Alien Encounters & Hypnotherapy with Lesley Mitchell-Clarke

Step into the extraordinary with Generation X Paranormal as we sit down with the renowned hypnotherapist and extraterrestrial contact specialist, Lesley Mitchell-Clarke. In this captivating interview, Lesley unveils her groundbreaking work with individuals who have experienced alien encounters, delving deep into the mysteries of contact, regression therapy, and the mind's connection to the unknown. 

This episode takes you on a journey beyond the veil of the ordinary, offering exclusive insights that will leave you questioning the boundaries of reality. Don't miss this mind-expanding conversation that challenges everything you thought you knew about the universe!

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This week, on Generation X Paranormal.

The abduction phenomena, I don't often use the word abduction because that does imply a certain amount of negativity, and I can tell you that most experiences that people have, I mean, upwards of 75, 80% are benign or wonderful.

It's only a very small percentage, maybe 30%, that can have negative connotations, and most of those types of experiences have occurred in some of the more disreputable programs perpetuated by the United States and the Black Ops program.

Well, hey, everybody, welcome back.

Hey, everyone.

We're Generation X Paranormal.

I'm Logan.

And I'm Nicole.

So, we've got an amazing episode, as I always say.

I'm excited about it.

We typically have regression therapists, hypnotherapists, and things like that for past life.

And we've done that a couple of times.

But all of them have been fabulous.

But we haven't really talked to anyone just yet about UFO.

Mm-hmm, experience.

Yeah, experiencers, UFO, alien experiencers.

So, that's who we have today.

We have Lesley Mitchell-Clarke.

Anne, can you tell us a little bit about Lesley?

Sure.

Lesley Mitchell-Clarke is a Toronto-based, certified clinical hypnotherapist who specializes in a number of modalities, including working with individuals who feel that they have had experiences with extraterrestrial beings.

Most of this fascinating work, as well as metaphysical therapies, such as past life and inner life regression, takes place at Lesley's Toronto Hypnosis Clinic, Lightwork Hypnosis.

She also has a book called Intersection, A True Story of Extraterrestrial Contact.

Awesome.

That would be great to talk to her about.

Let's talk to Lesley.

Let's talk to her.

Well, hey, Lesley, how are you doing?

I am just doing great, guys.

I just want to thank you for asking me to fall by through the ethers today.

No problem at all.

I'm really looking forward to chatting with you and jumping down the old rabbit hole as much as possible.

Yeah, that's what we love to do.

Yeah, we are too.

Welcome to Generation X Paranormal.

We always typically look at the guests that we're going to have and go, we're very excited to talk because we really are.

We talk to everybody.

But the last few, I should say maybe the only, and we'll get into more of the logistics and everything that you do, but hypnotherapy that the folks we've spoken to mainly focus on like past life regression and things like that.

I've been really itching to talk to somebody that focuses on a passion of mine.

Wonderful.

Yeah.

Well, I've got to tell you that it wasn't an instantaneous thing that I did from the very beginning.

I've been a hypnotherapist for around 20 years now or so, and I had to get certain certifications, particularly the ones that helped me develop my protocols for the certifications in both past life and interlife regression.

So I do that.

I did a lot of it.

I still do it.

But I guess in differentiating my work with experiencers, I didn't reinvent the wheel.

But what I did do is I adapted pride and true regression techniques from particularly past life regression.

Because we are going into a spiritual realm, and sometimes we are working to dissolve any kind of memory blocks, whether they're self-imposed or not.

And so I just adapted the Newtonian, Michael Newton is really the contemporary founder of the way we do regression processes and particularly metaphysical regression.

So it's all based on stuff that I know works.

Sure.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's perfect.

I think that like past life regression, it's always desirable if we can get the individual into a very deep relaxing space.

It's not always necessary, but I think it provides a better experience for the client.

And after all, at the bottom of everything, I consider myself a healer.

And I'm here, really, to help these dear people integrate their instance of high strangeness into their current third density lifetimes.

That's really the trick of it.

It's not that the things happened.

It's how do you accept them and how do you integrate them?

Because I've got to tell you, they generally do not stop.

And most people that are experiencers are lifelong experiencers.

So, the individual has to find a way to move ahead in their uniqueness, I should say.

These are special people who are privileged to have these relationships.

And they do, generally speaking, tend to be deep relationships with individuals who are, they could, some of them, I believe, are interdimensional.

Some of them, I think, are even super dimensional.

So, it's, there's a wide, the universe is filled with life.

And, you know, it's, it's almost amusing that so many people on this planet are, are, it's like they're looking through a toilet paper tube.

You know, the blinders are on.

But, but I'm telling you, the, the, the abduction phenomena, I don't often use the word abduction because that does imply, you know, a certain amount of negativity.

And I can tell you that most experiences that people have, I mean, upwards of 75, 80% are benign or wonderful.

Right.

It's only a very small percentage, maybe 30% that can have negative connotations.

And most of those types of experiences have occurred in some of the more disreputable programs perpetuated by the United States and the Black Ops programs.

And there are certain programs that are quite toxic.

And the worst things I've ever heard have been from situations like that.

Right.

So most encounters are benign and loving.

And I think if you were to ask me what is the commonality, in other words, why are these people, specific people, being taken?

And they're diverse.

This experience knows no ethnicity, no religion, no social status.

Nothing of that kind seems to be in the picture, and sometimes not even education, which might be surprising.

But I tell you, what all these individuals seem to have is very high PSI ability.

They have psychic abilities, and generally the experiencers that I work with have also had other types of paranormal experiences, perhaps with discarnate spirits or ghosts, if you will, or telekinesis or some other kind of thing.

So these are people who were born with a skill.

And I just think, really, maybe it's a question, since many advanced races are telepathic, maybe it's just easier if they work with humans who can already sort of do it.

It's kind of like, you know, think about Jane Goodall, you know, in Africa during her research, and she comes across a species of simian that has started to develop more of a humanoid esophagus, and it can actually form words.

Now, wouldn't you spend most of your effort working with those beings who were on the cusp of communication?

Right.

Then, you know, I think it might be something like that.

That's very profound.

I would venture to say that's pretty accurate.

At least that would be my assumption.

It's a path of least resistance.

They've already got, you know, they've already got a lot to do.

Right.

Yeah.

Yes.

And there are there are individuals that I work with who, it's almost like they have double lives.

In other words, we have found, not just myself, but a few of us that work in this area, have found that around midlife, experiencers seem to have less physical experiences.

I mean, by that, where they're, you know, floated out of the roof or through the window, or, you know, or just walked outside in the middle of the field.

They seem to have less of those, and the experiences begin to be predominantly about astral projection.

So this is another thing that is very important in a form of communication and interaction with species who are just a little bit more further down the pike than we are.

So, and I can absolutely see that.

I mean, space travel, I think, even if there are, which I believe there are portals and corridors, even if there are those things, I think it's pretty rigorous.

And there are, from what I have heard, there are whole species that are explorers that don't ever physically leave their planet.

They project themselves in a kind of a holographic way that is so real that it is virtually the same as them being there.

So that seems to be what's happening.

So many of the people I work with after they get to midlife or a certain age, they have a sort, they have like a job.

They collaborate with other beings and they are often much more brilliant when they're outside of their body, so to speak, when they're projecting their etheric body than they are inside.

So this idea of intelligence, we all have phenomenal intelligence once we get out of the meat suit, apparently.

Right.

That's so awesome.

I'm hoping.

There's so much there that I want to impact because it's just...

Okay.

I definitely have a lot of my personal beliefs and thoughts, and I know Nicole does too.

But before we jump too far down that rabbit hole, you're an awfully fascinating person with such an amazing background.

Can you give our audience the 30,000 foot view of what got you here?

Because for our audience, they may not know, but there's a lot more to what you do, not just with UFOs and things like that.

I know there's some musical stuff going on or had in the past.

So yeah, if you could let them know.

Well, I'm from a show business family, if you will.

I was raised in New York and Los Angeles, and my father was not only a very busy and well-known bass player.

In fact, he's the bass player on the record Stand By Me.

That's my dad, Whitey Mitchell, and when I was still very young, he went on to become a producer and Emmy-winning writer for a whole lot of television shows that you probably remember from your childhood, All in the Family, The New Times, The Jeffersons.

He created work in Mindy for Robin Williams.

He has Emmys for Mary Tyler Moore.

He wrote MASH and I mean, on and on and on.

I grew up in that show business environment.

We're all in the business in some respect.

Sure.

I began and I still am an actor and a singer, and I still do acting work when anybody asks me, and I sing regularly.

I'm mostly interested in jazz, and I work in some nice little clubs, so I do all that.

I also had, when my kids were growing up, I had a long career and it was pretty long in public relations, specifically in the jazz area.

So I worked for all the major record labels, and I handled at one time all of Warner Brothers Jazz along with my colleagues.

So I was getting so disgusted with that kind of work, the PR work, and we were on the dawn of an even more hideous time in the sense of mediocrity.

The era of the Kim Kardashians and all those that I just said, oh my God, I just don't even want to be involved in any kind of PR anymore.

And then I thought also, it's so counterproductive because when you have a client, you blow up their ego for three months or however long the deal is, and then that's it.

And the poor person is generally just left in a depression.

Because, you know, so I just, I couldn't handle it.

So I was, I guess I was having kind of a midlife crisis.

Now, luckily, I did not buy a red sports car and get my husband.

My husband would have been shocked.

What he did do, God bless him, is he said, you know, I just think you need, you know, some ideas, some direction.

I know something wonderful out there, you know, besides acting and singing.

I know it.

And so he sent me to have a past life regression.

And this was a very reputable lady, not the one who I ultimately became my mentor, but very good.

And what I took away from that experience was, of course, the profundity of a past life regression in itself, magnificent.

But what I really took away is I knew that I could do that kind of work.

I just knew it.

I knew it.

And whether it was a past life thing, because hypnosis is ancient, in the extreme, by recorded history, it's over 10,000 years old.

And if you accept that there were other, perhaps, evolved cultures on the earth, I think it's even older than that.

So whether I did it before, I don't know, but I knew I could do it.

And sure enough, as soon as I could, I got my basic certification.

And then I went on to get a number of other certifications, including pediatric hypnosis.

I work in that.

I work in addiction and dependence.

I work in pain management.

So I have some special things in which I've sort of focused and taken additional training.

So it's an ongoing process.

Right now, I'm going back to university soon, so that before too long, I'll be able to also be certified as a psychotherapist, which will mean that I have a far more open field of treatments and modalities that I can use.

Yeah, absolutely.

That's fantastic.

Yeah, thank you for sharing that.

I know a little bit about your background.

So I was like, you know, our audience really needs to know that.

And by the way, I know Toronto has a tremendous jazz scene.

So yeah.

They do, but it's all, it's kind of a minority niche music.

I think it always will be.

As Frank Zappa said, jazz isn't dead, it just smells funny.

The great late Frank Zappa.

I know.

I just had to lay that upon you.

That's awesome.

No, that's good.

In fact, I am one of the artistic directors of the Niagara Jazz Festival, which is a beautiful festival every year.

So that's cool.

There we go.

Yeah.

So all right, let's get into some stuff here.

When it, here's my biggest question.

So just, I guess, starting out of the gate.

How does an experiencer, because I would assume that there's maybe some experiencers out there that don't know that they've had experiences.

What happens in that sense?

I mean, obviously, they're not going to just, they're not going to seek you out because they don't necessarily know they've had one or it's regressed.

Are there some telltale signs or there are things that maybe, that are kind of commonality, like you mentioned, between the...

Oh, yeah.

There are a lot of, there can be a lot of telltale signs.

But one thing I will say, I don't believe that memory blocks, whether they were put upon us or however it happened, I don't believe that they can last forever.

In fact, they really can't last more than 20 years.

So, what I find happening is, a lot of people come to me in midlife because they are beginning to have breakthrough dreams, they're beginning to have recall of specific incidents.

So, that's how people usually come to me.

Now, also sometimes, and this is one of the very beautiful things about being on a program like yours, guys, is that people from far-flung areas may hear what I have to say, and it may resonate with them.

Then I am always open to taking a phone call and consulting, and even regression can be done on Zoom.

I do it all the time.

So, if someone wanted to pursue that route, but meanwhile, I like to be a ground zero for this type of information.

So, when people do reach out to me, I always get back to them.

It may take me a minute, but I always do.

So, some of the interesting things that happen to experiences that are, I suppose you would call them commonalities.

Generally speaking, they all have insomnia.

They all can't sleep.

Either they have a dreadful fear of sleeping because they fear that they might be taken, whether it's that or whether their sleep cycles have just been disrupted.

But generally, there's extreme sleep dysfunction.

Small marks on the body, particularly triangles or pyramid shapes, are very common.

I don't know why that is, but I think they have ways of doing little blood tests that don't involve going into a vein.

I think it's all about more sophisticated diagnostic stuff than we can even conceive of.

Okay.

But I don't think that if they're going to take a blood sample, they do it transdermally.

That may be what that is.

Sometimes there can be palpable implants.

Now, my feeling about implants is probably a little bit different than maybe some of your viewers or maybe even yourselves.

The common thought or every man thought about implants is that they're tracking devices of some sort.

Well, first of all, I will say that every brain, every humanoid, every living being actually has a unique brain signature.

We even understand this and can read them and perceive them.

So any sophisticated being is going to be able to find us wherever we are.

It's like tuning into a radio signal.

They don't need little gizmos to do that.

But what I think the little gizmos do is, and this is what a number of my clients that I work with have been told, they are really like step-up transformers.

They are of different designs, but the purpose is usually to enhance psychic ability.

Like training wheels.

I don't know if it's stimulating, they're stimulating the pineal gland.

I don't know if it's anything you could see happening.

I somehow doubt it.

But that is what I have been told through my clients.

The purpose of most of these implants is simply to stimulate and increase psychic ability that's already there.

So that is one way.

Now, who knows what goes on in some of these military combined ET gray programs?

Who knows?

They could be using implants for anything.

But luckily, yeah, go ahead.

Sorry, I was just going to say that's such a fascinating point because-

That's the first time I've heard that, yeah.

Yeah, and also, fill my drink.

It's just water, I promise.

I guess I would see that would be really archaic.

If you're, I guess if you're, for lack of better words, a visitor or a neighbor or whatever, however you want to put it.

If you have come to this planet, you've already shown your technology capabilities.

You've already passed anything that we are able to.

So why then would you take-

Well, yeah, that's true.

You're right.

That's still up for debate.

We do have like what is it called?

The TR3W, the large triangle.

That is a military transport to the lunar base and also to Mars base.

Have you seen some of the Mars photos?

I digress, but some of the photos that have been taken with the current Mars apparatus.

Not currently.

Yeah, I was watching it and there was a pyramidal structure.

It wasn't huge, but it was obviously some, I mean, they showed about three things that were like, wow, clearly not of a natural formation of anything that we know to be true.

So we'll have to look that up.

So we do have, we have a lot of reverse engineered stuff.

We have collaborations going with some of the grays.

You know, so there's, but you're right when you say that, you know, how do we know even what's going on?

How do we know that these are, how do we know that these crafts that we see aren't projected illusions?

How do we know?

Well, the fact is we don't, because there's so much different stuff going on.

I think that some of the stuff we see is made of light matter and it might be closer to what we would think of as hologram-like.

I think the crafts that are used by certain species have been built to respond to thought.

Some of the individuals that I've worked with have told me about being allowed to fly the craft for a short time, and that there are places where you put your hands, and it is the interface of some sophisticated nature, but all you have to do is think about what you want the craft to do, and it will respond that way.

That's awesome.

Yeah, that's amazing because we spoke with Preston Dennett.

One of the stories.

Yeah, one of the stories that he had in his recent book.

I mean, that's an exact experience that somebody had where they were able to fly the craft.

Well, and I've also heard stories of people being able to go outside and call them in just telepathically.

Oh, yeah.

Well, it is a telepathic situation, and if an individual has no fear and we shouldn't, if we are not fearful and we can project love and well-being, the beings can be attracted.

Stephen Greer does it all the time.

Dr.

Stephen Greer has events where all kinds of beings show up, and it's all based on his technique, which actually starts with some Vedic chanting and some other stuff too.

It's a little esoteric, but I don't think you have to do anything that fancy, frankly.

I think it's just a question of sending a message with your mind out there that you are ready to accept, and they don't usually give you more than you can handle.

I think that by and large, there is a great sensitivity about what is right for us and what we can accept.

There seem to be a number of species that have almost a paternal or maternal or fraternal feeling about us, because we are genetically related to a lot of beings, especially those from the Liren system, the Yael, the Anunnaki, the Lirans themselves, the Pleiadians.

We are, with some of these species, indistinguishable.

We do have, however it occurred, we do have genetic relationships with a number of beings in our quadrant of the galaxy, if you will.

But I want to tell you something interesting that a client told me, because I think it will spark some more interesting questions.

But I work with one gal, she's wonderful.

She said she actually wrote a book about her experiences and she was, I took her from a place of fear and just fear in every huge fear of falling asleep, fear of this, fear of that.

So she really took things in hand and was able to integrate her experiences.

So she was a lifelong experiencer.

And she told me that she had, there was one of the beings that came to take her on rides in the craft or little adventures.

She called Angie because she looked like an angel to her.

So this Angie became, I guess, almost like a friend.

She was, I think, she might have been assigned to my client somehow when you're working with children.

I've heard of this before, where there was one particular being who was there to make you comfortable and see that you're okay and blah, blah, blah.

So anyway, she was riding, riding, flying in a small, what I would like, a shuttlecraft with Angie.

And she said, can you, can you show me your planet?

I want to see where you live.

And what Angie said is she said, well, I can take you to the place where it is, but I'm afraid your eyes won't be able to perceive the matter because the matter is moving too quickly.

Interesting.

So the matter is moving too quickly.

Yeah.

So I think here we are talking about, I don't know if you would consider that an interdimensional idea, but certainly different, different levels of matter and beings occur.

And we just do not have the physical.

I think that's part of the reason why we don't see a lot of the crap that fly around.

Yeah.

Because we just can't perceive anything that fast.

Sure.

And that's the reality of it.

And when you're talking about light matter and matter that's vibrating very quickly, you're really talking about perhaps our idea of heaven or the afterlife, in which ET show up all the time, by the way.

Wow.

That's definitely got me a little tongue tied.

So, is it your belief then that, and we've spoken to a few other, we even actually spoke recently with someone who kind of talks about like anti-matter and things like that, propulsion and things like that.

I would imagine that the planet that this particular, that she went to, not able to see it.

That makes perfect sense because I think we can only see, especially like with different color waves and different, you know.

Spectrums.

Spectrums, right.

We can't see infrared light.

Exactly.

There's a lot we can't see, yeah.

That's absolutely fascinating.

It's just, I guess what always piques my interest is we always assume that we're gonna jump in some spaceship.

And just be able to go straight there.

Straight there, you know, as the crow flies.

I'm like, oh, well, here we are, you know.

And I don't know if it works that way.

It's not like that.

Right.

I think there is, I think there is or was a lot of life in our solar system.

And there was a catastrophe that ripped the atmosphere off of the moon and Mars at one point.

But from what I have heard from at least a couple of individuals who have been in the, you know, secret space program, I will call it, for lack of a better term.

On the moon, there are some grays.

There's a gray kind of outbase, but it's not that we're warring with them.

We have treaties with them.

We have treaties with, you know, hundreds of species, actually.

So, but on Mars, there are beings that are reptilian.

I'm not saying they were the original beings there, or that I think they cohabited with humanoids, but they are a pretty big presence.

And some of them, most of them, are sticking to agreements, and they're cool.

But there are some that are not.

And so there are always skirmishes going on on Mars to keep the reptilians at bay.

But I was told by several of the people that I work with in the Secret Space Program that we pretty much control comes into our solar system.

So I don't think that we need to be living with fear.

Right, that they're gonna come just annihilate us, like the movie show.

Yeah, no, we're doing too good a job of that ourselves.

Right.

And that's a big concern, because if we start blowing shit up, if we start using nukes, we are disrupting the fabric of spacetime.

We didn't know it's like the worst possible pollution that you could imagine.

It would affect many, many species.

So they're very, I know they have a hands-off policy.

We're supposed to do it ourselves, but you know that they have shut down nukes and silos.

They've shut them down all over the place.

They do it, and they will.

And they will continue to do it.

I'm actually okay with that.

Yeah, I'm totally okay with that.

As a previous military person, I'm okay with some of that being shut down.

I'm perfectly fine with that, because we're not very good at some stuff we're doing.

No.

I know those silos are old, all across the Midwest and across the do line.

And I read some very disturbing data on the condition of the silos that are housing these.

It's scary.

But 40 years or more maybe.

So, yeah.

Well, I think we could probably talk about that for the next.

Yeah, someone needs to definitely keep us in check.

So, kind of bringing it down a little bit too, and I'm ultra curious about when it comes to the hypnotherapy.

When someone comes to you, and I would imagine whether they know their experience or not, or wherever they are at that particular point.

Obviously, there could be some distress, like you've mentioned, a few of them come to you, so we get fright, things like that.

But also, there's gotta be some kind of amount of folk that come to you that are actually struggling with some mental-ish illnesses and things like that.

Oh, yes, oh yeah.

And this is a very tough aspect, because certainly not everybody who reaches out to me is an experiencer.

And many a times, these individuals are really in need of some real serious mental health care.

So what I do, and I should probably say in Canada, and it's probably true in parts of the US, but it's state by state, so I can't speak for it.

But in Canada, as a hypnotherapist, even a master hypnotherapist, I cannot legally work with anyone who has been diagnosed with a mental illness.

Now, by mental illness, I don't consider anxiety, depression, phobia.

I'm talking about borderline personality disorders, schizophrenia, psychosis, sociopathy, this kind of stuff.

And so I have to be very careful to make sure that someone is mentally healthy before I work with them.

So I always have a kind of an in-depth conference or chat before I ever agree to see anyone.

And usually by the time I'm done with it, I have a pretty good idea of what we're talking about.

Now, just because someone may have a mental health issue does not preclude the idea that they're also an experiencer.

That's very important to remember.

So the only thing I can do in my current circumstance is I have colleagues who are psychotherapists, psychologists and psychiatrists, and I have several of them that are open to the idea of experiencers.

So I will always refer one of these dear people on to a colleague.

If they're in such dire circumstances that they can't pay, that doesn't matter.

I'll make sure that they get seen by somebody who is qualified to figure out what's going on.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

I've always wondered that because, and you're right, they're not mutually exclusive.

You could still have an illness and still be an experiencer, but that'd be-

Oh, golly.

Well, and I would imagine that, let's say you're an experiencer and you know it, that could also cause a lot of anxiety, depression, things of that nature.

Well, yeah.

I mean, they're all suffering with anxiety disorders.

The people that come to me, they are all suffering with anxiety disorders and fears, and deep questions about their sanity.

I mean, you got to realize that as a hypnotherapist, I'm like the last chance Texaco of mental health.

Right.

Yeah.

Many times, these sane people have been through, you know, their medical doctor or psychiatrist or this or that, and have been told, well, I'm not sure why you're having these episodes, but there's nothing wrong with you mentally.

So this is the kind of thing that experiences will hear often.

And then they're just left in an even more confused state.

And then perhaps they have some breakthrough of memories.

And in fact, I have a policy, and I just got this from my friend Kathleen Marden, Kathy Marden.

Maybe you've had her on the show.

She's wonderful.

She's the niece of Betty Hill, of Barney and Jane Hill.

And she's an author of many fine books.

And she's just a lovely human being.

And also she's a practitioner in psychotherapy.

She told me that she doesn't regress anyone or see anyone for this issue, unless they have at least a partially recalled memory.

So that's her litmus test.

That's what she uses as a, and it's a good guideline.

It is good.

It really is.

If someone comes in with feelings and fears, and only, it's not that that's not significant or possible or relevant, but we have to have something to go after when we get into the regression.

You know what I mean?

And what we generally do is we take the individual to that place where there is the most consciously recalled memory first.

Yeah.

To be able to guide them.

That makes sense.

Makes a lot of sense.

Yeah.

So that makes me think about your clients there, and you're going through this, and you're walking them through arguably a very, it could have been a traumatic, may not necessarily, but it's going to be, it's definitely life-altering.

And you're working through these things.

Once they have, once they're no longer under hypnosis, and we've already gotten to that point where they either now know they've had an experience or that they've known either way, but now they've got the knowledge, do you find that even if it's somewhat frightening or if it's somewhat difficult to deal with, that it's a little bit alleviating for them because they're able to deal with it.

Right.

That's what I was thinking.

There's a lot of relief.

There's often a lot of relief.

Big relief to know that they're not insane, that they're talking to someone who does this and has heard it all before.

Right?

And so it can be extremely relieving.

Now also, there's a lot of aftercare involved and with also past life and interlife regression as well.

A lot of aftercare.

So I make sure when that person leaves my office, that they're feeling good, that they're unafraid.

I sometimes give them materials with which to write about.

Because very frequently, people will get, once we start digging around in there, people get even more details than they recounted to me.

So I give them materials to do some inspired drawings.

And I have to say, it is a very, usually, a very life-affirming, comforting type of thing.

Plus, you know, just going through the hypnosis practice, going through the experience of it is very pleasurable.

Most people have never been that relaxed in their life.

And that wonderful feeling lasts for quite some time after the session.

So I am able, even if these people come to me like a ball of anxiety, I am usually able to unfurl them and get them feeling good and positive.

And also sleep is a big thing.

I usually give them a lot of sleep suggestions for the things that they go through in their life so they can start resuming getting sleep.

And once they're not afraid, usually the sleep does come.

But I just got to mention one thing, it's kind of funny.

One of my clients who was, is a college professor.

He was one of these people that I told you about where he has kind of another life or he works on a big mothership in some aspect of training children or something.

Anyway, so he was just exhausted.

He never got any sleep.

It wasn't that he was afraid to sleep.

It's that they had him working all night and like seven nights a week.

And he never got any sleep.

So I said, well, why don't we do this?

I bet that they don't really understand our need for sleep and the way our system works and that's when we reboot our chemistry.

They don't really get that.

I said, so let's put you into trance and I'm going to have you ask them to only involve you in work for them on the weekend.

Nice.

Yeah.

You're like HR.

It worked.

They understood.

They understood how we had seven cycles the day and the two.

They got it.

So he no longer had that issue of just being so drained and exhausted like all the time.

That's awesome.

So the adventure still occur, but they just occur on the weekend.

That's just so funny.

Yeah, she's right.

She's like an HR department.

That's amazing.

Yeah, the HR department.

Yeah, that is awesome.

So we're now an experiencer.

We know that and we've gotten to this point.

There's a point I want to get to because in speaking with Preston and a few other folks, when it comes to familial lines, and when it comes to, we've often heard and I know a lot of people know this, or may not know it, I don't know, but there seems to be a lot with family lines and we've also heard RH factor also comes in to play a little bit too.

But can you talk about that a little bit?

Well, I think you're right when you say that there are familial lines.

And again, we're talking about probably psychic ability.

Or they may have such a unique ability to analyze the genome, that they may actually know who they're directly related to.

So it may be one of those two things.

I'm not sure which one, but there are definitely familial connections.

Sometimes they're easier to find in the female lines.

And that's probably only because the women are more apt to talk about it.

Okay.

So it's a hard thing to measure as far as the male experience.

But we certainly have plenty of evidence that that's what's occurring in the female lines.

And even, you know, speaking of Kathleen Martin, her, you know, Betty Hill had had other experiences before the one with Barney.

And also, Kathleen Martin said that her mother had had an experience, Betty's sister.

So that indeed is familiar.

And I hear about that, I hear about that quite often.

Where you say, well, my mother or my sister.

And, you know, very often, in a, there are abductions, there are contact experiences where, you know, an entire family is taken or all of the siblings.

And some of the siblings continue to have experiences and some don't, probably because they don't have the genetic thing that is optimal.

Now, oh, negative blood.

It's very interesting that you should bring that up because it is a very quirky kind of thing.

It is the oldest blood type.

They know when different blood types came into being.

And O is the initial one.

And probably O negative because we have no rhesus factor.

We have no coding on our red blood cells.

That is a thing you find in simians.

Okay.

So there is a school of thought that O negative blood was in fact and is in fact the blood type of the Anunnaki, who many people believe were directly involved with the upgrading of Neanderthals and Denisovans into what we now call the Homo sapiens sapiens.

So that is a thought.

It's certainly true that O negative blood is rare.

I have it myself, so does one of my children.

It's quite common in Ireland and also parts of Scotland.

It's quite common amongst the, oh gosh, what are these people?

They're very, they're ancient.

They live in the mountains between France.

The Basque people.

Oh yeah.

Basque people have a huge high rate of O negative blood that is beyond anything that would be considered normal in any kind of statistics.

I believe that the Druze people also have now, now we're talking about some isolate cultures too.

Right.

The Druze in the Middle East were pretty isolate.

They didn't even, they didn't, they only married within their own communities, as I think the Basque people have done.

So it might be just a fact of these ancient civilizations have continued to hold on to their, their initial blood type.

I'm not sure, but it's, it's rare.

And it's it's contained in certain areas.

And I can tell you this.

And I mean, people will probably start arguing with me online.

I think that most of the experiences that I have worked with have O negative blood.

That's interesting because, yeah, I do.

I always ask them now.

I'm not doing blood typing in my office, but I always ask them their blood type.

I don't even say, do you have O negative blood?

I don't say it that way.

What's your blood type?

Just out of interest.

So there's a disproportionate amount of people that come to me that have O negative blood.

Well, we did an episode on the Hudson Valley, and everybody that they did a study of the abductions in that area, and they found of the people that they studied, what was it, like 90 some percent all had O negative blood.

Yeah, it's just fascinating.

Wasn't that something in the Hudson Valley?

Yeah, the Hudson Valley, yeah.

And a lot of people are completely unaware of how much stuff is going on there even to this day.

Oh, absolutely.

Yeah, to us, it's gotta be one of those places, if there was such a thing as a hotspot.

It is beyond, I don't even like saying it's a hotspot.

It just seems to be almost like a world within a world.

There's so much that happens there.

And if the folks haven't heard our past episode, the Hudson Valley is very, very well known for not just UFOs, but also with all sorts of-

Spooky stuff.

Yeah, ghosts, cryptids, everything.

Yeah, ghosts and cryptids, oh yeah, you name it.

Yeah, I-

That's interesting.

It blows my mind.

And we know people with type O negative blood.

Yes, we do.

My grandmother.

Well, there you go.

So if you don't have it yourself, you're a carrier then.

Well, I've got O blood.

Yeah, I've got O blood.

Not negative, O positive.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's like, well, we have two, my husband and I have two children.

He is O positive, I'm O negative.

And one of them is O negative, one of them is O positive.

It's so wild.

Yeah, it worked out that way.

It's so funny because that's why he was smiling at me while you were talking.

My family bloodline, Irish, Scottish, English.

Yeah.

So that's very interesting.

I'd never heard that before.

You're going to find concentrations of O negative blood in those areas.

That's so fascinating.

Now, a topic that I've always found, I don't want to say the word fascinating.

First of all, I say it way too much, but I always find not just interesting, but almost a little troubling at times too.

That refers to a little bit when it comes to like hybrid and keeping with the same and family line.

I know there's quite a few different stories out there that different experiences have had.

Whether they know they've had a hybrid or whether they believe that is one of those, obviously it typically only impacts one sex, right?

Because I mean, likelihood it wouldn't be me.

Well, there have been many male clients of mine who have been shown their children.

They've been taken on craft and shown their children.

And it's not unusual for some of these men just to sob because it's so emotional for them.

Now, sometimes I think the people that have been, I think the beings that have been most involved with this kind of genetic research are the grays from Zeta Ritulite.

Now, they are the grays, they are the beings that were responsible for what we call the Truman Agreement, agreement to later the Eisenhower Agreement.

This begins just around the nuclear age.

The war is not quite over, it's about to be over.

But the Roswell crash, it was not one craft, there were three, I believe, and there were survivors.

And those survivors who were from Zeta Reticula, which is a binary system, they had apparently lost the ability to reproduce.

They just, they couldn't reproduce.

And so they went to our government, who was right there, and said, look, we will exchange some technology that you can handle, you know, and in exchange, we just want to be able to take some DNA samples from some of your people, right?

Really playing down what was involved.

And it was greed.

And so we got, among many other things, fiber optics, integrated circuits, Velcro.

Yeah, a lot of these things where we saw such an incredible leap in our tech.

Now, the unfortunate part of this is that the abductions and the mining of OVA and sperm and the using women as breeding machine.

I mean, it was outrageous and horrifying.

And but what I can say to that is that there was a time, it was an agreement that had a time limit.

And when it timed out, it timed out.

And I believe that that happened in the 80s sometime, probably closer to the late 80s.

But so if I have a, if an experiencer comes to me and has had some of those brutal, say, to reticulate things going on, they are usually, you know, seniors at this point.

Which doesn't mean that, I mean, and sometimes they come, it's hugely traumatic.

They never talk to anybody about it.

And it wasn't like it was, there was nothing joyful.

It was frightening and painful and all the rest of it.

So if any of your listeners are particularly fascinated by this early ufology, ground zero, if you will, there's a wonderful book called The Day After Roswell.

And it was written by the late Colonel Philip Corso, who was there for the whole thing.

And that'll really go into some great detail that, you know, I can't recall right now.

Right.

Yeah, we spoke recently with Les Velez and I think he even said that he had spoken with Corso.

So yeah, it's interesting.

He's a sweetheart.

Yeah, he's such a good guy.

Oh, such a lovely man.

He really is.

Just wonderful, wonderful guy.

With, and by the way, we couldn't agree more.

He was amazing to talk to.

He was.

When it comes to the experiencer, knowing what you know, that there are many, many different species and different, it's like any other being or sentient person, there's going to be differences.

Do you notice that regression typically happens to, like, can they spot the difference between the two?

And are they visited by or taken by, kind of trying to tread lightly on this.

I don't want to say that it's all evil or anything, but do they, is it often by different species or is it typically like one particular species will stay with one particular?

It's more typically one type of species, but there are collaborative things going on and there are certain species that have better skills at some things than other things.

For instance, there's a group of beings, they might even fall into the reptilian category, but I'm not quite sure, but they have very rough skin and it's kind of brown.

And when I would regress people back to their earliest experiences as children, they would talk about the brown doctors.

Now, they were always kind of careful not to be seen because they didn't want to upset anybody.

And so they would take you from one place to another on each side, but not let themselves be seen.

But I have heard later from other people who are involved in the various programs that the brown doctors are considered the top geneticists of the galaxy.

And they are always called in when they are doing some kind of research with children or what have you.

They are kind and gentle as well.

They have the temperament of benevolent doctors, but they are always involved, it seems, in medical stuff, particularly if it is involving children.

Now, the greys, there are all kinds of greys.

There are so many different kinds, and some of them are benign and wonderful, like the Being Bishar that Daryl Anka channels.

And I think some greys are not even fully physical.

I mean, I think that they have been engineered for space travel.

Because when I ask my clients to communicate with the greys, who are often involved in taking people from point A to point B, when I ask them to communicate, the client will say, well, I can't really get more than this one thought.

So there's a limited brain power going on too.

So I think that some of these greys are in fact, just essentially cyborg-like creatures that assist primarily with transporting beings.

Now, I know the great Travis Walton, in his experience, which he now believes sees in a completely different light.

I mean, now he sees it as he ran into a tractor beam, again, without them being prepared, and he fell and he probably died, and they cured him and resuscitated him.

That's how he sees it now.

But when it was time to leave the ship, it was beings that looked just like us that walked among the craft.

He's definitely someone I've been wanting to talk to for a long time.

Yeah.

He's a wonderful guy.

I've seen him in person a couple of times, and for some years, we had a conference in Toronto called Alien Cosmic Expo, and there was a film about him and he spoke and there was a dinner and it was really wonderful.

Great guy.

Yeah.

That's interesting because Les was talking about that one person that, remember he said something like ripped the Grey's arm off or something, and it's like it didn't even react.

Yeah.

It did nothing to it.

Yeah.

He had the same.

That's right.

I remember that.

Yeah.

That is something that I, that kind of thing I heard where something you toss them across the room or something.

Yeah.

So I think that's very true.

How are we doing time-wise, guys?

I know we start a little bit late.

I'm okay right now.

How are you?

Well, it's going to be nine o'clock soon.

I kind of have to call it quits about then.

Okay.

Yeah.

We'll start to wrap it up here.

But I do have one question and maybe it's going to take a little bit longer.

What do they want?

They want to help us.

Okay.

They want to help us survive this very dangerous time.

They would like us to become aware and get to another level of awareness, and they would like for us to stop killing each other and blowing each other up and polluting the earth.

All of these, I think they see themselves in us.

I think that we as a species, as a world, we've had many resets.

The Ice Age, the Younger Dryas, I mean, we've had many resets where we lost everything.

Every scrap of knowledge, except that which was hidden, is now being hopefully rediscovered.

I think that they have much longer lives in general, and I think that they want to see us restored to the beings that we were intended to be.

And beings of light and of goodness, and that's in all of us.

But there are other elements too, there are other elements on our planet that have a dark agenda.

There's a cabal of old despots who would like to see nothing better than to maintain their patriarchal control.

But my personal feeling is until our civilization, our world has an equitable balance of power between men and women, that there will never be the kind of peace that we need.

Beautiful.

Yeah, I think there's really no better way to end it than that.

Lesley, how can our folks reach out to you?

I'm sure they're going to want to.

What's the best way for them to get a hold of you?

Well, you can always reach me by email at lesley, L-E-S-L-E-Y, at lightworkhypnosis.com, and that's all one word, lightworkhypnosis.com.

I'm on Facebook as Lesley Mitchell-Clarke, and also Contact TV.

I've had for about 13 years, I've had a little chat thing, and we've had, of course, Les Velez and lots of great people.

You can look up Contact TV on Facebook and you can also see some of our shows.

Then I'm one of the directors of the Contact and Disclosure Symposium.

We had the first one in April of this year, and so it was very successful, and we hope to do it again next year.

Awesome.

Well, once again, Lesley, thank you so much for spending some time with us tonight.

Thank you, guys.

Yeah, absolutely.

I'm so pleased to be able to share some time with you, and thank you for the good work that you do in getting the word out, and making, dispelling fear, and knowledge will dispel fear every time.

Exactly.

100 percent.

Thank you so much, and we're going to go ahead and let you go, and you have a good one.

All right.

Take care.

Take care.

Thank you.

Bye-bye.

She's amazing, isn't she?

Yeah.

A lot more unpacked than I thought we would get.

Yeah.

And, you know, she's so knowledgeable.

Yes.

Well, I mean, we don't know how many people she's done this with.

I mean, she's taking notes on everybody's experiences.

I mean, she's probably got a book full of...

No kidding.

You know, guys, we've had a lot of different folks on that have been experiencers of this paranormal.

I don't even like calling it paranormal.

Just, you know, it's a...

Experiencers is just the best way of saying it.

And it always seems to be that you learn something new every time, you know, you speak with one.

Yeah.

But there's also similarities.

Oh yeah.

No, for sure.

Like every single one is like, they're here to help us.

They're here to help us.

They're here to help us.

Yet most people, what they know is from watching the movies.

These evil aliens come to abduct us.

Holy weird.

No, there's some cases.

The thing that bothers me is the whole hybrid thing.

Yeah.

That bothers me.

That's unsettling.

I think about the women and losing their baby.

I mean, that bothers me.

Yeah.

But all the others seem like good experiences.

Yeah.

I mean, it would be very, I would be scary at first to rationalize that existence because once you've crossed that bridge, there's no coming back.

You know, whether or not you subconsciously know you've been visited or been an experiencer or not, your world is never quite the same afterwards.

Well, I find it interesting that after they've done the regression, now they're not as fearful, as much anxiety, but they're still having experiences.

That is the way she kind of put it, that they're lifelong experiencers.

So that means after they know this is happening, they have to go back home and go to bed, and they know they're going to be taken again, but they're not scared this time.

Hmm.

That's good.

I mean, that's obviously that's better than living in fear, but you're still...

But you would think there'd be some people that would be even more terrified now.

Well, that's true, yeah.

But I guess if you think it's just a cool experience, maybe not.

Yeah.

Well, what do you guys think?

I mean, if you were an experiencer or are an experiencer, how does it impact your daily life?

I mean, now that you know or think you know, and you're welcome to come on too.

We're happy to have you.

Reach out to us at info at gxparanormal.com and tell us your story if you want.

Yeah.

Other than that, guys, thank you so much.

Thank you for stopping by one more time.

We're so happy to have you and we'll see you next week.

We'll see you next week.

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