldn't have, no human could have done that.

And bears don't do that.

Wow.

Anyway, that's that story.

That's awesome.

Ron, you know, I can't lie to you.

It just blows my mind everything that you shared with us today.

Honestly, a lot of the stuff we talked about, I've heard a little bit before, but just the experience that you guys have had and, you know, with Camp Sierra and or Sierra Camp, there I go again.

That's okay.

I turned backwards.

Do I though?

I'm not sure.

But anyway, I know that our audience is probably going to want to know.

Or want to hear those sounds.

Want to hear those sounds and want to know more about, you know, the things that you discovered and things that, well, that you wrote about.

So, yeah, if you could tell us about where they can find you, you know, how they can get to your book.

And you also did a documentary, I believe, right?

Actually, they're working on a documentary right now.

It's not released yet.

Hopefully by the end of the year it will be.

In fact, I'm going to go up to New Jersey this weekend for a conference.

And after that, I'm going to go to California.

They want to do some more filming there.

Wrap it up.

Oh, great.

But anyway, my website, ronmorehead.com, all one O M O R E H A D.

And no space between the Ron.

Anyway, that's my website.com.

And that's where everything is available.

And it comes through Amazon.

You can find it on Amazon, but I'd rather you go to my site, because that way I know we got it.

But you can download from my site.

You can't do that with Amazon.

You can download these things.

Less money, too.

None of them are expensive, but you can download either one of my CDs, which I produced, which was narrated by Jonathan Frakes from Star Trek Next Generation.

And about 40 minutes long, it has Alberti's account.

He wrote a story, and I produced it.

And Jonathan Frakes narrates it.

Then the second one I narrate, and it's by 1974, or it's my chronicle is what it is.

It's a whole ball of wax of what we went through, what I've done, and just for 40 years anyway, 50 years into it now, 52 years into it.

Wow, what a legacy.

No kidding, it's amazing.

Well, it's been a fun journey.

Yeah, I don't doubt that for a second.

You know, that is just, well said.

Again, I think that we could probably have you on here for the next eight hours.

It's amazing, but yeah, thank you so much for taking time tonight and kind of sharing this legacy, like Nicole said, about what you've been through.

And I highly urge our audience to reach out to you, because wow, just amazing.

Yeah, they can reach me through my website.

Okay, perfect.

I got other information on there, too.

Okay, great, great.

Yeah, I think that's great.

Yeah, thank you so much.

You know, Ron, it was an honor to have you.

It's been my honor.

I just love that I talk about this, because I think it might lead people into realizing who and how important you are as a human being made for dominion on this planet.

And that's what we're here for, is experiencing, no matter what, don't be a victim on anything.

If you think you're a victim, you're going to go backwards in frequency.

And you don't want to do that.

You want to raise your frequency and make the most out of everything.

One of my grandsons, he told me, he said, oh, we lost the bill of the ball game tonight.

I said, you didn't lose.

He said, well, they won.

I said, yeah, and you won too, because you learned something, didn't you?

You either win or you learn, you know?

But no such thing as losing at anything.

So I try to teach.

Perfect advice.

Absolutely perfect.

And I can't think of any other better way to end it than that.

So, Ron, thank you once again.

It's been my honor being with you guys.

It's been a pleasure.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

And we'll let you go and you have a great night.

Thank you.

Once again, I thank Ron for coming.

Just, wow.

The whole talking to them, like interacting with them, and them leaving gifts.

And I love that aspect of it, because that's the first time I've actually really heard that.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's amazing.

You know, you would, I mean, it makes sense.

You know?

It does.

It does.

And that's the part that always gets me.

You know, we have these guests on, and you always think, well, you know, there's gotta be this paranormal deep thing that goes on, but then you break it down, it's a sentient being, you know, and leaving gifts makes sense.

It does.

Well, and you know, when we talked to Simeon, he was talking about how the Native Americans said that they used to trade with them in what was Alaska.

Right.

And then he, Ron, was talking about, you know, where he thinks possibly there was like interbreeding, which I don't know about that, but when you think about that and you think about the natives, they're always protectors of the land.

Yeah.

They, you know, at least back then, they would give a gift still probably, you know, to, what am I trying to say here?

Give a gift to...

For a sense of community.

You know what I mean?

Like give a gift, an offering, to welcome you, and then you take care of each other, right?

Right.

At least the way the movies like to depict it, but we know because we've been around, you know, they're very giving, they're very, they take care of the land and the water, and if they are, they've learned from the natives or if they've, you know, in the past or whatever the sense may be, that's a way I kind of like see it.

For sure.

It does make sense.

I think it does.

And I love that part of it.

I mean, all of it's very just captivating, but tell us what you guys think.

I mean, you know, this show is just as much yours as it is ours, and we're really interested in your opinion.

Yeah, I think.

I will say that first sound on his website, the chattering one, the one that goes up and down, the one that's like really chattering, reminded me of Signs.

You remember the movie Signs with Mel Gibson?

Oh, yeah.

Where the thing's like clicking.

You know what I mean?

That's what it sounded like to me, and I was like, hmm, I wonder if he's going to talk about aliens.

There it is, yeah.

So that's interesting, of course, that's just a movie.

Well, still, but some movies are based on some theories.

Right.

But that's what it reminded me of.

Yeah, I mean, Signs, great movie.

Scary at times, but anyway.

But listen, guys, thank you so much.

We had a blast.

I forgot about that.

All right, guys, we had a great time.

Thank you so much for being with us tonight, and we'll see you next week.

See you next week.

Bye.