The Crescent Hotel Revisited, Nicole's First Episode! (Season 1, Episode 9 Remastered)

Journey back to the haunting halls of the Crescent Hotel in Eureka Springs, Arkansas. With Nicole’s first-ever appearance on the podcast, her captivating storytelling and Logan’s sharp commentary breathe new life into tales of spectral apparitions, phantom nurses, and lingering energies from its dark past. Whether you’re a long-time fan or a new listener, this reimagined episode promises an unforgettable deep dive into one of America’s most haunted locations.

Transcript

Hey everybody, I hope you're having a good holiday season.

You know we are, we're taking some time off as you guys know, but we don't want to leave you without any kind of content.

So what we decided to do was remaster a few episodes.

First one's going to be The Crescent Hotel, which you're about to listen to.

This one's really special for me and also for Nicole, because it was honestly, well, it was our first episode together.

Now truth be told, she'll tell you that I forced her into doing this, which I kind of did, but I knew she would have fun.

And I was really expecting her to not want to do it anymore.

But honestly, I think she had a little more fun than she thought she would.

So yeah, guys, so sit back, relax, enjoy this new remastered, because believe me, the first time around, it's still available, by the way.

You can look down into the previous episodes and find this.

You know, we were starting out, it had a bunch of background music.

It just didn't flow the way things do now.

As you would expect, first season, first couple of episodes.

But anyway, sit back, relax, enjoy the episode and see you soon.

Generation X Paranormal.

Hey everybody, welcome back to the show.

So, I know that there's a few changes, as you've seen, or may have not have seen.

There are some videos now that weren't there before.

They're available on Spotify.

They're also available on YouTube.

So if you look up the podcast, you know, Generation X Paranormal on YouTube, we have some video content out there.

It's nothing really about talking heads.

It's just kind of, you know, some raw footage and stuff like that.

But, you know, if you want to see something more visual instead of just listening to it, we definitely have that available now.

Today on the show, we're going to be talking about, well, two things, actually.

We're going to be talking about Eureka Springs, Arkansas and The Crescent Hotel.

And if you don't know what The Crescent Hotel is, look, there's no shortage of content out there from, you know, all the television ghost hunters type things to, you know, YouTube just absolutely destroyed with a ton of this stuff.

But we're going to do a little bit of a different look at it.

As you know, on this show, we like to bring forward facts.

We like to bring forward things that you can actually look at from a factual level instead of just, you know, well, it's scary and there's ghosts and it's spooky.

Well, yeah, that stuff's all present.

But, you know, we dive a little bit more into what could be causing it.

Getting started, I kind of want to go over Eureka Springs.

Eureka Springs is a really small town in northern Arkansas, and it's pretty eclectic.

There's a lot of what you would expect, an artisan type town where, you know, there's obviously there's artists, there's cultural things going on.

There aren't a lot of your mainstay shops.

It's mom and pop shops, mom and pop eateries, a lot of really cool hotels.

It's pretty awesome.

You know, there's definitely a focus on natural healing, natural spring waters.

In fact, that's a whole point in why they called it Eureka Springs, is there is a natural spring that, well, some people claim give you some healing properties.

The town has a lot of rich history.

I won't go too far into it in the show, but if you have a chance, you should look it up.

And if you are, and this is a big reach, if you're anywhere near the area, like if you find yourself in Springfield, Missouri, or Ozark, Missouri, even Branson, it's a fairly short drive south to get there.

Now, I say fairly short because getting there requires you to go through quite a few serpentine streets.

It's not a straight shot, so you're not going to stumble upon your Ecosprings, that's for sure.

Now, what I can tell you that's interesting is, I don't think there's a, I don't think I remember seeing like a fast food chain there.

I don't think there's any, I don't think there's any chilies or any Applebee's, that's for sure.

Don't think I ever saw any Walmart.

I don't think any of that stuff exists.

It is literally just a very quaint town, a lot of cool shops.

And yeah, if you get a chance to go there, it's pretty awesome.

I wouldn't skip it if you're in the area.

Now, I've got a really special guest today.

This would be my wife, Nicole.

And you know, we, I think our first date was, our first road trip for sure was in Eureka Springs, right?

Yeah, we stayed in an Airbnb.

Yeah, an Airbnb in that place was called Arsenic and Lace, right?

Yeah, I don't even know if that place is around anymore, do you?

I mean, they were pretty old people, I shouldn't say it that way.

They were an older couple, so hopefully they're okay.

But if they are and they're still open, you should go there, it's pretty cool.

There's a lot of history, I'm sure with that too.

But what was your impression when you first got to Eureka Springs?

I know you've been there before we did or we went, but what did you think of it?

It was a really nice little town up in the hills, very artistic, had lots of little shops.

We went in the winter, so it was really cold and didn't get to see a lot the first time.

It sure was.

I know it was different than any place I had ever been.

Yeah, that's for sure.

It's definitely cold during the winter.

I don't know that I would want to be there if it like ice is over or something like that.

No, because the roads are really hilly and steep in certain places.

Yeah.

Yeah, and it's funny because to get up to the place we're going to talk about here in just a minute, if I remember right, it's a pretty steep road to get up to the Crescent Hotel.

It's incredibly steep.

Yeah, I remember that.

And narrow.

And narrow.

Now, wasn't there a shop there that you used to go to a lot or one of the, I forgot what it was called.

My favorite shop?

Yeah.

The Essential Oil Shop.

That's right.

The Essential Oil Shop.

Yeah.

It's by a lady that used to live where we live and she moved to Arkansas.

Such trick and start using some of the CBD oil and stuff in her products.

Yeah.

If you guys didn't know, CBD won't go in too much of that because it could be a little risque for some, but it does have a lot of healing properties and I definitely believe in that.

But yeah, that's a pretty cool shop.

Wasn't there like a retail thing too?

Maybe it's closed now.

I can't remember.

Like Earthbound or Earth something.

Yeah.

I'm an Earthy person, so it was one of those tech shops.

But they're all on Main Street, which is the main drive-thru town.

So you find all the hotels and the restaurants and the little shops all along that Main Street, and you can park and walk to all of them.

It kind of has like this L shape, right?

The whole Main Strip, like you come in and then it doglegs to the left.

If I remember right.

So I kind of want to bring back that shop, the healing shop, the essential shop.

What was that called again?

Essential shop.

There you go.

That's pretty easy to figure out, I guess.

But anyway, so what do you like about?

What's some of the cool stuff?

Well, they're actually closed at the current moment because they are remodeling, but they're about to open back up and they're expanding.

But classically, they offered herbal soaps, potteries, body care all harvested from the Ozarks.

But I think they're going to go into my teas and body care tinctures, herbal products, incense.

I think they're going to sell some Arkansas Quartz and chocolates.

We'll have to take a trip back down there.

Yeah.

Let's say open back up.

But the owners are really caring people.

If you have some ailment, they will work with you and do what they can to recommend certain products that can help you.

Cool.

Yeah, I remember going there.

Yeah, I've got some knee problems and some ailments at my age, and having been through the things I've been through in the military and stuff.

But I know some of the CBD stuff that she's given you or you've purchased there have really helped.

So yeah, that's pretty good stuff.

So kind of going back a little bit about where we stayed.

To be honest with you, when we first went, I don't remember us making a conscious thought to go to the Crescent at first.

I think we were just, we knew it was there.

And we didn't stumble upon it, but I don't think we didn't venture to Eureka Springs just with the intent to go to the Crescent Hotel, right?

No, I think it was recommended.

You know, when you go to an Airbnb, they usually give you the, you know, recommendations in the town that you're staying in.

And that was one of them, because they offer nightly ghost tours.

Yeah.

And so we were like, oh, that would be really cool.

So, yeah, we kind of snowed in to be able to do anything else.

So we're like, okay, that would be something we could do.

Yeah.

And I remember, if I remember right, there was an older gentleman, which we'll get into a little bit later, but I think I remember calling him up.

And I want to say the tour was a little on the pricey end, but I remember we got like a really good deal for a military discount, didn't we?

I don't remember.

It's been so long ago.

As folks, if I won't get into too much, but we've been married for quite a while.

So it was a while ago.

But anyway, so my thought was to kind of get into a little bit of the history of the Crescent Hotel before we get into the obligatory paranormal stuff, which we'll definitely cover, but just kind of want to go a little bit about the hotel itself.

So my writer, my wife's very good at bringing all the information together for me, because to be honest with you, I'm probably too sporadic and wouldn't really be able to get it all together.

So she's a tremendous amount of help.

But anyway, so the Crescent Hotel, it was built in 1886, and I guess it was a resort for the rich and famous, right?

In the beginning, yes.

In the beginning.

And I guess it fell in a disrepair for a while.

And I guess in, it's like in 1908, it was reopened as a college and a conservatory for young women.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I would say that's pretty interesting.

But anyway, so we did that for a while, then it closed in 1924, reopened again in 1930s junior college.

So I guess it's got a lot of history in being an education spot.

But at any rate, it closed.

And then in 1937, that's when things take a bit of a turn.

Yeah, I would say so.

It's so kind of going through some of the history of this place.

There was a movement, and I know that Kellogg did it too.

There was, I think he had a retreat where people would go there and try to heal them.

And there was all this great panacea and stuff like that going on.

And I can't remember what his first name was.

I want to say it's Clark, but I don't think that's right.

I think it's a basketball player.

But Kellogg had it.

And there's a really good movie, and I think Anthony Hopkins plays Kellogg in that.

But any rate, well, this guy was no Kellogg and sure was no Anthony Hopkins.

That is Norman G.

Baker.

So Norman G.

Baker.

Yeah.

This guy, I guess, tried to pass himself off as a doctor, right?

Yeah.

Well, he could said he could heal, and he made the people think that they couldn't trust natural medicine and that they were just all out for profit.

Right.

And so basically, he was a snake salesman.

Oh yeah, he was a snake oil salesman for sure.

Yeah, I think that if you're looking, I'm looking at this stuff, and you said that he was a millionaire inventor and a radio personality.

Yeah, there wasn't a lot of information on that.

Just that he had tried that, I guess, before he tried this.

He was just out to whatever he could do to make some money.

Yeah, and to make matters worse, he did not have a license for practicing medicine, right?

No.

Yeah.

I think it says, you said he was ran out of Iowa, which I have some Iowa listeners, but I also got some friends in Iowa.

So, Nick, good job in running him out.

So this guy, Norman Baker, I guess he would charge the families lots of money and they sent them through the mail.

But I find this part interesting that patients who came for the treatment to the Baker Hospital were promised that if their cancer wasn't cured in three weeks, or three to six weeks, I should say, they could return for more treatment for free.

I got a feeling not a lot of people came back, right?

No.

It was just his way of covering up all the people that died.

Yeah.

I mean, I'd say they never came back because they never left.

Well, and I think he typically preyed on those that didn't have a lot of family that checked in on them.

So, you know, he'd get them there and get money from the family that was still alive, usually far, far away.

Right.

And then they would die.

And sometimes the family never knew about it.

Yeah.

And I think they would just keep sending money, right?

Yeah.

And he just collected the profits.

Geez.

And, you know, having...

I guess we should open up with saying that we have actually been there.

And we took the ghost tour.

And I didn't want to go too far into the ghost part of it just yet, but when you take a full tour of this, one of the places they take you to is the morgue.

Creepy.

Yeah.

Super, super creepy.

And this, we were there before they redid the whole basement, remember?

Yeah.

In fact, that's a good point, because when we went back about a year, man, I think it's been longer than that.

Well, it was before COVID, so...

Right.

Yeah.

So before COVID, we went there, and they had completely renovated the downstairs basement to, I mean, it's supposed to be a place, I think a sanctuary for like...

It's in a spa.

Yeah, it's a spa.

You're right.

It's absolutely a spa.

And I don't know.

I mean, I feel weird saying this, but there's no way I could ever be comfortable in that place, because, you know, just adjacent to you was a morgue.

Well, maybe people that have never seen the way we saw it could be comfortable, because it's very fancy.

It's very, I'm sure it's very nice and relaxing.

But we were there while it was under renovation, and there was nothing but concrete walls and wetness coming down from the sky.

I remember the for sure.

And like, you know, the drink plastic.

Yeah.

You know, that's like blowing in the breeze, all the creepy vibes that you see in a horror movie, and then they lead you back to the morgue room.

Gosh, I forgot all about those drapes.

Well, I kept waiting for something to pop out of the...

I remember that.

Yeah.

I remember that well.

And I think one of the memories that stand out the most for me is, you know, you go down there, and there was people or there were construction workers there at the time.

And if I remember right, their meal plates that they had just finished eating were set on what they would probably think was a sink.

It was far from a sink.

You remember that?

Yeah.

I had forgotten about that.

So yeah, folks, there was a, well, an L-shaped kind of...

Well, it's not a sink.

No, yes.

It's not a sink.

So, you know, not to make light of it.

I know we're laughing a little bit, but, you know, unfortunately, this is where the embalming table is right, because there was like a trap.

And I remember looking at it, and I remember saying to you, I think this is not a sink, because there was like a...

I know, I have a medical background, that there was a, what they call a blood trap, where when you cut into people, and there's a natural grade to the stainless steel, and there's a blood trap.

And I remember telling you, I think that's what this is.

Well, the part I remember is the tour guide asked, does anybody know what this is?

And you spoke up and said, oh, it's an embalming table.

And I just remember the rest of the people on the tour looking over at us, and their faces just got a pale white, and they took a couple stiff back.

Yeah, I remember that.

Because then the freezer is just a few feet, like where he kept the bodies, five feet away from that.

And the freezer, yeah, so if the freezer, man, that's just scary, because when you open the door to this thing, there are shelves, and you say to yourself, okay, yeah, well, the freezer has shelves.

Of course, you're going to put meat products, anything you want frozen, you're going to want to have on shelves.

But it wasn't exactly for a head of lettuce.

No, this is where he would, and I don't know if he did it himself, but he's probably nutso enough that he probably did, but he would sever parts and put them there for some kind of scientific, well, not that he was a scientist, but to research on.

Well, he says he was researching.

We don't know how much researching.

He kept parts in bottles, which we'll get to later.

Yeah, for sure.

He had to research them in that adjacent room on the shelves, remember?

To prove to society that he was looking for a cure.

If he was looking for something, I don't know that it was much of a cure.

But so with this Mr.

Baker, right?

What happened to him?

I don't really remember.

I know you did a lot of research, so you're probably a little better suited with that.

Well, I don't know for sure, but I think, you know, they started to notice that people aren't actually leaving the facility.

It's like, from what I understand, the majority of the people died.

Jeez.

And I'm not sure what he did with the bodies, if they buried them out back or he cremated them in some way, shape, form.

I don't remember that part of the story.

I think it was a combination of both, actually.

Yeah, possibly.

But I know he did a lot of experiments on these people in the actual rooms, like the hotel rooms that people stay in now.

In the basement, of course, that's where he cut them all to pieces after they were dead.

We hope they were.

Body parts and jars and Lord knows what was happening.

But I think eventually, maybe a family caught on that they were sending all this money and weren't hearing from their loved ones and.

Sure.

Yeah.

But he actually got convicted of mail fraud.

Mail fraud.

Probably because of the checks.

Probably.

Yeah.

I mean, that's all track.

You can track all that.

They were federal charges were filed against him in 1940.

And he spent four years in prison after that.

Well, unfortunately, it's not the reason he should have gone to prison.

That's for sure.

No.

He was quite the character, to say the least.

And, you know, of course, his time there at Eureka Springs after that ended, right?

Do we know what happened to him after the...?

I don't know what happened to him, but as far as owning the Crescent Hotel.

Okay.

No.

Well, and then, of course, in 1997, it looks like there was another purchaser.

It looks like Marty and Elise...

I really won't know how to pronounce this and I'm really sorry.

I'm going to say it's Ronick, maybe?

And I'm terribly sorry if I'm butchering that, but so they purchased it in 1997 for 1.3 million.

And I guess they had a six-year restoration of that.

So if I remember right, it burnt down, right?

Yeah, I think in 1967, it was almost burned to the ground.

Wow.

So imagine that you're putting down that amount of money on a property that's completely destroyed.

That's a heck of a lot of faith in your ability to bring it back to restoration, but they did.

And the building was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 2016.

They did sell it though because Marty, one of the owners died in a car crash in 2009.

And I guess the wife remained the current owner, right?

Yeah.

Okay.

Good deal.

So now we're going to kind of shift gears just a little bit because, you know, you get a general sense of the history of the place.

I mean, it's got anywhere from being a school for young ladies, to a college, to junior colleges, to the absolute worst place on earth.

Am I missing any other ones?

Fake Cancer Hospital?

Yeah, Fake Cancer Hospital.

That's a good way to call it.

So obviously, if you're looking at a property, you're in a property that has that much history of, now let's call it what it is, death, dismemberment and things like that, it's bound to have some kind of, some kind of property paranormal impact on it, right?

I would imagine so.

I mean, people were living there.

Yeah.

So, until the end of their days.

Yeah, can you imagine how horrible it was?

I know.

So one of the things we, well, we talked about a little bit in the beginning was the jars that Mr.

Baker used to keep body parts in.

And there was a nice little surprise in 2019.

You want to talk a little bit about that one?

Well, I remember because we get some news from Arkansas because we live in southern Missouri.

So I remember when they found it.

So I guess they were doing, I don't know why they were digging, but there was some kind of archaeological dig behind the hotel.

Yeah.

And they found what they called the Secret Bottle Grave in the ground.

Sounds awful.

Obviously, they knew right away probably what it was.

Sure.

And they found more than 400 glass bottles of Baker's secret formula jars.

They said that they were medical specimens that had been surgically removed from patients.

And they think it's been preserved in alcohol, basically.

And it's not just speculation.

There were advertisements that he would put out for his hospital that had pictures of the jars that he would prove that, look, I'm researching this, this is how I'm finding out how to cure cancer and cure this and cure that.

And so they took the bottles that they found in the ground and then compared them to, you know, they had some in the hotel, I guess, hanging on the wall.

Sure.

And they match.

Well, yeah, I mean, you would imagine that time period, you know, glass and different things.

I mean, they're, that's probably pretty easy to track.

But can you imagine what was in those things?

Oh, I don't know.

I mean, needless to say, there was probably tumors and all kinds of stuff like that.

Yeah, yeah, that was 2019.

So if you think about that, how long that stuff had to sit in the ground?

Well, I think they, somehow, they found out that in the 60s, they got rid of the jars, a bunch of the jars, when that one owner took over.

But they thought they had just thrown them out.

Well, I guess they threw them out, sure, dug a big hole in the back.

I still paying for a trash bin.

Right.

That's one way to cover it up.

You know, like trying to sweep, but you just lift the rug and just sweep it right under, right?

So, I mean, they're still on the property.

So these people's body parts are in these jars under the ground.

Oh, man.

I mean...

In the back of the hotel.

If there was never a good root cause for paranormal activity, that's gotta be it.

I mean, you're talking about...

These people lived and they died in such awful conditions, and they were basically dismembered, and not only were they just thrown out there, putting jars where parts of them were, and thrown in the ground.

I mean, I don't know about you guys out there, but I'd be pretty pissed.

Oh, yeah.

So, kind of going into a little bit of the ghost part.

So, we...

As I mentioned before, we went there, and the older gentleman that we took the tour with, unfortunately, is his past, but I believe his name is Carol.

And he was just a really super nice guy.

And we started...

I guess we should kind of talk about how we got there.

So, we drove up in the absolute worst snow.

Well, it wasn't a snowstorm, but it sure wasn't comfortable.

I remember it being pretty scary getting up there.

Well, it's completely pitch black in the snow.

I think it was kind of misty.

So, it had that foggy look already.

And you got this old Victorian looking building in the fog with the lights coming out of all the windows.

It's just like a spooky movie.

You expect somebody to come out, all work, no play, Mace Jack, a dull boy.

It's crazy.

And we get in and you're going for a ghost tour.

You go through the front doors and I mean, it's very elegant, you know, and you get the huge like roaring fireplace, which I took advantage of because it's just freezing.

And it's beautiful.

The hotel is absolutely beautiful.

Yeah.

I remember there being a lot of red, like carpeting and like a lot of tapestries and stuff like that.

And it's every bit of what you would expect a hotel of that, I guess, of that grandeur and that time to have, right?

Yeah.

I mean, what most hotels from that time period looked like.

I mean, it was built for the fancy rich people.

Sure.

Yeah.

So they had to track them.

Yeah.

And that fireplace was something else.

I remember when I saw it, I thought of something out of like the Addams family.

I mean, that thing was really cool.

It was.

Was it marble, I think?

Parts of it.

Yeah, or maybe like limestone or something like that.

But yeah, there's a lot of cool pictures of that online.

And maybe I'll show that in the video for this podcast.

But so, you know, kind of taking it back, we show up and if I remember right, there was like a room that we went to and we paid our fee or whatever.

We met up with Carol.

And I remember it was a decent amount of people on the tour, but it wasn't jam-packed by any stretch of the means.

What, maybe like 10 people, including us?

Yeah, 10 to 15.

So yeah, 10 to 15 people, including us.

And there was this couple that we're going to talk about here just shortly.

But yeah, everybody's really friendly and we went on this tour.

And correct me if I'm wrong, we started the tour in the basement.

Well, we met up on the main floor.

Yeah, you're wrong.

Yep, that's right.

No, I think that was the last thing.

Was it the last?

Well, I'm all backwards.

I think the first thing, they took us up the stairs to certain floors and showed us certain rooms that are supposedly haunted.

And these are people that have stayed here have said this, and these are the things that we see.

So if we go floor by floor, can you, if I remember, what is it, three or four floors?

I can't remember.

I think there's four floors, but the fourth floor I think has like a big ballroom and like a lookout room, right?

Yep.

But then the other floors are, you know, for guests to stay in all rooms.

So that brings us to a really big point.

This is an active hotel.

Yes.

And it's actually a very busy active hotel, especially in during season.

Oh yeah.

And it's very nice.

It's not exactly cheap either, if I remember correctly.

It's got a good, hefty price tag to it.

Yeah, I mean, not more than you would expect to pay for a hotel like that.

Sure.

I wouldn't think.

Well, then again, we did stay at the Stanley and that was pretty pricey, wasn't it?

Yeah.

Yeah, for sure.

I mean, but you're going to these hotels for this reason.

Yeah, exactly.

It's not like you're going to the Holiday Inn.

Or the Four Seasons.

You know, I mean, you're going, you know, this is an old hotel.

I mean, it's very eclectic.

You know, there's stories, you know, you're going there for that experience.

So you pay for what you're getting.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

So the reason we bring up that is an active hotel is, well, before we get ahead of ourselves.

So yeah, it is active.

It's very nice.

The keys are, as you would imagine, you walk up to a counter and there's somebody there to hand you a key.

And if I remember, the key looks like an old school key.

Hanging on the wall.

Yeah, hanging on the wall.

Sure isn't any Schitt's Creek or anything that actually hand you a door and key.

And, you know, so you have rooms.

And from the third floor down, I mean, it looks really nice.

They've got all the all the hallways are really well lit.

Kind of in a weird sconces, if I remember right.

But it's kind of like got this slash art deco almost meets, you know, like Victorian.

Yeah, Victorian.

You know, so on the third floor, are there any reports on the third floor?

Not that I researched.

I'm sure there are many different people.

I mean, here's the thing.

There are countless, countless stories from this hotel.

I mean, from visitors, from staff, from...

I mean, it just too much to even talk about.

Sure.

Yeah, I mean, we've...

You just have to take, like, the main points of, like, the most famous ones and, you know, people's personal experiences that they're willing to share, because some people don't want to talk about it, because it was too frightening for them.

So, I mean, there's been so many different paranormal investigators that have come to this, and some of our favorite are the Ghost Hunters, you know, way back when.

Yeah, during the Grant days.

Yeah.

And, I mean, they found some crazy stuff.

I mean, stuff that there's, you know, whether you believe or you don't believe, it's hard to argue that there's not something there.

For sure.

And the feeling I got in...

I tend to have that, you know, heebie-jeebie feeling when I go in places if there is an activity and, you know, and I'm going too much into my past, but, you know, I am native.

My grandmother's, she was what we call a curandera, which, you know, there's a lot of stuff you can look up in there.

But anyway, I digress.

But, you know, when you walk in there, you get that feeling.

I mean, almost to me, that weight, it almost feels like you're putting a weighted blanket over your head.

You know, it's just like a, I wouldn't say oppressive, but you know, when you're walking, you sure don't feel like you're walking alone.

No.

I mean, and I'm not sensitive or anything, but I can sometimes cue in on some things.

But you do, you just feel like on high alert, like someone's watching you at all times, at all places in that hotel.

He definitely got the creep factor.

So we mentioned a little bit about some of the more well-known ghosts.

You want to talk a little bit about what you found or some of the things that you noted?

Well, I mean, Norman Baker has been seen.

They say that he's been seen.

And he's been seen on the first floor, right?

Kind of like the lobby area.

Lobby area and clothes, I guess, that he has been seen in pictures wearing.

I mean, that's probably a given.

I mean, my favorite is actually like when they were building the hotel.

Yeah.

There was, and because I'm Irish and Scottish and all those European mix.

So he was an Irish stonemason.

Yeah.

And his name is Michael.

And I think this is probably proven by historical fact that they have proof that he actually worked there.

And but he fell off like a ladder or scaffolding or something.

Scaffolding, yeah.

And fell and died.

But he's been seen a lot.

Now, he's been seen a lot in a particular room, if I remember right.

Right?

Yeah, I think room 218.

218, yep.

Okay.

So room 218.

But that's where he actually fell to.

Right.

So he was up above that, probably on the third floor, and he fell to 218.

Now, do you remember when we were talking about a couple?

So on this tour, you know, as you do in tours, you chit chat, you know, and there's some people that you talk to, and there was this younger couple, and they were really cool.

I remember them.

But as we were taking the tour, we came across this room.

I don't know if it was this room.

Was it?

It was just on that floor.

We'll just talk about what that floor.

So whether it was that room or not, this is still a great story.

So we're walking down the hall, and Carol, our guide, says, you know, every once in a while, these doors make noise, like people are trying to rattle them, and there's nobody in it.

And, you know, you say to yourself, okay, yeah, all right, sure.

I mean, that could be anything.

It could be wind.

That can be, you know, creaking.

I mean, it's an old building, so it's gonna settle, you know?

Well, yeah.

And I mean, you know, they're telling all these different stories, and we're standing in the hallway, and, you know, people on the tour are taking pictures, because everybody's hoping to capture something on there.

And this is, you know, back before the cell phone picture.

Yeah, people actually had the cameras.

Yeah, you bet, yeah.

So they're digital cameras, but they sure had their cameras out.

And that's how we took pictures.

And so, you know, they're all just like hoping to see something, like taking a million pictures and half listening to the tour guide, you know?

And I remember we were standing off to...

So there's like the main long like hallway.

But then as the rooms like kind of go off to the left and the right, there's almost like a tiny little hallway, you know?

And then I remember we were standing near that one, and there's a big mirror on the wall.

Yeah, I remember the mirror.

And we kept like, I remember I kept looking in the mirror to see if there was anybody standing behind us that wasn't actually in the group, you know?

Because they said that happened.

So I kept like studying, it hurts like a psycho, right?

Yeah.

But I remember we were standing there and we were talking to this other couple.

And the door to our right, the handle like jiggled back and forth.

Like it was locked and they didn't know it was locked and they were trying to get out.

And we're like, somebody's stuck in there, you know?

Yeah.

And we look over the couple, and their eyes are as big as saucers, their faces have gone like ash and white.

Yes.

And I'm like, I remember looking at you, I'm like, are you okay?

You know, like, are you okay?

And you said, are you guys okay?

Yeah.

And they just like, they couldn't talk at first.

And they're like, that's our room.

Cause they were staying there at the hotel.

And they're like, and there's nobody in there.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

I mean.

So I would hate to be there.

Yeah.

Sucks to be here.

Because they were frightened.

I mean, really frightened because it was visible.

You saw the handle move.

Yeah.

You heard the handle move.

And we were the only four that saw it happen because all the rest were, you know.

Yeah, that's right.

They had gone for it.

Yep.

Yeah.

I remember that.

And I remember their face.

And the thing I remember the most is the man that was there, the young guy.

I remember him looking at me.

And there was like that lock eyes moment of help.

But I'm like, Well, you didn't say anything very helpful.

You're like, well, we're not staying.

Yeah.

I got to admit, probably not one of my better moments.

So fit that couples out there, and I'm sure they're not listening.

But if they were, sorry about that.

But so yeah, I was like a firsthand account of something that happened.

And they were frightened.

And I'm really glad we didn't stay there.

And maybe someday here, not too far distant, we're going to have a show about a place we did stay at, where neither one of us got any sleep, but we'll not get ahead of ourselves there.

But yeah, I couldn't imagine getting any sleep there.

So yeah, we go on this tour.

And if I remember right, you get in the stairwell, and I think there was an accounting of a lady that comes up and down the stairs, I think.

They're here pushing like the laundry cart or something.

Yeah, laundry cart.

I think there's a cat too, if I remember right.

Yeah, there's a cat, which they do.

They have cats that live at the hotel and you see them up and down the hallways.

Yes, they sure do.

So yeah, there's obviously a ghost cat, and I guess it would be dumb of us to think that there couldn't be a ghost of a pet.

I mean, they're living creatures, so why not?

But so yeah, I know we went down to the second floor.

So, real quick, let's talk about Michael's room.

I mean, they just, there's a bunch of different stuff that happens in 221.

221, yeah.

I think.

No, 218.

Sorry, 218.

Yeah, but they, I mean, the biggest thing is that they say they hear like a fall, like a man yelling when they like hear a fall.

And then there's like different weird, like poltergeist activity, like hands coming out of the bathroom mirror, the door opening and then slamming shut, and then they can't open it again.

And I think a lot of the paranormal investigators, when they come and they stay the night, that's where they sleep, because they want to capture that.

But Michael seems to be the one that everybody wants to find.

Sure.

Okay.

He's Irish.

Yeah, to make him say, you know.

Guy's a mason, he didn't make it out.

And my favorite thing, you know, plug for the Ghost Hunters episode, but they go and they think they capture him on imaging, which is awesome.

And we're definitely gonna talk about that when we get to the place where they caught it, for sure.

Yeah.

But he's probably the most talked about.

Yeah, he is definitely hands down the most, I guess, infamous or famous or however you want to go with that.

Yeah.

There's, I mean, it's all over the hotel, so I mean, but he's a big one.

He's number one, probably.

Yeah, I mean, there's no, as Nicole was saying, there's no end to the paranormal activity.

You could literally draw a map and just point at any place in the hotel, and there's something that's happened there.

Well, you know, visitors hear screens, or they hear crying, or they hear, I mean, they're sick, dying patients in those rooms.

Yeah.

You know, so I mean, these people suffered.

Sure.

I mean, some of that, even if there's no ghosts, their energy is trapped, possibly.

And that's just a sad thought.

That's really sad.

So, you know, kind of going through, we won't go floor by floor, because I think we've got...

Well, no, I'll just, I mean, touch on some...

Sure.

Yeah.

So, the Governor's Suite, which I think is on the main floor.

Okay.

And these are from, like, some of the tour guides who said these are what guests have told them, like, the day after.

You know, they stayed the night.

She said that she met a couple that was staying on the first floor in the Governor's Suite.

They said that on their second night, they had slept with just a sheet covering the two of them, because it was hot.

Sure.

But then the husband woke up and he was sweating, like, deeply sweating, and that he realized that something had tucked him and his wife in with a comforter.

Like, tucked, tucked, like you would a child.

That's not scary.

And he pulled it off, because he was sweating.

He thought maybe his wife tucked him in or something.

So he went back to sleep and it happened two more times that night.

Geez.

That's, that's fricking scary.

Oh, yeah.

So Governor Suite, okay.

Governor Suite.

And then there's Room 221.

This is another guide, you know, story that a couple had told them about.

And this one is a little freaky.

This is very Stanley Hotel-ish.

Boy, you think about, you know, like the Stanley when you hear it.

Boy, okay.

Aide on me.

So these guests checked into Room 221 in the afternoon.

Okay.

When they got off the elevator from the second floor, there was a man standing there in an all-black Victorian style outfit.

Okay.

He smiled at him.

He asked them whether they needed help finding their room.

And so they thought he was an employee, you know, dressed up for the time, you know, just, and so they said, okay.

So he led them to Room 221, unlocked the door and opened it up.

And when they went through, the man stayed outside the door, smiled and tilted his head from side to side.

They realized they hadn't tipped him.

And so they turned around to get cash.

And when they turned back around, he was gone.

Oh, wow.

So they're like, okay, whatever.

Guess he didn't want money.

Right, sure.

So they just relaxed in the room for the rest of the day.

And then when they left and tried to come back to Room 221 that evening, the door wouldn't open.

Uh-oh.

So they went down to the front desk and asked, you know, are my keys not working?

And so the staff member said, somehow, you have the key to 321.

And they're like, no, the man that led us into the Room 221, and the staff said, there's no one that works here at the hotel that does anything like that.

So he opened the room to not their room.

Their room was 321 and he let them into 221.

Yeah.

I mean, off the accommodating, but yeah, that's, that's really scary.

Yeah.

It's a little creepy, the...

Yeah, the style, the...

God, it gives me like a it thing.

Yeah, that's kind of scary.

I mean, there's a story about Room 419, housekeepers report, meaning this Theodora lady.

She introduces herself as a cancer patient.

Yeah, I remember you telling me about that.

You know, air quote, Dr.

Bakers.

Yeah, yeah.

And then she vanishes after, you know, they've introduced themselves.

The Crystal Dining Room seems to have a lot.

I remember that.

I remember when we...

On the main floor.

Right, I remember that.

To the left of the checkout counter, I remember.

I remember that, well, yeah.

Fireplaces on the right, left is a check-in, and it's back, and it's beautiful.

I remember...

You can see dining.

We could go in there, right?

If I remember right...

Well, it was shut down for the evening.

Yeah, because it was a late tour.

It was like started at nine.

Yep.

So dinner and everything was over, but yeah, it's beautiful.

We do get to peek in there, if I remember right, and it was absolutely gorgeous.

I mean, it's everything you would expect, a dining hall of that magnitude to have.

Yeah.

And they're like a lady in white, if I remember right.

Yeah, they say there's people in Victorian dresses, dancing.

There's a report that during the holiday season, the dining room was closed, and they had a Christmas tree and packages underneath.

Well, when they came back in, it was moved from one end of the room to the other, the tree and the presents.

Surprise.

And the chairs were circling and facing the new newly placed holiday symbol.

So they moved the chairs, which is very weird.

That is weird.

And then there's menu scattered throughout the room one time, a waitress looked into a mirror behind the doors, from the dining room to the kitchen and saw a man and woman in Victorian clothing facing each other as in a wedding.

The groom looked at her, and then the couple faded away.

Geez.

That would be pretty scary.

Can you imagine just hanging out, all of a sudden you see somebody in Victorian clothes.

First of all, you'd say to yourself, that's odd enough as it is.

Well, everybody's in Victorian clothes.

That's what's crazy.

All these stories are from probably the very beginning, when it was first opened.

Geez.

Yeah, because that was what it initially was.

Another common report is there is a man in Victorian clothing, once again, sitting at the table near the windows, and he actually speaks.

And he says, I saw the most beautiful woman here last night, and I am waiting for her to return.

I mean, they see him dancing around in the room.

I mean, all that stuff.

And then the kitchen is right adjacent to the room.

Right.

And there's reports in there.

I mean, pots and pans are all over the place.

I mean, it's just kids running around in like the knicker type, you know.

Looking like the Titanic kid running around there.

Yeah.

Well, so that's the main floors and the different living facilities.

Now kind of the showstopper, so to speak.

So once you're done with the main floor, I guess Carol took us downstairs to the basement.

Now, I can tell you the difference between the first time we went there and the second time we went there was absolutely, I mean, you can't really put a fine point on it because it was absolutely completely stripped of everything when we were first there.

Yeah.

And the walls were, I think, like a, were they just stone or something like that?

I can't really remember.

Yeah, stone or concrete.

Yeah, maybe like stone or, yeah, something like that.

And you walk through and this passageway, which really just looks like something out of any scary movie, you know, you want to mention, leads to the morgue.

And I know we talked a little bit about that before, but yeah, the morgue.

So we walk in there, Harold says, well, one of the things that is felt here is that, if I remember right, a young boy, and he's often felt, he's often sensed by you being touched by him.

Yeah, I remember that.

And, you know, if that wasn't creepy enough, you know, and of course, when you say that, immediately, anything that you feel that pulls against your leg, or, you know, whether it's an article or clothing, immediately you go to, oh crap, this kid's fricking touching me.

You know, I mean, it's pretty scary, but, you know, kind of touching back that the morgue was there along with the, oh, the dissection table and the preparation table.

In that room, if I remember right, it was still in disrepair.

There was a lot of construction going on.

Anything you want to add to kind of how that was or?

It was creepy.

Yeah?

It was really creepy.

Like, you could just feel it.

Yeah.

I mean, and I'm sure part of it is just psychosomatic.

Sure.

You're walking in, you know what he did, I mean, what it is and what he did to these people.

And it's cold and dark and just...

Awful.

Yeah.

And everybody's just kind of like, you know, standing with their arms as close as they can get to their bodies.

And then you hear, you know, this boy wants to touch you.

And I just remember thinking, if somebody touches me right now and they're not here, I'm going to run out of here because I was already, like, on level 10.

Right.

Like, you just feel, you can feel it.

Yep.

You know, and, you know, he talks about the table, and everybody was just, you could tell they were just creeped out.

And then they take you to the adjacent room.

Yeah.

Where the shelving is.

Yes.

With jars.

No, these jars didn't have anything in them.

No.

No.

No.

They were definitely set there as props.

Yes.

But if I remember right, and maybe it's just, I've seen one too many YouTube videos or whatnot, but if I remember right, we went in there and they closed the door.

Didn't he do that?

I don't remember that.

I have a memory of that.

I could be wrong, but I thought he closed the door and it was pitch black in there.

So, The Morgue, we mentioned that we're fans of The Ghost Hunters, especially in the early, early seasons.

Big fans of Grant and Jason, but it's old school for us.

We're not much into the newer ones.

But anyway, so one of the episodes, I believe it was season two?

Season two, episode 13.

Yep, season two, episode 13.

Go watch it.

Yeah, go watch it.

Plug.

So, they had this thermal camera, which I think they've taken on pretty much every ghost tour that they've been on.

But there was a moment in where Grant, if I remember right, pans to the left, and for just a real brief moment, captures something on his thermal camera.

What does he capture?

Well, it looks like a male figure wearing a certain type of hat, which Irish, Scottish, Celtic people typically wear.

And he, I remember it kind of like, he looks him like lowers his head, which is how you can tell that there's like that Irish cap or whatever they call it.

It's crazy.

It is crazy.

And-

I've never seen anything like that.

No, no.

And of course, immediately everybody goes, well, it's just a reflection of them.

Of course, none of them wearing that kind of a cap to begin with, you know, Jason's bald, so it's definitely not him.

And you know, the only person that would have been wearing a cap would have been Steve, and Steve wasn't even in the room.

So-

Oh, I think it was just Grant and Jason.

Yeah, it was just Grant and Jason.

So yeah, if you haven't seen that episode, I highly recommend it.

And of course, it's on YouTube.

And I think even some of the streaming services have Ghost Hunters, but I highly recommend seeing that because it is, is unrefutable to me as any other paranormal video.

I mean, it is quite striking what you see.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

So the one thing I kind of wanted to bring up before we bring this episode to a close, we mentioned Carol and sadly, he's since passed, but he was a psychic or what you might want to call it, and so they have medium.

And you definitely got that sense.

There's always those people that you meet that you just kind of know there's something different about them, especially in the way that he carried himself.

But the reason I bring that up, we were talking about the episode with the Ghost Hunters, and something I know that I've never seen before, and I'll be honest with you, we watch a lot of these shows, and I don't think I've seen anything like that since.

No, I've never seen anybody actually do what they did.

Sure.

So we talked about the thermal camera, right?

And they went to his home that he was sharing at that time, and it was Dr.

Ellis, which is also another one of the ghosts that is spotted at the Crescent, but he owned this hotel, or this hotel, I'm sorry, this house.

And Jason and Grant decided that they're going to let Carol have a psychic reading of Jason.

And if you're not too familiar with the show, I don't think either one of them is necessarily a skeptic, and neither one of them are absolutely a believer.

They're just kind of like us, a little middle of the road, right?

Right.

But I mean, I think Jason especially, he has way more skeptical.

Sure.

And he was actually trying, he says on the show, I was trying to block him so he couldn't read, give me a reading.

Yep.

And Grant sits on the chair, he points a thermal camera at Carol, while he's trying to give Jason a reading.

And what you see, it's all these aura of colors, like you see them coming across from Carol to Jason, and you see Jason's colors come.

Yeah.

It is crazy.

Yeah, I remember it's like a red thermal image from Jason as he's seated, kind of stretches out and reaches towards Carol, who's seated on the other side.

And there's a point where Carol then reaches his hand up, and as soon as he does that on cue, what happens to Jason's aura?

I don't really...

It like completely sucks back into him.

You remember that?

Yeah.

I mean, it's just...

I urge you guys to go out there and look at it.

It is really cool.

You know, of course, it was quite a while ago, so you're not going to get any HD quality on this, but it's still pretty...

I mean, it's really hard to refute that.

It's one of those that, okay, if you know what thermal imaging it is, it's all about heat signature and everything else.

And, you know, you could probably dissect in a million ways that it could be some scientific thing, but that was just too perfect.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

And I mean, I hate that he's gone now.

I mean, he was older when we met him.

Yeah, he was.

But he did the tour.

And I do remember, like, a few times on the tour, he'd be talking and he'd pause for a second.

You could see his eyes, like, he kind of like squinted a little bit, like he was looking at something.

And I remember the one time someone else on the tour was like, did you see something?

And at that point, I didn't know he was a medium.

I just thought he was a tour guide.

Right.

We didn't know until we saw the show later.

Absolutely right.

That's what he was, because he didn't announce that.

Yeah.

That's absolutely right.

He just said, yeah, I thought I saw...

I can't remember what he said.

No, I thought I saw someone walk across the hallway.

Yeah.

Something like that.

But that would make more sense.

No, he saw somebody in the mirror, and that's why you were looking in the mirror.

I swear that's what happened.

Possibly.

I mean...

It's been a while.

It's been a very long time.

I mean, this was when we were, what?

Were we engaged yet to be married?

In fact, spoiler alert, I was going to propose to her during that trip, and I decided not to.

So obviously, we've been married, what?

How long now?

16 years.

16 years, 117.

So it worked out, folks.

So the memories are a little fuzzy.

It's been a while, but yeah.

I mean, what a great place.

And again, Eureka Sprains is not something you're just going to stumble upon, but if you're ever in the area, absolutely do yourself a favor and go there.

You know, your mileage may vary.

You may not have the same experiences that we did.

You know, it just depends, but it's worth seeing.

It's a beautiful building.

It's so cool to see whether you believe in it or not.

It's got so much history, you know?

Oh yeah.

And I mean, they also, this is something recent, I think, but they host a Eureka Springs Paranormal Weekend.

Oh, okay.

And it's two weekends in a row.

And you can go and investigate.

I mean, you have to pay, you know, the fees and you stay at the hotel.

But yeah, I think that would be really cool.

Yeah.

I'd love to do something.

Yeah, man, we should do that sometime.

But yeah, they originally started with one weekend, and there were so many people that wanted to do it, they couldn't fit everything, so they had to extend it to two weekends now.

I buy that because of the shows and everything else that have been there.

Yeah, so many people have been there.

And I mean, there's so many people that have gone there just to stay, and they're like, I won't go back.

Freaked them out.

Most of the stories are, I can't do it.

And actually being that, I don't know if I could actually stay the night.

No, I don't think I could either.

Just knowing?

No.

You know, it just, that's pretty creepy.

Now, I'll go back to our Snick and Lace if we ever have to do that again.

Yeah.

You know, but anyway, well, you know, it was a great episode.

Thank you for joining me.

That was really good.

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