Extraterrestrial Encounters with Reverend Michael Carter

Join us on Generation X Paranormal as we sit down with Reverend Michael Carter, a renowned expert in the intersection of religion and extraterrestrial experiences. In this revealing episode, Rev. Carter shares his profound insights into how alien encounters might be influencing spiritual beliefs and human evolution. 

Don't miss this deep dive into the cosmic and the spiritual, where skepticism meets the vast unknown. Tune in to hear a perspective that challenges the conventional, brought to you by your favorite paranormal exploration duo, Logan and Nicole.

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This week on Generation X Paranormal.

So, I don't know whether I had to go to the bathroom, or, you know, I came in, she was asleep, I gave her a kiss, I took my clothes off, I hopped in the bed.

So I don't remember, I didn't keep track of that kind of stuff then, you know?

But I know it was early in the morning.

And when I, I, I, I, you know, I don't know whether I felt a presence in the room, or whatever, or maybe I had to get up and go to the bathroom.

But I sleep on my side and on my stomach, and when I turned around, this person was there.

Generation X Paranormal.

Well, hey, everybody, welcome back.

Hey, everyone.

I'm Logan.

And I'm Nicole.

And we are Generation X Paranormal.

So today, we have a very interesting guest.

Very special guest.

Very, very special guest.

And there's, I'm gonna open it up by saying that there may be some folks that have challenges with this episode, and that's okay.

That's perfectly okay.

We have no problem with that, and I'm sure our guest has no problem with that.

No.

We just ask you to have an open mind, you know?

Just listen.

Just listen.

Yeah.

And who we have on today is Reverend Michael Carter.

And he is quite unique and very interesting.

What can you tell us a little bit about Michael?

So Reverend Michael Carter is an ordained interfaith minister, and he received his BA degree in Letters from the College of New Rochelle, where he graduated cum laude.

He received his master's and divinity degree from Union Theological Seminary in New York City.

He has served as a staff chaplain at various hospitals in New York and in North Carolina.

A long time UFO contactee, his book, Alien scriptures, extraterrestrials in the Holy Bible was number one on Amazon.com's list of UFO related books.

Michael has also appeared on George Noory's Coast to Coast radio show and on his TV show, Beyond Belief on GaiaM Television.

Right.

Other TV appearances include being a regular consultant on the history channel's Ancient Alien series, as well as being featured in the UFO TV documentary, The Real 4400 and UFO's The Hidden Evidence on the Travel Channel.

Reverend Carter was also featured in Steven Spielberg's TV documentary, Abduction diaries for the Sci-Fi Channel.

diaries was the precursor to the Spielberg's HBO series, Taken.

Great show.

His latest TV appearance was on the History Channel's histories, greatest mysteries, hosted by Lawrence Fishburne.

The episode is on the Phoenix Lights.

Right now, Michael serves as the Minister for the Unitarian Universalist Congregation of the Suwananoa Valley located in the beautiful mountains of North Carolina.

awesome.

Morpheus is what I think of when he's talking about the matrix and stuff, and maybe with Lawrence Fishburne, that he's doing a show with him for some reason.

Anyway, guys, we're really excited to talk to him.

Let's go ahead and bring him on.

Let's talk to him.

Well, hey, Michael, how are you doing?

Good to be here, brother.

Thanks for having me.

It's good to see both of you.

Absolutely.

It's good to see you.

honestly, we talked to a lot of people in Paranormal, and you're always looking forward to a lot of different guests.

And I'll be honest with you, when we scheduled you, I did a mental circle around that one.

I said, I cannot wait to talk to him.

Quite honestly, there are so many things that I know we could go kind of explore, and we're going to do a lot of that.

But yeah, we're just absolutely elated to have you.

Yeah, yeah.

And you know how it is with questions.

One question will overlap, and you wind up getting three answers.

Yeah.

If I don't know, I'm one of those people who say, I don't know.

Okay.

That works great.

Well, in that sense, for the people in our audience that may not know you, can you give us a little history background, kind of 30,000 foot view, and what brought you to where you are now?

Okay.

yes.

My name is Reverend Michael Carter.

I am an experiencer.

I grew up in the Baptist tradition.

I'm also a father.

I do have a congregation, a Unitarian Universalist congregation here in North Carolina.

I lived in New York for about, I thought 27 years when I did the math, probably about 29 years.

I was an actor in New York.

I get a pension.

But it's not a big pension, but yeah.

And when I was a kid, I wanted to be a priest.

That's the only word I knew for it.

And then I got bitten by the theater bug and I went to New York and hung out in LA a little bit too.

But I wasn't happy.

It was the greatest years of my life in some ways.

But I wanted to serve.

I wanted to serve human beings.

I wanted to make a difference in my life.

And I'm not saying you can't do that as an actor, but you have to be kind of self-absorbed because it's a lot about you, classes, agents, lessons, those kinds of things.

And I just didn't.

I got tired of it.

Sure.

And so I went to seminary.

And right before that, I started having these experiences with off-world intelligences.

And I never planned to be where I am now.

And by that, I mean speaking about this, being on Ancient Aliens, being on these TV shows.

That was not in the plan.

But the experience has kind of led me there.

And so I'm living the life I want to live.

I have a congregation.

I do a lot of counseling.

I'm a dad.

I'm a healer.

And I feel like I'm giving back.

And that's really kind of what I wanted to do anyway.

So I live a pretty good life.

I'm not a wealthy man, but I don't have to be.

I'm comfortable.

And I guess that kind of, I hope that helps.

Yeah, absolutely.

You know, I often find that when I was younger, the idea of wealth was one thing.

And as I got older, it definitely changed and morphed and became a lot of different things.

Now wealth to me means being able to get up in the morning and say, okay, I'm gonna do the best I can for the day, try to treat people the way I would want to be treated.

And when I rest my head at night, if I can say I accomplished those two things, I did okay.

No, well, point well taken, Logan.

And so I will rephrase, I am a wealthy man, but it's not necessarily as far as finances.

Sure.

Right, right.

Well, maybe that will change too.

Hey, let's hope, right?

Yeah.

Money does not buy happiness.

No, it doesn't.

No, it does not.

It might a little bit at times, but it's fleeting.

It can help.

I have nothing.

I have nothing against money.

No.

And I have nothing against people who have money.

I just don't want it to be where that's the only thing I'm living for.

Sure.

Right.

The focus.

Yeah.

And I think people that obtain mass wealth like that, I think they find themselves in that.

But it's hard.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

So I've been told.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right.

Tough.

It's got to be a tough life, you know.

So I've been told.

Okay.

I think I want to start with the experiencer part first.

Yeah.

There is, and we've spoken to quite a few different experiencers for, I guess, every vertical, I would say.

I hate to break it down like that, but in all different facets of the paranormal.

But your experiences and the things that you were going to talk about, they're unique for me for sure.

But yeah, let's go ahead and start with the experiencer part.

What was your first experience that really gave you that cathartic change in your life?

December 28th, 1989, coming back from seeing the pyramids on the Yucatan.

At the time I was with my girlfriend, we went to Cancun and we took a day trip on the Yucatan.

And we saw the Mayan pyramids at Chitsunitsa and Tulum.

I guess I want to preface it.

I told you I came from a pretty conservative Baptist background, an African American Baptist tradition.

And even though I do have some Cherokee in me, so we both have that.

We got a lineage there.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

And I say all that because I did not believe in what I'm talking about now.

And I didn't believe it because I said it wasn't in a Bible, right?

What a difference 20 years makes.

But I think in 1989, I was leaving Christianity proper.

And by that, I mean you're saved and I'm not.

That didn't work for me anymore.

And I was trying to figure out how do I make this fit?

I still want to believe in these stories and some of these stories in the Bible.

I still want to believe that there is a great spirit or a great mystery or something out there that I'm connected to.

So I was trying to navigate that.

But when I came back to New York, I was living in New York.

My girlfriend that night, we got off at JFK.

We went home.

I was invited to a gathering.

She didn't want to go.

She was tired.

I was tired too.

It was freezing.

So I wanted to gloat.

I was nice copper color and my hair was lighter.

And I wanted to kind of let people see that and just rub it in that you were freezing your butts off here.

And I just came back from the Yucatan.

Right.

So she said, I'm staying home.

So I caught the subway downtown.

I mean, to times Square and walked over to the river.

And it was lovely.

We've had deviled eggs, no alcoholic beverages, food, chatted, people who did not.

Oh, wow.

And that was nice for me.

And so I went back home.

And when I went back uptown, we lived on the Upper west Side.

She still lives there, my first wife.

We're still very good friends.

And by that time, we weren't married.

And so I don't know whether I had to go to the bathroom or, you know, I came in, she was asleep.

I gave her a kiss.

I took my clothes off.

I hopped in the bed.

So I don't remember.

I didn't keep track of that kind of stuff then, you know?

But I know it was early in the morning.

And when I, you know, I don't know whether I felt a presence in the room or whatever.

Maybe I had to get up and go to the bathroom, but I sleep on my side and on my stomach.

And when I turned around, this person was there.

Wow.

And now they didn't have this, a friend of mine who's an experiencer, she's made, she's an artist, obviously.

And all the people I'm going to tell you I met, she made bust for me.

Oh, that's awesome.

Yeah.

And he, I'm saying he could have been a she, he could have been an it.

I'm going to say he.

They didn't have this.

I had her do the kind of Buddha thing.

This was what they had on, like a jumpsuit, like a metallic jumpsuit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This looks like a Mylar or something like that.

Like a NASCAR, you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah.

And was about maybe three, four feet tall tops.

Was chalk white, wasn't gray, but had the phenotype of gray.

The head went a little more that way.

And I was scared to death.

I thought I was going to have a heart attack.

She didn't move.

She didn't move.

Now, we talked about that later on.

But she didn't move.

And this being looked at me and I looked at him, and there was a blue light around this person.

And then around that was a white light.

Like our apartment was lit up like times Square.

And this was on the Upper west Side.

It wasn't like in a rural area.

And so I pulled the covers up over my head.

I mean, I've never been that scared.

I pulled the covers up over my head and got in a fetal position.

And I can chuckle about it now.

Then it was like life and death, life and death.

And it was cold that night.

And I felt like I was outside the building.

It was the Excelsior Hotel that's up there, still there.

And I heard this wind blowing in my ears, like shh.

And I finally grew a pair.

I said, because my mind was trying to, you know, this was unreal.

And when I pulled the covers down, nobody was there.

It was like I never left.

Wow.

And, you know, I, you know, I was, I had a lot of energy.

Sandy woke up.

And she's a very deeply spiritual woman.

And I told her what happened.

And she didn't say, what are you, some kind of a nut.

She just said, okay, okay.

And, you know, it started, they started visiting twice a month for about eight months to a year, every full a new moon.

And when they would come, they would paralyze me.

I couldn't move.

And they would, and now they were coming when she wasn't home and she worked at night.

And I would feel like this electricity going through my body, like through my whole body, and like in my throat chakra and all that.

One time they showed me, when the little off white people came, they showed me a past life.

I was, that's what I was.

I was a priest.

And they showed me an event where I was speaking in front of a large group of people that happened, like maybe five, ten years down the line.

And then, in between that, and then I started wanting to study all this stuff, like healing and tarot cards.

And I always saw auras even before they came, and psychic development stuff.

And what I could get by on leslie, my hair and nails grew like really fast.

The only way I can explain it is that I felt more intelligent.

And the sleep was a big deal because I didn't need sleep anymore, it felt like it.

And my heart was more open.

I felt more loving.

That's the best way I could put it.

And they still scared me.

I still, to this day, I still have post-traumatic stress, not as bad as I did before.

But it's hard for me to be home at night by myself, like if my wife has to go out of town or whatever.

Because they can just pop up.

I can be looking at you and then I could go there and they could...

That's the thing that flips me out, that they could just pop in like that.

Right.

So, and then I went to a support group.

I met Bud Hopkins, the late Bud Hopkins.

He regressed me.

Dr.

Gene Mundy regressed me.

So it helped me know that I wasn't crazy.

And then down the line, this person showed up, a reptilian person.

Walked through the wall in our bedroom.

Xandie wasn't there.

Tall, big muscle guy had a tail.

His eyes were gorgeous, not at the time.

But they looked like a cat.

They were yellow and the pupil went like that.

Yeah.

And I know this brother was a male because his mouth didn't move, but it was like I had a, you know.

Helipathic.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like I had speakers in my head.

Right.

And he said, don't be afraid.

And he touched me.

But his voice was a male voice.

Okay.

And he just looked at me and I looked at him thinking I was going to defecate on myself or something.

And then he just walked out.

Wow.

And by this time, you know, I'm living a double life, but I found a support group and, you know, you can't talk about this stuff.

And when I started going to conferences, I was selling cassette tapes.

I was talking about the Bible because that's what I look at, religion.

I don't care about propulsion systems and back engineering.

I'm more geared to more that there's a spiritual aspect to this.

So I'm jumping over stuff.

My master's thesis became my first book, Alien scriptures, extraterrestrials, and the Holy Bible.

I had a little publisher in Arizona, Blue Star Productions, Barbara DeBolt, and she was the one who said, you got to grow a pair.

You got to tell people about this.

They need to hear it.

So I wrote a book, the book, but I didn't put my experiences in it.

The second edition I did.

Then I just started building a resume.

People, and I was getting tired of acting, but I went to seminary, got married, got divorced, got married again, got divorced, married now.

They came, and then maybe a couple of years would go by.

But then I started, like a producer from a Hollywood California call from Prometheus Productions, got your book here, want you to come on Ancient Aliens.

That's how that started.

A friend of mine got me on Shirley MacLean Show.

So I started, I did a Steven Spielberg thing, Abduction diaries.

So what happened was as I started doing more stuff, speaking at conferences, when people would say, send us your bio, when I was doing it, I said, Oh my God, it was even impressive to me.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

I'm going to History Channel.

I'm here there.

So then July 4th, 2013, rough year, my biological dad had died.

I was getting divorced for the second time.

And I was getting fired from my job.

I used to work as a hospital chaplain before I got the church gig.

And July 4th, 2013, you know, my dad had died.

I developed a blood clot.

I don't know how, maybe it was stress.

It was from my ankle to the groin area on my right leg.

I mean, my leg was huge.

I had never had a blood clot before.

I thought maybe I pulled a muscle.

So I go to the doctor.

The doctor says, you must go right now, drive yourself.

Did you come by yourself?

Yeah.

And I had to get, you know, what do you call it?

A stent.

You know, they look at you.

Right.

Yeah.

And they saw it.

And you know, it was, it could have been life-threatening.

So, wow.

So, I had a lot of friends who fought in Vietnam.

This all is going to come together.

Oh, yeah.

Please.

And I didn't.

I was a little too young.

And they would, some of them would tell me what happened there.

Some of them were very close, you know, this.

And so, but my friends were telling me about, you go to sleep in your foxhole.

sometimes it's rain in it.

There's incoming and outgoing artillery.

You know, it was a freaking nightmare.

And they said, this is what we had to go through.

And I was like, oh my God.

So, July 4th, 2013, here and where I live in North Carolina, there was a thunderstorm.

And it was so welcoming to me.

I don't like fireworks.

But my ex and I was still trying to make it work and had a child.

They loved it.

So, you know, I wanted to be a good dad.

So I went, but I didn't like it because you're sitting so close.

It's hot.

You sit out there for two hours.

The fireworks are only 30 minutes.

It was just uncomfortable.

Yeah.

And so July 4th, 2013, they canceled the fireworks here.

Thank you.

And so, but it was so loud.

It was like, it felt like it was artillery.

And I said to myself, this must be what my friends were talking about.

I was lying in bed.

I could not go to sleep.

I was reading.

So, you know, I, again, I don't know whether I felt someone in the room or what have you.

But when I turned around, this person was in my room.

Nordic.

This little Nordic looking person.

Now, he didn't have the, he had a hoodie on a cowl.

And he had like a page boy.

You could see the things there.

But he was built like, like, like, like, like the reptilian was built.

You can see the muscles and the pet muscles and stuff through his robe.

He had a robe on, grayish color with a rope belt.

And I was like, holy, and he was almost as tall as my ceiling, which was about eight, eight and a half feet.

Wow.

And he put his hand out, and a green light came out of his hand.

And it hit me in my stomach.

I watched it hit me, but I didn't feel anything.

And then he just, the molecules, he just went away.

So the first person I called, this was at 9.50, 10 minutes to 10 Eastern time.

First person I called was, you probably know him, preston Dennett.

Oh yes, we do.

We know him well.

I called preston because he wrote a book on this.

I'm in his second book with this story.

But this was before, because I said, he'll know, he'll know.

He'll know what I'm talking about.

And preston wasn't home because it was about 10 of 7 there.

He was living in California.

Now he lives over here on the East Coast.

Anyway, preston wasn't there.

So I had told my ex about it, my second wife, and I went over to see them the next day, and they both did this at the same time.

My daughter, they healed you.

My leg had shrunken back to normal.

I didn't take a picture of it.

That was flip phone time, but I didn't think about that.

So I had a healing from these people.

And the big thing with that was I had to tell the doctors because they wanted to know.

Because every week, 10 days, they go stick you and I went back, and they didn't believe me.

I mean, I didn't tell them the truth.

They would have locked me up.

Well, yeah.

I just told them, they kept bugging me.

How did it happen?

What happened?

What did you do?

And finally, I said, look, I don't know what happened.

You don't know what happened.

Aren't you happy for me?

Be happy for me.

I'm healed.

It's over.

And they were like, oh, okay, yeah, no, we get it.

We want you to be, you know, so we got away from that.

Last but not least, in 2019, I was speaking at a UFO conference in Knoxville, tennessee, which is about two hours from me.

And it went really well.

First time I ever got a standing ovation at one of these UFO conferences, so I was really like, wow, okay, they're hearing it.

And so met a lot of people, gave out my card, sold a lot of books, that kind of thing.

When I got back, about two days after I got back, a young lady I met there, who was a big fan, she said, I told my friend about you, and she's going to buy your books, and you were just wonderful, yada, yada, yada.

And she said, but she has something to tell you.

Would you mind talking to her?

And I said, okay.

She said, well, should I give her your phone number?

I was like, ugh.

And she said, well, I'm just going to give my number.

So she said, well, she's right here.

And I said, okay.

She said, she's a psychic.

I said, okay.

And she said, she's a lawyer.

And I'm like, that's an interesting combination.

No kidding.

Talk about right and left hemispheres.

Yeah.

She got on the phone.

This is my last story.

And you have to ask questions.

And she said, you don't know me.

And I know you're gonna think this is weird.

And she says, but she said, you ever seen a praying mantis before?

I said, what do you mean?

You talking about an insect?

She said, no, the praying mantis beings.

I said, no.

And she said, do you believe in them?

I said, yeah, they exist.

It's all kinds of people exist.

And she said, well, I see them around you.

And I said, oh, and she said, do you understand what I'm saying?

I said, yeah.

She said, and they're gonna make themselves known to you.

I said, okay.

I mean, what are you supposed to say to that?

She said like real soon, like in three days.

I said, what?

So we hang up.

I lived in a little apartment then.

The first night, you know, I walk around the house, the apartment and, you know, I felt a little weird.

But my brother was murdered back in 95 and someone robbed him and killed him and he smoked cigarettes.

So sometimes he would be around because I don't smoke.

And I could tell when he was around me because, you know, cigarette smoke.

So, you know, I would talk to him and that kind of thing.

But that wasn't what this was.

So I said, Oh, come on, this is auto suggestion.

I said, get a grip.

But, you know, remember, I already got PSD, PTSD.

Right.

So the second night, I'm walking from room to room.

I go get a glass of water.

I go to and I'm like, this is getting a little weird.

I'm starting to feel the hair on my neck stand up and that kind of thing.

The third night, I'm lying on my bed.

I couldn't go to sleep.

And I was too lazy to get up and go meditate.

So I said, I'm going to meditate right here on the bed.

And I closed my eyes and I felt the bed sink.

And this person was about this far from my face.

Oh my gosh.

yes, that's it.

And the big eyes looked at me.

And I hyperventilated.

I could not breathe and just stared at me.

And it would seem like a long time, but it probably was more just a few seconds.

And then just disappeared, just dissolved like the blonde brother did.

And I called the friend and said, thank you for telling me you were correct.

So those are, I've had other things happen, but those are the big ticket items.

sometimes in dreams, they would come and stuff like that.

But they led me to where I am today with the healing.

They never said, this is something you should do, but they did kind of urge me to go into prayer and hand on healing.

And that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Wow.

Wow.

Wow.

What a...

honestly, I think that's the first story where I've heard contact with that many different.

Usually, it's like one or two.

But to have...

Yeah.

And then to have...

I mean, it was hard.

Yeah.

That's why I said, you got to make these things for me.

Let me tell you who these people look.

Yeah.

That's why I keep up.

I just don't collect extraterrestrials.

But yeah.

But yeah.

Yeah.

That's it.

And to have an experience with every...

That's what I'm saying.

Like, usually it's like one or two.

Right.

You get either a gray...

Over and over or something, but not...

Wow.

Like they're all working together.

That's what I get from that.

Yeah.

Or either they're saying, hey, you gotta check out that brother's crib.

He's got a nice apartment.

Right.

This man's going to Tulum and stuff.

Yeah, he's going, please.

Yeah.

So there you are.

To a psychiatrist.

That's what I heard.

Yeah.

I hear that.

So there you are with all these experiences now.

And you talked a little bit about of being kind of a split mind.

When did you start to notice that, I guess your...

I wouldn't say faith, but the way your belief structure kind of was set up, obviously it had to come kind of crashing down a little bit, or at least it definitely had to have probably changed a bit.

Oh, a bit.

Yeah, it changed.

Yeah.

That's a great question.

Well, you got to remember, I was already leaving the Orthodox Christianity of my youth.

Why?

Great question.

No, just because I didn't...

I knew people, gay folk, native folk, white folk.

I had a...

I'm living in New York, and I was just raised that way.

You just accepted people.

And some of these folks didn't believe what I believed.

And I couldn't wrap my mind around that a loving God would barbecue these people just because they had a different belief.

I just couldn't accept that anymore.

So when I met these brothers and sisters, it just affirmed that, do you know what I mean?

And I was on a journey.

I was looking for the historical jesus, not the jesus of faith where you're saved, I'm not.

And so I was on my own personal quest, in the Buddhism, and I was an atheist at one time, agnostic.

So I was on this journey.

And I just said, if these people came to visit me in 1989, that was the beginning, CE, then they must have been coming visiting folks in 1989, BC, you know what I mean?

Oh, yeah.

They must have been here.

Yeah, for sure.

And so then I found Barry Downing's book, UFOs in the Bible, he wrote it in 1968.

And that was like water to a thirsty man, because he wasn't an experiencer and he and I are friends.

But this is a minister talking about this stuff.

Now, my theology is different now than his.

Barry maintained that orthodox Christian faith.

But, and he made it make sense.

And then, you know, I'm reading Eric Van Downing again, and then I met Zachariah Stitchin, who lived, he was my neighbor.

He lived about six blocks from me in New York and met him.

And it just opened my mind, you know, like Oliver Wendell holmes says that when the mind is stretched, it can't go back to its original dimensions.

And that's what was happening to me.

And so I couldn't go back.

Once I started looking at the Bible as a UFO book and not necessarily a religious book, I couldn't go back.

Yeah.

Do I believe in something greater than me?

Yeah.

sometimes I call it God.

sometimes I call it the universe.

But it doesn't matter what you call it.

And now, yes, jesus, and I tried to get away from jesus, and I don't mean that like he's the only way.

Not at all.

There are other ways, whatever that means to you.

But when I got away, I always went back to those teachings because I'm a man of the west.

I'm educated in the west, western culture.

That's the story you know by, you can't get rid of it.

Right.

It's always in you.

So I look at him as a guide and as a brother.

But any God that was in him is in me as well, and you too as well.

And I think he's even almost said as such if he has.

Kingdom of heaven is within you.

You don't have somebody else.

Buddha may put it another way.

Lao Tzu may put it another way.

But you don't have to look outside yourself.

There is something else.

But I'm part of that.

I'm part of that.

I'm not there or over there and I'm over here.

People don't like to hear that because they think you're arrogant.

They think that you think you're God.

But any God that's in me too, if you want to use that word.

That's how I roll.

And so I was just on this journey and then I got just more comfortable.

Well, now I'm giving you the truncated version.

Sure.

But yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so, you know, I got I got you see my extraterrestrial pictures behind me.

I got Tud, I got Bishop Tutu and the Dalai Lama over here.

I got a Black jesus over here.

I got a Hindu Sai Baba here.

I got, you know, because all of those are teachers of truth.

I got, what's the name?

You know, the Buddhist goddess of compassion, Kuan Yin.

You know, I got them all.

I got Mary upstairs because they're just all symbols of the same thing.

My Christian friends hate that because they figure, oh yeah, there are other religions, but I got the right one.

I'm tolerant of them, but I got, you know, I don't feel that way.

And all of these cultures talk about star people.

yes, they do.

The Hopi, you know, the Cherokee talk about the Palladians.

I mean, you know, they come here.

Vimana is in the Hindu tradition.

The Flying cities, they talk about.

In the Vedas, in the Mayan Popavullu, they talk about these.

So we've been invaded.

Oh, yeah.

We were invaded and we still are invaded.

And so we need to get that.

And some of these beings are advanced, not just technologically, but spiritually.

Some of them are more advanced technologically.

And our ancestors thought they were gods.

And that's not saying there isn't something larger, but they thought that these beings were.

Because I would have thought so too, man.

Oh, yeah.

If you went back in time, you got your little Apple computer, you got probably a weapon or something.

Oh, yeah.

You're talking on the phone, you're texting.

these people would give you the money out of their pockets.

Right.

I mean, yeah, they didn't know.

They would think you're unworldly at that point.

Yeah, that's it.

And you can tell these beings are that they're not human, but they're not perfect.

I mean, they make love, they get drunk, they fight among themselves.

In all the cultures, in Greek culture, you got Zeus and you got Prometheus, and you got Asherah in the Hebrew tradition, and they make love, and they drink, and they fight, and they pray, and they do.

That's not a god.

That's another being.

They're godlike.

So anyway, that's my story.

Oh, that's so much said there that's just amazing.

Yeah, I'm trying to wrap my mind around a lot of that.

Well, no, it is.

I mean, people are leaving the churches for a lot of reasons.

But a lot of people left the church like I did.

Because of its hypocrisy, I'm saved, you're not, and what have you.

But mainly people leave because in my research is because I can't worship a God who's going to sanction genocide.

Okay, let's destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, men, women, and children.

Let's have you go into the land of Canaan and dash babies against the stone.

That's not a God, but we've been taught to look at it that way.

And so you got this split.

And if you believe in a God who's vengeful, if you believe in a God who's wrathful, if you believe in a God, he's concerned about who you sleep with and if you're circumcised and you shouldn't marry that, that's not a God.

But if you believe in that, that's why you have these wars.

Because if your God can commit genocide, then you say it's okay to commit genocide.

If your God is vengeful, then you're going to say an iPhone and it makes monsters out of us.

But if you don't look at the Bible at that way, if you look at it as a book, the idea of God is in there, talking about the Old testament.

Right.

jesus is talking about something else.

yes.

But if you look at it like a book of our ancestors trying to tell us, this is what it was like for us to share this planet with people who weren't from here, then you don't get that split.

So you're not looking for morals from it, because there is no moral when Yahweh says go into the land of Canaan and take whatever they got and kill them.

There's no morals there.

No.

But if you're brought up to look at it like that, then it makes you crazy.

But if you look at it like this is a book of our ancestors telling us about flying chariots.

If you read the Book of Josephus, he talks about flying shields.

If you look at Pillar of Cloud by David, then you go, they didn't have words for that then.

Right.

But we have words for that now.

We would call that an invasion.

Yeah.

If they're talking about flying chariots and stuff, they're telling you there's something in the sky that flies.

They didn't have words for that.

We have a word for that.

That's a UAP.

That's the submerged thing.

Jonah's talking about the whale.

Maybe that's not a whale.

Maybe that's a UFO or a US.

It's a submerged identified object.

That's interesting.

Well, yeah, because that was something when I was a kid, I was like, how could he get swallowed by a whale?

Even as a child, I was like, that doesn't make any sense.

Yeah.

But that person would die.

They're trying to tell you in the language of their day.

It makes sense.

And so in the Old testament, they talk about in genesis, I mean, Exodus, the pillar of cloud by day, the pillar of fire by night.

They're saying that it looks like a cloud in the daytime and it glows at night.

Well, modern day UFOs do that.

sometimes they camouflage themselves in clouds.

yes.

And they do glow at night.

If you go to the New testament, jesus leaves in a cloud.

these people weren't stupid.

They know you couldn't ride clouds, but they were trying to tell you what they saw him leave on.

You know?

And of course, it's all about translation.

But if you go back to.

Genesis 6, where it says the sons of God, I mean, let us make human beings man in our image.

Well, the Hebrew word is Elohim.

It's the oldest Hebrew word, as far as I know.

And it means us.

Let us make man.

And it means the gods.

It's us.

So there's more, yeah.

When they say the, let us, who's us?

Right.

Some people say it's the Trinity, but they didn't have a Trinity back then.

No.

The Trinity wasn't even thought about until the third or fourth century.

Let us make man in our image.

That means that there's more means more than one gods.

these gods.

That's wild.

Wow.

Yeah.

Most people don't know the translation.

I mean, because everything's in English now.

Yeah.

And it's been translated so many times.

You got to get a good Bible, like the New Jerusalem Bible or the NRSV.

You got to get a good Bible.

And it will say, and it will, the footnotes will tell you that a good Bible will say, this is what it's called, but this is what it's called now.

But Elohim, it's when you, anywhere you put the word Lord in the Bible, put the word Elohim, it makes more sense.

Anywhere you see the word angel in the Bible, put extraterrestrial, it makes more sense.

Nowhere in the-

My mind's like blown.

Yeah, nowhere in the Bible does it say angels have wings.

No, it doesn't.

But I'm not saying they don't.

But angels, nowhere in the Bible do they have wings.

I think our ancestors put wings on them to let us know they could fly, that these were gods, they flew.

Well, I know there's always, when it speaks in there, it talks about a golden light around them, doesn't it?

A lot in the Bible when they're talking about angels.

They don't speak about it.

I mean, there's a lot of lights.

There's a lot of lights.

these holy people and what have you.

Yeah, just like it is around extraterrestrial.

But some of them look like human beings.

Yeah, they do.

If you look at Abraham and Sarah, they must have looked like human beings.

They didn't say they had wings.

But it must have been something about them to let them know that they weren't human.

And sometimes you don't know if they're human or not.

Or they came from the sky.

And remember, in Hebrews it says you got to be good to people because you may be entertaining angels unawares.

Was that Hebrews 13?

Yeah.

So that means some of them can look like us, like that blonde person.

I mean, you could tell he wasn't from here, but he was more humanoid.

Right.

More like impressive.

He looked different.

He looked different than this person or this person, who clearly are not human looking.

So anyway, that's what I come to believe.

That's where my research has taken me.

And I'm not the only one.

And I'm not saying that you shouldn't read the Bible, that there's some beautiful stories in there.

They're truths, but they're not all moral stories of a God.

Because the God in that Bible, which is Yahweh, does some terrible things.

Yeah.

With all of that.

And so being in that community and sort of, like you had said, you had started to kind of transition away from, I guess, for lack of better words, the everyday Christianity-type belief structure.

What challenges, obviously, there had been a lot of external challenges to your belief structure, and I'm sure that's actually still to this day, I would imagine.

What is it that you, first of all, in my personal humble opinion, all of that makes a ton of sense to me.

It does make sense.

But then again, I did not grow up going to church.

I didn't grow up in that setting.

But I probably have a different point of reference than some may have.

But yeah, what were, did you wrestle with that for a very long time?

I would imagine.

No, I did.

I did.

But I was wrestling with that before the ET thing.

Right.

And I was like the government, man.

I just didn't tell people everything.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

I mean, because you had to know who you could talk to and who you couldn't talk to.

And I don't argue with people even today.

Yeah.

You know?

And so I did wrestle with that even before this.

I was, is jesus really that judgmental?

I had to learn some biblical languages or at least learn some translations.

And the jesus I came up with is very different than the mainstream christianities jesus, who is probably an extraterrestrial or at least a hybrid.

Because if your mom is human and your daddy isn't, that means you're not fully human.

But just that, but just that there was a lot of love, there was a lot of fairness, there was a lot of championing the underdog.

It was very different from what we see today.

And that I don't think he came here to save us.

I think he just came here and, you know, Rome played hardball and, you know, that's the way it is.

Right.

You know, but he left an example of how to live, not the only example, but there's an example of how to live, how to treat your neighbor.

He didn't come here to start a new religion.

His name, you know, Christ means anointed one, Christos in Greek.

And that was not his name.

And it wasn't, you know, his parents weren't Mr.

and Mrs.

Christ.

You know what I'm saying?

And so, but he left an example.

I happen to believe that he was part of an extra-terrestrial, that he was a hybrid, for the reason I just shared with you.

So here we have the myth of the God man, you know?

Yeah.

But he's talking about a very different way of life than Yahweh.

I was taught that the Old testament and New testament were connected.

But jesus never talks about Yahweh in the New testament.

Also, you could argue about that the God he's talking about, who he calls Father, is very different from the Old testament God.

Very different.

Yeah.

I'm thinking as you're speaking, I'm thinking back on all the stuff I've read.

Yeah.

He brought the A game, man.

He said, hey, you don't just love your friends, you love your enemies.

At least try to.

these are ways that you can live a good life.

Right.

Whatever your God, you love your God.

He didn't say, if you didn't believe in me, that you would die.

A lot of the New testament, just like a lot of Old testament, was rewritten.

jesus, if jesus lived today, the very people who say they love him would aid him.

That's true.

That is very true.

Because he would call them out on your hypocrisy.

He would call you out on an eye for an eye.

He would call you out on the death penalty.

He would call you out on military adventurism.

He would call you out on all those things.

But when Christianity became the religion of the Roman Empire, they made jesus very different.

Well.

I know what I want to speak about.

I just thought of something.

So the whole story of moses going up in the mountain, 10 commandments, the fire, the burning bush, all that.

What is your take on that?

I don't know what moses saw, but it was probably some technology.

You know, remember he said the bush looked like it was consumed, but it wouldn't burn.

He also, you know, he's talking with Yahweh.

Yahweh is the extraterrestrial god.

It was a god of war.

Yahweh, and you also have to remember this.

The 10 commandments weren't for everybody.

They were just for the tribe of Israel.

If the 10 commandments were for everybody, then Yahweh wouldn't have said, go into the land that I will show you, which was Canaan, and take it.

Yeah.

He wouldn't have said that.

If it was for everybody, we make it to day 20 centuries later, this is what we need to live by.

They're good things, but he tells you I'm a jealous god.

What kind of god would be jealous?

What are you jealous of?

Your god for crying out loud.

Yeah.

I've always wondered that too.

And you should never have any other gods before me.

But remember, we were invaded, so there were other gods.

There was Baal, there was Kohash, there was the goddess Asherah.

There were other gods there.

And he said, I don't want you talking about them, I don't want you talking to them, and I don't want you even making a likeness of them.

That means you got a problem.

There were other gods.

Wow.

That's amazing.

My mind's a little blown.

So honestly, now you kind of, I'm really at a loss for words, kind of come in full circle.

You have your own parishioners now, you've got your own, you have people that are following the things that you're saying and listening to you.

And what is, or not following, I'm sorry, maybe I'm framing that up wrong.

No, no, let me say this, Logan.

I think I know where you're going.

I don't preach this from a pulpit.

I happen to be in a very liberal denomination.

Unitarian, very progressive.

When I go to church on Sunday to speak, I got Wiccans there, I got Christians there.

Because we're open to all fates, and we let people, we can guide, but you have to find your own.

We help you, that's your spiritual path.

So I don't get a lot of blowback.

Now, I don't preach this because it does freak some people out.

And many years ago, someone tried to get me fired.

But it's kind of like an open secret.

People see me on television, they hear the podcast, they know.

But no, it's not my job to do that.

That's not what they hired me for.

And if I did that, I would split that church.

Because some people would say, Reverend Carter is preaching the word and he's preaching truth.

And some other people would say, no, he's freaking me out.

So why split that?

They come there for fellowship, they come there for the community.

So it's not a UFO church.

Okay.

But there are people there, but there are people there who know that I do these podcasts, who've seen the TV shows, whatever.

And they just say, yeah, I believe that as well.

Okay.

I just don't have a, there was a lady who tried to get me fired some years ago, and it didn't work.

But it was scary because I needed the job.

But the other thing is, the other thing is that we don't have a pope, we don't have a bishop to say what you can say and what you can't say.

So I have a little more leeway.

There are ministers out there and scholars who believe what I say or agree with it, but they can't talk about it because they'll lose their jobs.

Yeah.

That's unfortunate.

They'll lose their jobs.

Or if you got tenure somewhere and you come out and say, this is all about extraterrestrials, and you can lose your job.

See, I don't have to worry about that right now, so I'm very fortunate.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

And you're right, that is sort of the general area I was going at because again, not having been raised that way, I would find it would be difficult to preach like that from the pulpit, I would imagine, and then kind of have to, like you said, you would be splitting congregations.

I split my congregation.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

Yeah.

So that's the way it is.

Sure.

No, and that makes sense.

Yeah.

And I don't feel like I have to.

Right.

That's not my job to force you.

I mean, our government is spending money on this.

You just got to do your own research and look out of the box.

Right.

Like I had to do.

Yeah.

And I guess it kind of pivots a little bit to, what is your feeling?

And I would imagine, I think I kind of know the answer to this, with now all these congressional things that are going on.

I think it's wonderful.

Okay, awesome.

But I also realize that there's a faction of the government who wants us to have disclosure, and there's a faction that doesn't.

So it's like these two polarities trying to wrestle with each other.

I would even go so far as to say that there's some extraterrestrials who want disclosure and there's some who don't.

That's interesting.

And I find that interesting because we've spoken to quite a few that say that, that they feel it is potentially that the extraterrestrials are setting the narrative.

Yeah.

So that...

Oh, I believe that too.

I didn't before, but I believe that too.

And so we'll see where this whole thing goes.

But you got to remember that there was some beings, and even if you go back to the Epic of gilgamesh and the mesopotamian text, remember, there was some beings who wanted us to thrive.

Like if you go back to Enki and A'Leel, Enki warned us about the flood, but A'Leel and the other brother, A'Leel, they didn't care what happened to us.

We were noisy, we breeded fast, it was just, they just didn't need us for anything except to do their bidding.

So there's always this faction.

When you go to genesis 11, that's the perfect story there.

Okay, the Tower of Babel.

What happens?

The Elohim look down and see us building, I think it was a ship, but see it wasn't a high-rise apartment building, come on.

And they see it.

And what do they say?

We need to stop this right now.

Because if we don't stop this, there'll be nothing we can't stop them from doing.

So what do they do?

They destroy that and they mess up, they meddle in our language so we can't understand each other.

That doesn't sound like people who want you to grow and evolve.

But they also come in, and when Daniel's in the lions den, they come and they save his life.

When Peter's in prison in the Book of Acts, they get him out of prison.

They come and they tell Miriam, Mary and Elizabeth about the babies they're going to have and the influence they're going to have.

When Paul's on his way to Rome to speak to caesar, they comfort him and he winds up dying there later.

But they comfort him.

So you get some stories of some of these folks who could care less and you get some stories who say, let's just see where this experiment's going to go.

Reverend Michael Carter, you blow me away.

yes.

Wow.

yes.

Our words keep getting caught in our mouth.

Yeah.

And I'm so, so glad that we did not have a formal thing set up because this is exactly what I wanted to do with you.

And you know, brother, I can always come back on and go through the Bible a little more.

Yeah, that would be great.

I mean, because I can give you some chapters and verses, but I could also give you a little more of the history of how Yahweh, how the Old testament became monotheized with all these gods.

And then, but they kind of trimmed off the fat.

And it's just about Yahweh now, but it really wasn't at the beginning.

Yeah.

So we can do that another time.

Let's plan on it.

Yeah, absolutely.

Call me, call me, call me next week and let's set up a time.

My daughter's graduating, so there's a little party every night, starting tomorrow night, Sunday night.

But we could do something.

And I got my bibles here.

I can suggest to people what a good translations to get.

We can go into a little more of the Elohim.

We can go into the Mayan Popovu.

We can go in, because that's the thing.

All these cultures, whether they're Norwegian, you know, Viking, whether they're Filipino, whether they're African, they all have these stories about beings coming down to the earth after a cataclysm, because there's been more than one flood.

There's always one.

Plato talks about this, and they start over.

There's always some survivors and they start over.

We may be living in that time now.

We could have a pole ship.

We could get hit by an asteroid.

You see what we're doing with climate change.

But we may be living in one of those times.

He said they happened every 5,000 years.

So we're doing.

He believed, Plato believed in a god, and he believed in the gods.

And he talks about this, he talks about Atlantis.

You know, you then do is go back and read Quiteus and Timaeus.

And he talks about that, he talks about reincarnation.

Plato is a bad man.

When I was in school, they just, they gave me a Xerox that he would just read that chapter.

None of that was in here, but I got it now.

Man.

That is fascinating.

yes, we are going to have to.

yes, you're definitely, have you back.

No, no.

But for this particular episode, let's do this.

I know there's going to be a large amount of people in our audience that are going to want to reach out to you or are going to want to explore, before we get a chance to sit down again.

Or read your books.

And read your books.

Can you kind of give us an idea where they can find you?

How can they reach out to you?

Sure.

And kind of learn more about it.

They can reach me.

I have a Facebook fan page at Reverend Michael J.

Carter.

They can reach me by email.

I answer my emails.

Michael J.

S.

Carter at gmail.com.

Just reach out.

I have another page on Facebook.

It's just called Michael J.

Carter.

So I have those two, Reverend Michael J.

Carter and Michael J.

Carter.

And I will, you know, and you got my email.

You can buy my books on Amazon.

I got five books.

I got a new book out.

Came out in December.

It's called Enlightenment.

It's a book of sermons.

But my other books are on religion and UFOs.

I got a book on prayer and healing.

What else can I tell you real quick?

I went out to Roswell a few months ago to shoot another TV show.

I don't know if I'm on the initial episode.

It's called, it's a brand new show.

It's on Discovery Channel, June 19th, 10 o'clock.

It's called Alien Encounters Fact or Fiction.

Okay.

And I shot two new episodes of Ancient Aliens, but they haven't aired yet.

One of them is called The Chosen, and the other one is called The Teachers.

I mean, not unless they change the title.

So keep your eyes open for those.

And like I said, the other one is on June 19th and 10 o'clock on Discovery Channel.

We're going to be there.

So that's it.

I don't know if I'm on that first episode, but I'm definitely on there.

Okay.

And I'll be out in Michigan again in September for the UFOCon.

It's in Lake Houghton.

Lovely little conference.

Bigfoot, Paranormal, then we talk about all of that.

And that's on September 21 to September 24.

Okay.

awesome.

Off the streets.

Yeah.

Well, I mean...

I'll make sure and put links to your books.

Yeah.

So on our Facebook page when this comes out, so they can find it.

And just give me some dates and let's try and make it work.

Yeah.

I'll be around until the end of August.

We're going on vacation.

So I should be around.

Okay.

Perfect.

We will definitely reach back out because this hour is just not long enough.

No.

No, it's not.

No.

Again, thank you so much.

We really appreciate it.

And we will absolutely have you back.

We can't wait for that day.

All right, brother.

Just blown away.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I still don't know what to say.

No.

And that's not good because we're on a podcast.

Yeah.

Yeah, we're married.

The ums came out at the same time.

It's very interesting.

I'm excited to talk with him again.

yes.

I mean, I grew up learning the Bible and everything and going through it story by story.

Right now, and as he was talking, I kept thinking back to certain stories in the Bible.

Would it make sense if in this story, there were UFOs or aliens or something?

And not in everyone, of course.

But in some of them, it does make some sense.

It's crazy.

It's amazing.

I'm not one to automatically shut someone down and be like, no, that can't happen.

It does make a lot of sense.

And this may be a very hard episode, like we said in the beginning, for people to even maybe believe or to get on board with, and that's okay.

We're not asking you to.

We're just asking you to listen, keep an open mind, because we don't really know the truth of anything.

I mean, we're all learning and growing, but especially in the recent things that have happened in the world.

And there are some people like us that have always been convinced that there's been aliens, UFOs.

We know that there is.

But for those of you that are still curious and searching, you might want to keep an open mind.

I mean, we don't really know.

And the thing we do know, and he kind of touched on it a little bit, is our ancient civilizations have been visited by something.

I mean, we have the hieroglyphics, we've got the petroglyphs that show animals.

Maybe we'll put a few up.

Okay, I'll do that.

Of carvings of spaceships and of creatures that have big heads, very similar to what people say they are seeing.

So back then for them, that was how they told their stories.

It was.

And they're not going to draw something, like, you know what I mean?

They didn't really have it.

If they didn't see it.

And they didn't really have the propensity to lie.

Well, no, I mean, there was no reason to, and they drew what they saw.

Like, they always drew their animal, like the animals around them, right?

So if you think about the Native Americans in the US., they were drawing.

Well, they were drawing.

Buffalo.

They were drawing deer.

They were drawing, you know, those types of animals.

But then you got next to that, you got this alien, this thing with like a alien head.

Yeah.

I mean.

And little like things in the sky and even in like in Egypt, in the hieroglyphics, they've got certain drawings.

And I mean, I don't know.

It's a lot to unpack.

We're not asking you to.

Which is why we're having him back.

Yeah.

I would love, I just kind of want to go through because I would love to see what he has to say.

It's so interesting.

He's got so much out there still.

And I know he, yeah, I don't know what to say.

I know.

And he's been on all these shows.

So he is very credible.

yes, he is.

He's very credible.

So don't question that.

I mean, I just blown away by him.

Also, if you guys listen to it on the podcast, it's perfectly fine.

But I'd recommend if you have the opportunity to watch this on our YouTube as well, because he does bring up a few different things that he's demonstrating on screen.

I highly recommend watching it.

Yeah, at least that little part.

Yeah, they're very interesting.

Yeah, they are.

So I'm going to give you a list of, because he didn't name all of his books, but I'm going to name them.

And I will make sure on our Facebook page, when this episode is released, to put links to each separate book on Amazon or barnes and Noble.

Okay, so his first one is Alien scriptures, extraterrestrials and the Holy Bible, A New World If You Can Take It, God, extraterrestrials and the Evolution of Human consciousness, God consciousness, A 30 Day Meditation Manual for God Conscious Thinking, The Metaphysics of Spiritual Healing and the Power of Affirmative Prayer, and he has a Handbook for Experiencers Initiation, The Spiritual Transformation of the Experiencer, and his recent work is a collection of sermons that's entitled Enlightenment, and they can all be purchased at Amazon and barnes and Noble.

That's awesome.

So if you're interested in learning more or just curious, I would suggest getting one, getting through it.

Yeah, guys.

He's got a lot to say.

And relish it while you can.

I don't know what to say anymore.

I'm completely...

It doesn't happen often.

Well, I mean, our guests do do that to us.

yes, they do.

Quite often.

I mean, because when you are, I mean, and I would imagine just listening to it, you're like, oh, you know, you guys have time to process this.

We have to keep going, which is sometimes hard when you're taking all this stuff in.

But no, he was fabulous.

He was.

Very kind, very kind man.

yes, he is.

I can see why he's a good reverend.

Absolutely.

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