Ghost Appears on Thanksgiving - The Geneva Train Disaster

In this chilling and historical episode of Generation X Paranormal, co-hosts Logan and Nicole take listeners on a journey through two fascinating stories of tragedy and spectral intrigue. This video podcast combines haunting visuals, expert storytelling, and in-depth research to uncover the eerie connections between history and the supernatural.

The podcast shifts to a peculiar ghost story from Thanksgiving Day in 1902. A mysterious screaming entity reportedly appeared to an oncoming train, warning them of an possible impending disaster. Logan and Nicole examine period newspaper clippings and folklore to piece together this bizarre tale.

The hosts delve into the catastrophic train wreck that devastated the small town of Geneva. Through vintage photographs, maps, and eyewitness accounts, Logan and Nicole reconstruct the tragedy and explore its lingering paranormal phenomena. Could the ghostly apparitions seen near the old tracks be the spirits of those who perished that day?

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He was dedicated employee for 20 years, cared about his job.

He did it.

You know, it's like he's a grade A employee, basically, is what they're saying.

Who would be the one out of the three to come back and warn another engineer and another fireman, hey, stop the train?

Oh, there's no question.

And they did stop.

That's the thing.

They did stop.

So was there something that was about to happen that if they would not have stopped, could have derailed that train?

Generation X Paranormal.

Well, hey, everybody, welcome back.

Hey, everybody.

Generation X Paranormal, I'm Logan.

And I'm Nicole.

So we're gonna get started with a little side story of mine.

I went to the dentist yesterday.

And-

Emergency.

Yeah, emergency dentist.

And let me tell you something, you could stick me in any place that's paranormal, I mean, whether it's got ghost, cryptids, you could literally put, you know, Chupacabra on my lap.

And I would much rather deal with that than the dentist.

I don't think so.

I mean, I would.

I think if we put him in a house full of haunted dolls, there'd be another story going on.

Yeah, if you guys know me and dolls, we've got a history.

But that being said, he's a good doctor.

And anyway, it was a rough night last night, but nonetheless, you know, crown and a filling later, here I am.

So anyway, the good news is this Thanksgiving time.

It is.

And it's a good thing that my teeth are fixed.

I can actually eat something.

That's true.

Because before, it wouldn't have worked out so good.

But with it being Thanksgiving, you know, we always try to do, you know, some kind of holiday celebration or episode or something like that.

Usually we have wrists or somebody like that on.

But with this particular holiday, I'll admit it's not one of my favorites.

There's a lot of reasons why I won't get into it too much.

But it's never been a high priority holiday for me.

But it is high priority for a lot of people.

And we would not be the show that we are if we didn't bring you a paranormal event.

Yes.

And it happens to involve this particular holiday.

Yes, it does.

So what did you find?

So I was searching.

I was like, I need to find a good story for Thanksgiving to share with everyone.

Absolutely.

So I found this article on the dead history.com.

Try that again.

history.com.

But whenever I go and you should always do this, by the way, when you're looking on the Internet and you find an article, you need to do your research to find out if it's actually true.

Don't just take it.

It was on the Internet.

It was on the Internet.

It was on the Internet.

It's got to be true.

Yeah.

So I don't ever do that.

You know, I do multiple searches, try to find multiple backup information before, especially sharing it with people.

So article.

Great story, right?

Fantastic story.

What you're about to tell you.

But I was like, OK, I'm going to do some research.

It ended up being true.

So it I went to the newspaper, which is it was shared that this was in an article in the newspaper.

OK.

And it was the edition of the Thursday, December 4th, 1902 newspaper.

Crazy.

Of the Salt Lake Telegram in Salt Lake City, Utah, that actually wrote this article.

Yeah.

About what?

Well, hang on one second.

You're going to see a little Batman come up here every now and then because she showed her head for a second.

For those of you who are not watching our dog made an appearance, one of them anyway.

But so what we found or what you found was in that in that particular article on Thanksgiving Day in 1902, a southbound train was nearing Geneva, New York.

Geneva is kind of kind of a smaller town.

Yes.

But it is entering Geneva, New York and came upon the Marsh Bridge.

And we got some pictures that we're going to show in the video.

And those of you listening, you can look it up there, too.

But as a train approached the bridge, the engineer and the fireman on board heard a piercing scream.

That's going to be loud to go over a train.

That's what I was just thinking.

I'm like, I don't know that I've ever been in an engine compartment of a train.

I've never been on a train.

Well, yeah, I mean, other than the one on Disneyland and stuff like that.

Yeah, I mean, they're still loud.

Well, yeah, like the zoo train, but I don't count that as a train.

Oh, I don't know.

Come on, ride the train.

No, anyway.

But you're right.

How would you hear that?

You know what I mean?

It has to be loud.

It has to be super loud.

Well, anyway, they looked up and they saw a white figure standing to the east of the bridge, frantically waving its arms.

That's that's interesting.

And for someone on the train, that would be like, stop.

Right.

Exactly.

So, of course, the engineer did what most people would probably do.

They brought the train to a stop.

And as he did so, they heard another scream and the phantom disappeared right before their eyes.

That's freaky.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, that's yeah, that would definitely have the what the F feeling right away.

Yeah, for sure.

But the two men got out of the train and inspected the track and the surrounding area for the piercing or for the screaming person, I should say.

And they didn't find it.

Nobody.

Nothing was out of place.

Everything was as you'd expect it to be.

And there was no sign of anything.

So they crossed the bridge.

They said, well, let's just keep going.

And then they heard it for the very final time.

So, of course, as they would, they go down the track and they're probably late as hell because, you know, they had to stop for this ghost.

Well, what they think might be a ghost, they just heard all this screaming, this thing disappears.

So when they get there, all the other conductors, all the other engineers and everything, you know, they're probably wondering what the heck took you guys so long.

And they're like, well, then they explain the whole thing we just talked about.

Well, what's funny and not so funny is that they had told them, the conductors, that there was actually an accident years prior on that bridge.

So the the story goes or the the folklore is that ever since that accident, there's been a shrieking phantom that is said to be spotted on the bridge every year on Thanksgiving.

Hmm.

See, here's the part where I'm a skeptic.

So I was like, OK, that would be a lot of accounts.

Yes, it would.

It sounds to me like it's like an urban legend.

That's where where I thought in the beginning, OK, this story may not be true.

Maybe there was not the story that they saw something with the story that there was an accident there.

OK.

So I'm like, people like to do that where they like.

Make maybe they see something and then they make up.

Oh, there's it's now this accident happened on Thanksgiving Day.

And every year it appears.

Right.

Right.

Well.

Part of it's true.

Part of it's not true.

Now, I don't know if every year they see something on Thanksgiving Day or not.

I mean, that I couldn't find any other accounts of it.

OK.

That doesn't mean that part's not true.

But the accident did exist.

However, it did not happen on Thanksgiving Day, nor did it happen even close to Thanksgiving Day.

Bum bum bum.

Not within the same month.

So, yes, these people saw it on Thanksgiving Day.

So my guess is that it's just appearing.

OK.

Maybe the circumstances have to be right for it to appear, right?

Maybe there.

Well, and there's a reason I say that.

November is a month, typically, at least, you know, in most places.

Right.

Where it's fall, it's getting a lot of of precipitation, right?

And that leads a little credence to what happened in the past for the accident.

Sure.

And so I'm thinking maybe now I couldn't find any weather reports.

Right.

That anything major happened around that time in 1902 that would lend to something coming back as a warning to stop.

Don't cross the bridge.

Like it didn't sound like there was any flooding or anything like that going on where they would they they needed to protect the train.

What's funny, guys, is that she was looking this stuff up and in her mind.

And what she kept saying was, I don't think they give a crap about what the weather was like.

In 1902, they just lived their lives.

Like now we like obsess over it.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, I don't know what our mothers would do if we didn't have like weather to look at or, you know, you know, it's going to be cold tomorrow.

Yes, we know.

Yeah.

So I couldn't find it.

Like, I don't think, you know, it's probably normal conditions.

Right.

But I think it's interesting.

So, yes, these people say they saw this in 1902.

I don't know if every year on Thanksgiving Day or not, people see it.

If you do, and you've ever seen this, please contact us because I'm curious about that.

Right.

But I do know for a fact, and I mean, it is 100 percent fact that it did not.

The accident did not happen on Thanksgiving Day.

OK.

So what what do we know?

I spent so much time she did on this, and I went, you know, way back and there were in in that time period.

You got to think the railroads are just beginning.

OK, between the time of this accident, which happened in the year of 1873.

Right.

OK.

So the railroads are just beginning, you know.

Not everything is stable like it should be.

You're getting your first, you know, engines and all that stuff.

Sure.

Coming up, all your locomotives.

It's very treacherous travel.

You think about especially winter time with all the snow and stuff.

And you're you're an upstate, you know, East Coast.

Yeah.

Right.

A lot of weather, a lot of snow.

There were so many accounts because in this article, in this dead history article, she mentions this.

But at first I couldn't find it.

It took a very long time.

And I kept finding all these other accounts of things happening very similarly to this, but nowhere near Geneva.

So I was like, well, maybe somebody took a story from a different location.

And applied it to this location.

And that's what happened.

But then I hit a really good key word.

And I finally found the actual accident that happened in Geneva.

So it did actually happen.

I don't actually remember.

But I know it's what found.

And then it led me to all the other stuff.

So yes, this did happen.

And it's a very sad story.

But it's not the only account of things like this happening.

It actually happened a lot back then.

Sure.

And you know, you look at...

You kind of mentioned it before.

We didn't have engineering like we do now.

No.

Oh, it was steam engines.

Right, it was steam engines.

That's number one.

Number two, maybe number two.

It could be fluctuating between one and two.

Who were these railroads built by?

Most of the time, it's sad to say, it was indentured servants, immigrants of some sort.

Right.

And I mean, I'd like to think that anybody would do the best they could.

But if you were in that kind of conditions and you were under restraint, I mean, who knows, you know, you weren't, they definitely weren't operating at max capacity, and they probably made some mistakes.

And well, maybe, I mean, but I don't think it.

I mean, they actually built things well.

It's just the ability to get the stuff to build the bridge and the manpower and a lot of people got killed in the middle of it.

I mean, it just, you know, but the technology was not up to where, you know, railroads are still dangerous.

I mean, it doesn't matter, which is probably why I've never been on a train as of yet.

I still would like to experience it.

But I mean, it's kind of a scary way of traveling.

I mean, I know we get in airplanes all the time when we fly in the middle of the sky, which still scares me a little bit.

Yes.

But it's still safer than riding on a train.

That is true.

Yeah.

Well, anyway, let's get back to the story.

So I'm going to list these now because as I tell this story, it goes in between all these different newspapers.

Okay.

And I'm not going to list every single one, but I do have some copies of the articles that we're going to throw up here as I'm speaking about it.

Okay.

Because and you can, you know, freeze frame and look into it if you're on the video.

So the information that I did find was from two different papers.

Okay.

The first one is the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle from Monday, March 31st of 1873.

Okay.

The Democrat and Chronicle, Rochester, New York from Monday, March 31st, 1873.

Okay.

And the Democrat and Chronicle, Rochester, New York from Tuesday, April 1st, 1873.

So as you see, it's as the story is progressing.

So March 31st to April 1st.

Right.

Basically.

That makes sense.

So here we go.

Strap in.

Yes.

Strap in.

I'm going to break it down.

There's a lot of rain.

Yes.

Okay.

It started raining and raining and raining.

And that started on Friday of March 28th, 1873.

And it rained for 24 hours straight.

Yikes.

And I found out that it actually snowed before this.

Oh, so extra moisture.

So you know what happens.

At least we do because we live in the Midwest.

If it snows before it rains, the rain will usually melt the snow.

And then that just adds to the amount of water that you have.

Big old soggy mess.

You got 20, you got snow, and then you got 24 hours of rain.

We know what happens when that happens.

Yes.

Okay.

So up there, they've got two rivers, and I hope that I can pronounce these correctly.

Okay.

Okay.

It's the Chimung and the Kohokan.

Sounds like Native American names for rivers.

Yeah.

So the water that I'm going to be speaking about basically flows into these two rivers.

These are the two rivers that it flows into.

And what happened is they reached their, they crested.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

And when a river crests like that, the water builds and backs up into other areas, and that's what actually floods things.

They don't typically crest either like that day.

It takes.

No, it takes.

It takes time.

And like I said, this the rain began on Friday.

The accident didn't happen till Saturday.

Okay.

So this is going on.

So you've got to and this is not the only.

Well, this is the only bad accident, but there were other trains involved in this, not in the same area, but along this track.

Okay.

So it was it was like a massive, massive problem.

It was a transportation issue.

Yeah, for this area.

Okay.

For sure.

Yeah.

Okay.

So I'm going to talk about there was a a dispatch received.

Okay.

At 2 p.m.

on Saturday from a passenger train number 33 on Auburn Road.

Okay.

Okay.

Now, the Auburn Road, apparently, I mean, it's still something.

They still use that railroad track.

They call it something differently now.

But I guess it's recognized as one of the oldest railroads still operating in America.

Geez.

Okay.

So it was a significant one.

It left Syracuse, New York at 7 45 p.m.

on Saturday evening.

Okay.

Okay.

So after this dispatch, you know, at 2 p.m., no more were received that night.

Okay.

Okay.

And they think it's because the wind and the rain, like, you know, and all the stuff going on, basically made the telegraph poles fall down.

And so they couldn't receive anymore.

So there's no communication going on after after 2 p.m.

Right.

And honestly, weather will.

It will have an impact on that technology of that time.

Yeah.

But at this time, yeah, the telephone poles are just falling over because the wind and the rain were so bad.

So the accident, here's the accident.

Yikes.

It.

So when I looked this up, OK, I had no idea what the I knew it had to be some kind of measurement, but I didn't know what it was because we're talking 1873, right?

You got other words for things.

So it occurred about 60 rods.

OK, so I'm like, OK, what's a rod?

So I googled it.

A rod is a unit of measurement that is equal to 16.5 feet.

OK, I think it is like an obscure, weird.

That is a very arbitrary number.

So I translated this so it make a little bit more sense to us.

OK, so 60 rods, which is equal to 16.5 feet, OK, which is 990 feet or 0.1875 miles east of Geneva.

So very close to Geneva, extremely close.

I said it's close, but I'm like, it's 60 rods away from Geneva.

I'm like, what's that mean?

Yeah, so it's 0.1875 miles east of Geneva.

What's funny, guys, is she when she was doing the research of this, I was on the couch in our living room.

I could hear her in her office going, honey, what's a rod?

And in my mind, I'm like, what in the hell are you looking up?

I'd never heard that before.

So I had to figure it out.

So very close.

I mean, it's almost within half a mile.

OK, so very, very close.

So the trains going along the track.

OK, this is another word I had to find.

Yes.

And for those of you who like Gold Rush and the gold shows or they're looking for gold, you'll know this one.

OK, but yeah, so it ran into a sluice.

Yes.

OK, and I'm going to describe this a little bit as I'm talking.

OK, OK, which was about 15 foot wide, through which a rivulet called the Marsh Creek flowed into the canal and from that into Seneca Lake.

OK, OK, and I'm guessing the lake then into the rivers.

OK, sure.

Yeah, you got all that water.

OK, now the creek did not pass under the road through a culvert, but through two.

So this is the sluice I'm talking about.

OK, two upright walls of masonry.

Oh, cross the embankment, generally 10 to 12 feet apart.

OK, so it just makes sense of.

Yeah, so it's basically like nastiness.

Right.

It's just holding the water in there.

So that's the sluice.

OK, so the trains going across the sluice, it's above the tracks.

Right.

So what happens when you drive your car into a big puddle?

You see, well, you hide your plane for sure.

Yeah, so it's basically kind of like that type of situation is from what I understand.

So heavy beams are laid from one side to the other, on which the track for the railroad is set.

Yes.

OK, so you've got upright and then you go across and then the tracks on cross beams.

Yeah.

So the early form of a bridge.

Sure.

Yeah.

Kind of.

But the water is too high.

Yes.

OK.

Now, here's the problem.

The water probably washed the clay because they put clay behind the walls.

Right.

So the water probably washed that clay out.

Sure.

So when the weight.

So it was fine until the weight from the train came over the top of it.

And then it just collapsed everything.

Big ol house of cards.

Yeah.

Most likely, they think, I mean, it would make sense that the train was going slower because of the condition of the track.

OK.

And when you slow something down, the weight doesn't go over it fast.

It's there for longer.

And they said it just gave away the moment that it went across it.

And they said from witness statements, the gap was probably about 50 foot wide after they collapsed.

Even if you're hauling ass on that thing and you hit that sluice, I don't care if you're doing 50 miles an hour, you're there.

Yeah.

But it made it even worse because it gave all that weight.

It was just trying to hold it up.

And you got clay and you got...

I mean, it was a perfect storm.

Sadly, I think their fate was sealed.

Yeah.

OK.

So now it's collapsing 50 foot wide.

So the locomotive is in the very front.

Yes.

OK.

So it's number 47 is carrying Tinder.

OK.

Tinder.

So I know a lot of Googling.

OK.

So Tinder is a coal car.

Yes.

OK.

That carries the fuel and water for the steam locomotive.

OK.

They need this to keep running long distances because they use a lot of water compared to fuel.

Absolutely.

OK.

So the locomotive and the Tinder and the baggage car.

OK.

We're thrown into the opening and completely submerged into the water.

Wow.

Now there was an eyewitness on the train, one of the passengers, OK, said, quote, The locomotive was standing in water up to the headlight and the top of the smokestack about level with the road bed.

The Tinder was flung forward across the chasm over the submerged engine and against the opposite bank.

The baggage car was also thrown forward.

It pitched partway down, remaining at an angle of about 45 degrees.

You know, there's so many scary things that you just said.

But one of the things that I think a lot of people may or may not realize is these things are running on coal.

It's all steam based.

Well, if you've ever seen these things, they are piping hot to get going.

I mean, if you ever watch, you know, back to the future, the guys are like, if I can get it hot as the as the blazes of damnation, I can get it anyway.

It gets really hot.

So if it hits this water, it's exploding.

Yeah.

I mean, it's not just you're running a ground in the water.

This thing probably ignited like a bomb.

Well, no, no, I guarantee you it.

Well, maybe it did.

I don't know if there's I don't know if it's.

I mean, I mean, I'll be reported.

But now the other cases I was talking about that I had researched, there were some really bad instances with the steam trains that happened to the people.

And thankfully, that did not happen here.

Right.

It still wasn't great.

But anyway, so the passenger coaches were fine.

They stayed on the track.

Right.

Now, there was, I think they said the drawing room car was on the edge.

So it's like the first three kind of fell in and it's just kind of teetering.

And the other passenger cars were up where they could see all this in front of them.

So how terrifying would that be?

Geez.

Now, in the locomotive, OK, the engineer and the firemen are always in the locomotive because they're steering the train.

They're taking care of everything.

Right.

So we've got two men.

And I really didn't want to tell this story by just saying these two guys and this happened.

I thought it was important that when you're talking about, especially paranormal, you're talking about history, right?

You need to put a story to these people because they're human beings.

Right.

And you got to find out why they could possibly find a reason to come back and do something.

Okay.

So we've got an engineer.

His name is Ignatius Buelti.

Okay.

I think that's how you say it.

And fireman Augustus Sippl.

Okay.

So at this point, they're missing.

Okay.

Okay.

Nobody can see them.

No way.

Anything like that.

Right.

Yeah.

As the rescue mission is coming, they took all the passengers and transferred them to Geneva and put them up in a hotel or in the village closest to wherever they are, if there's a village between there and there.

This whole thing that happened became known as the Geneva disaster.

Yeah, I could see that.

And I find out that if you search Geneva disaster, you're going to be taken to something that happened in Switzerland.

So don't look at that.

Oh, yeah, Geneva disaster, sure.

OK, yeah.

OK, so that's what made it so difficult to find, is because everything is referred to that and not this.

Sure.

Because it's only mentioned once in like a tiny little newspaper article.

It was 1902, you know, I mean.

No, this is 1873.

Yeah, you're right, 1873.

That's even better.

So you're going way back.

Wow.

OK, now we're all the way to Sunday at this point, OK, which is the next day.

But I mean, you think about at that point in time, they have horses.

They don't really have right.

Anything else to.

Yeah, there's no chopper going over.

Yeah.

Clear this away and get all this taken care of.

So there was a dispatch sent from Seneca Falls at 3 p.m.

on Sunday that stated that the engineer, Ignatius Boelte's body was recovered.

OK, this is earmuffs.

If there's children listening, OK.

Sunday morning, I guess, after daylight, he was found in the cab of the submerged locomotive, embedded and completely covered with coal and cinders between the engine and tender.

And the only reason they found him was because one of his feet was sticking out.

So that's how they knew he was there.

They said he was mangled in a, quote, fearful manner.

His body had both legs broken.

This is from the corner.

Sure.

OK.

Body had both legs broken.

Badly mangled about the abdomen and hips and a contusion on the temple.

His face was not disfigured.

And oddly, there was a smile upon his face.

A smile.

So the only thing I kept thinking was, you know how sometimes people are, like, killed so instantly that whatever is, you know, is happening at that moment stays in their body?

Like, you know, maybe he was laughing at a joke or something.

That's the only thing I can think of.

I mean, I mean, I don't know.

But there's also cases of people that as they're dying, that they see loved ones or something and they smile.

Right.

Those are the only two instances I can think of.

Why?

Because obviously, I would think the way this happened, it had to have been almost instant.

Don't you?

Well, I would hope to God that I hope so, too.

But you're right.

You never know.

And, you know, the brain, when it's when it when it's firing, they can do so many different things.

So we don't know for sure.

But the fact that they were moving slow, I don't know.

I hope I hope it was quick.

But I'm guessing that whatever it was was pretty bad.

Just humor me and say, say it was fast because I can't think about that.

Yeah, it was fast.

Mm hmm.

Yeah.

Now they found his pocket watch and it was still running and it had the correct time.

So it didn't mess up his pocket watch.

It did that to his body, but his pocket watch was fine.

It's so weird when things like that happen.

It is weird.

I mean, I don't know if the metal around it protected it.

It's just weird because it was in his pocket.

Yeah, not with that kind of weight.

Yeah, I don't know.

It's odd.

Now, like I said before, I dug to find out who this person was because he's not just an engineer that died.

No, he's a human being.

He's a human being that had a family that loved him and I wanted to find out his story.

So he was a German immigrant, okay?

And he had been employed as an engineer on the Central Road for 20 years.

Something in the, someone in the paper basically quoted someone that knew him said, he was an exemplary citizen and a man for whom the greatest respect was entertained both by his associates on the road and by the large number of the residents of Rochester with whom he was acquainted.

And I thought that was a really nice quote.

Now he did leave a wife and family of five children behind.

The youngest was eight years old.

Man, that sucks.

That's sad.

Yeah.

Now I did was able to find I went on Ancestry and I did find an old.

No, it's obviously not a photograph.

It's you know how they did the oil painting.

Yeah, I did find a picture of him.

So we're going to put it up on this episode.

So Ignatius Welte is buried in the Holy Sepulcher.

Is that how you say that?

Sepulcher, sepulcher.

I don't know Catholic stuff.

Sepulcher cemetery in Rochester, New York.

So I've got a picture of his gravestone as well.

So it's on here.

So he was a human being.

This actually happened.

This person existed.

Right.

And for those of you who are listening, you can either watch the video or also put it on our faith or on our socials and probably on Patreon, too.

Now, before we move on to the next step, I would think if this, you know, he was a veteran of the railroad company 20 years, he really cared about his job.

He did it, you know, to the letter.

He was a German immigrant.

So, you know, he was working harder than anyone to try to make a living here in the United States.

And he is trying to provide for his family.

He would care about his job.

Yeah, you bet.

So if there's someone coming out of the people that I'm talking about here, that lost their lives, if anyone showed themselves on the tracks, I think this is the person that it would have been.

So this is our...

I think this is our ghost.

Okay.

Because if something, you know, maybe as a warning, and maybe there was nothing gonna happen to that train in 1902, but his memory is still tied to what happened to him.

And maybe he's like, don't come over this bridge.

Hmm.

Okay.

Well, we'll break it down a little bit here in a minute.

I've got definitely my thoughts on that too.

Well, I just wanted to say, like, there's, there's three people we're gonna mention here.

Right.

But he's the one, I think that it would be if it was any of the three.

I don't disagree.

Okay.

So his is kind of the, well, it's not the saddest, actually, but they're all sad.

But it's, it's the leaving of the, all those family members behind that bothers me the most.

Okay.

So now we're to Sunday at 6:30 p.m.

So there's another dispatch from Paul Myra this time on 6.30, at 6:30 p.m.

Sunday that said, quote, the water has been very high and the track submerged to the depth of three feet, but the water is falling fast and is now but one foot deep on the track, which has been washed away some and is in bad condition.

The work train is making repairs and is thought that trains will run by morning.

There are six trains lying on the main track.

So remember when I said earlier, this is not the only accident that happened.

This is just where people lost their lives.

I think, you know, they just probably degree a little bit.

I don't know that a lot happened along this whole Auburn road.

Sure, there may have been other things, but this is like a massive one.

This is only mass casualty that, you know, yeah, yeah.

So now we're to Monday.

OK, OK, so Monday, March 31st, the body of fireman Augustus Sipple was found downstream in the canal.

Now there's two thoughts here.

They think either, you know, he got washed away or as this was happening, he jumped off the locomotive and then washed away.

So they don't know which it is, whether when the train broke apart, he just kind of got sucked out.

Yeah, six and one half a dozen, the other could have been other.

Yeah.

And there's no there's no specific witness that said they saw that.

But there's people like guessing that he jumped out.

But I'm thinking in the middle of falling, I that would take a lot.

My guess is he was killed in that general area and got washed away.

That's what I think, too.

Yeah.

Now, we're going to focus on Augustus here.

There's not a lot of information about him, and I figured out why.

And it took a long time to figure out why.

So he was born in Syracuse of German immigrants.

Okay.

So he was, you know, first year American.

Right.

Okay.

And he was only 19 when he died, which is why I couldn't find a lot on him.

He hadn't, you know, been involved in a lot of stuff.

But he left behind his parents.

He had not been married yet, anything like that.

So he was very young.

He is buried in the Oakwood Cemetery in Syracuse, New York.

Okay.

Yeah.

And then I don't remember if I found the gravestone on him.

I think I did.

And it's on here, but we'll put that on there.

Okay.

Now, I thought that was going to be the end of it, because in the article that I had originally found, it just talked about the two of them.

Right.

But then, you know, and I did, I didn't just like find little things and pick them out.

Like I read every single newspaper article from start to finish, because I'm like, they always, you know, can hold more information in there.

Ladies and gentlemen, she is the authority behind this particular story.

She's going to let you know right now.

Well, I got really into it because when it involves like, you know, human beings dying, it's like I want to do properly.

Right.

And that's the right thing to do.

Yes.

So at the end of one of these newspaper articles, they're talking about all this stuff.

And then there's just a tiny little paragraph that mentions, oh, by the way, there's a possible other person, this name of this guy that we think died here, but he wasn't on the train.

And so I was like, hmm, now I got to go digging some more.

This is why it took me forever.

So they said in the article, it's possible that a resident of Geneva by the name of Patrick Judd also lost his life after this accident of the train.

They said he is reported to have gone toward the scene in an intoxicated condition and hasn't been missing since that time.

So there's never any update on this Patrick Judd.

Nothing's ever said, I searched and searched and searched for days after, months after the newspaper article, nothing said about him again.

And I'm like, OK, they may not find his body, but if he's gone, he's gone.

You think there'd be something.

So I had to go searching for a Patrick Judd with no information whatsoever tied to anything but that area and that date, like a death date.

Right.

And you know how many Patrick Judds there are?

I was just thinking that.

In that time period.

How many could possibly be around?

Well, there's a lot because you're talking about a time when there's a lot of immigrants.

Sure.

They have very similar names.

OK.

OK.

And as I'm thinking, OK, he's probably he's intoxicated.

That was like, OK, he's probably older.

He's probably not a young kid.

You would think.

He's probably older.

So I run across military records.

Yeah.

So here we go.

I figured it out.

Patrick did exist.

He did die.

Now, I don't know if he was intoxicated, but most likely, but he somehow wandered near this area or was walking.

I don't know if he's walking under.

I don't know what happened near the water, what happened, but it took him out.

I think washed him away and killed him.

Sure.

And if he was intoxicated, it makes sense.

See, you know, he wasn't functioning well.

But I think I have a reason for the intoxication.

OK.

So Patrick was an Irish immigrant, OK, and he fought for the union in the Civil War.

OK.

In Company E of the New York Infantry.

Now, I did find a couple different things.

I found the muster roll.

We're going to put it up here.

And I also found an application for a headstone for him.

Oh, geez.

For the death date of this date.

For the time of the accident.

So it's the same.

It's got to be the same guy.

Now, he fought.

So I looked up, you know, that company of the New York Infantry.

And so in the time period that he was in the war, he would have been at Gettysburg.

Yeah.

Fought at Gettysburg and survived it.

So that's a big deal.

Sure.

And being a vet, you know, when you're when you're faced with those sort of things, you know, unfortunately, and I hate it, but that does come into play.

There's a lot of a lot of vets.

Anyway, people who have suffered a massive, you know, disaster, anything that they get PTSD and things like that.

And unfortunately, self-medicating is a pretty big thing.

Well, yeah.

And there's another reason for that.

He was also a prisoner of war.

There you go.

OK.

So he fought at Gettysburg, which we all know the devastation that happened there and what happened.

He was a prisoner of war.

He did receive a gold star.

Oh, OK.

And he was discharged from the war with a disability.

Yeah, I saw that.

So you're in eighteen hundreds.

Irish immigrant notices and he comes to this country, fights for us.

And he's probably not taking care of, you know.

It's just really sad.

And I think he did have a wife.

I don't know about kids, but.

He's probably, like you said, self-medicating, right, because he's in pain or whatever the story is.

And he wanders upon in the wrong place at the wrong time, basically, and gets killed.

Imagine the luck of that.

Can you imagine that?

I mean, he goes through Gettysburg and it goes to the Civil War and does not get killed.

And this is how he dies.

Yeah.

And so it was just really, really sad to me.

Now, I did find on the application for the headstone, usually they list the cemetery where it's going to be.

And all they listed was Catholic cemetery.

Okay.

So I had to look up the Catholic cemeteries in Geneva, New York.

And there's two, there's St.

Mary's and there's St.

Patrick's.

And when I went to each one of those cemeteries, you can search for people.

His name did not come up in either of them.

So I'm like, okay, thinking what is happening here?

Okay.

But his wife, I found his wife's name and I searched and she's buried in St.

Patrick's Cemetery.

So I'm guessing that's where he's at, too.

And maybe something happened to the headstone and they just don't know he's still there.

I don't know what the case may be.

But I'm going to guess that he's buried in St.

Patrick's Cemetery in Geneva, New York.

There's a very good chance of that.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

But I can't say for 100 percent certainty.

But that is my educated guess.

I would think so.

I mean, if they're Catholic, they're going to be buried most likely together because they're married.

I mean, it makes perfect sense.

So let's go back to our Thanksgiving Day ghost now that we know the story and what happened.

Let's break it down.

Three people.

That we know for sure now.

I'm going to guess you got a lot of years between 1873 and 1902.

There's probably more train wrecks, maybe not in that specific spot, but in that area.

So could we be talking about someone that we haven't even discussed?

Absolutely.

Sure.

But out of the three, you've got a vet that probably didn't even know where he was when he passed away.

You know, why would he care what the train was doing?

Is that enough reason for him to come back and stop the train?

Probably not.

Yeah, I don't I don't think so.

And I got to think, too, that and this may be a rough thing to say, but quality of life was probably not great for him.

No, but he doesn't have a tie to the railroad.

So he has no tie to it.

So, I mean, why would he want to hang around there?

Exactly.

Yeah.

And then the next one, the fireman.

OK, he young kid.

And while it's tragic and it's sad.

He was just starting out.

Yeah.

Would it be enough for him to want to?

To spend his time and come back possibly?

I mean, we can't say for sure.

That's why I said, I think it's the engineer.

He was dedicated employee for 20 years, cared about his job.

He did it.

You know, it's like he's a grade A employee, basically, is what they're saying.

Who would be the one of the three to come back and warn, warn another engineer and another fireman?

Hey, stop the train.

Oh, there's no question.

And they did stop.

That's the thing.

They did stop.

So was there something that was about to happen that if they would not have stopped, could have derailed that train?

I mean, they were able to continue on, so it doesn't seem like it, but we don't know.

Well, and then you got to think about this is real deep into the dimensions and things like that.

So, I mean, if if if the ghost does this whole interdimensional travel type thing, if if you buy into that sort of thing, maybe it's seeing something in the dimension that they're in.

That's not actually in existence.

I don't think so, because I think the the frantically waving its arms.

Yeah, no, I mean, in every movie you've ever seen, that's what they do.

They stand for the train.

Yeah.

And they wave their arms like that.

Yeah.

To get it to stop.

Yeah.

So that's why like it thinks like it's it's aware.

It's definitely not residual, because that wouldn't make it.

Now, just the screen, just the screen, maybe, would that I could see that being residual from the accident.

But the seeing some like a figure and the waving the arms.

Yeah.

I mean, I got to admit, it was always my first choice to for what the engineer.

Yeah, I think so.

You're right in the sense that, you know, he cared very deeply about his job.

He would have cared very deeply about the passengers.

I mean, it was his entire responsibility.

So he is probably going to have that, I guess, that same responsibility going forward.

And obviously, well, at least I would think in this case, this is not a residual.

No.

Which makes it even more interesting.

That's what I said.

The screaming could be, but the screaming tide was seeing the figure waving its arms.

That is definitely something trying to warn you.

Yeah.

I'd be awfully interested to find out what the geological thing is in that area.

Yeah, I don't know for sure.

Plus the running water.

Well, Laura, you got the running water.

Yeah.

Period.

Now, we do have a picture of the bridge currently.

Right.

But it's not in use anymore.

They don't really use it.

That and I'm sure it's been changed quite a bit.

It's changed.

I mean, they had to.

I mean, it's all raised up now.

Right.

For obvious reasons.

But it would not.

This is not the foot of what it would have looked like.

I mean, it would have been much lower.

And they've built up masonry and they've done change.

I'm sure the water flow has been changed.

Oh, yeah.

And all that stuff.

So you're going to look at this picture and be like, how did that happen?

Trust me, it's right.

Not the same.

Yeah, completely different.

So what do you think?

About what you think it's?

You think it's haunted?

I think, yes, it has a.

All the conditions are right for it.

I think it's very possible.

I mean, for them to write and think about this in 1902, for them to write a whole newspaper article about an engineer and fireman on a train seeing a ghost on the tracks.

That's true.

It had to be something that wasn't just like, and they didn't really do that back then.

Like that would be something you wouldn't talk about.

Well, then you'd scare the hell out of people trying to take the train.

So I think that that, what they reported, as far as those men seeing it, Ed, that did happen.

Sure.

Or at least they thought they did.

Yeah.

And for a scream, just for them to hear it over the train in the first place is significant.

I don't know that it happens every Thanksgiving day, they say, they say that, but I think that's part of the lore, you know, that stories get built up.

But I would be curious to know if it's ever been seen again or heard again.

But like I said before, I think it has to, the conditions have to be right.

Probably raining, most likely.

Well, and if there's no train that passes over that bridge anymore, it may, there may be nothing.

That's true.

Because the whole point of him being there was to save the train.

Well, that's where you guys come in.

Because we are not in Geneva, New York, or Geneva, Switzerland, either one of them.

Tell us, do you guys know about this story that are in that area?

What do you guys think?

I mean, it's very viable.

Yeah.

And if you're in that location, please reach out to us.

Let us know, hey, I know about this or hey, this is all a bunch of BS or whatever it is.

You know, it's not a bunch of BS because she spent forever researching this thing.

Well, the story, I mean, the accident happened.

Yeah, I know what you're saying.

My hope is that because there's not really any trains running over that anymore, that his soul is finally at rest and he has moved on.

And he doesn't feel the need to stay behind and watch out for the train.

He's no longer on watch.

No, because he, I mean, he did his duty.

And I can't even think about what happened to him.

It bothers me.

It's awful.

Well, guys, again, tell us what you think.

Leave your comments.

Oh, by the way, happy Thanksgiving.

Oh, yeah.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Go eat some turkey now.

But mostly, let's just, you know, for Thanksgiving, it's all about being thankful, being thankful for what you have, for the people in your life.

And more than anything, these paranormal stories are about living people that have passed.

Yeah.

The majority of them.

And so we don't want to focus on them after they're already gone.

Yeah.

So use this time.

And I know dinner with family sometimes is a challenging thing for people.

We personally love it.

You know, we get along with our family wonderfully.

So we have a good time.

But I know for others, it can be a huge challenge.

Yes.

But you can sacrifice that couple hours, spend time with them, because once they're gone, then you're spending a lot of money on extensive paranormal equipment to try to speak to them.

And we don't want that.

It's expensive.

Spend time with them while they're here.

For sure.

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