Ghost Tour Ireland with Chris Fleming and Mai Hernon McEvilley!

Join Logan and Nicole on this exciting episode of Generation X Paranormal as they sit down with Mai Hernon McEvilley, the dynamic owner and director of Secret Ireland Tours. Together, they dive into the spine-tingling details of the October 2024 haunted Ireland tour with Dave Schrader, featuring exclusive access to some of the country’s most haunted sites. Special guests Ryan O'Neill, Greg Stewart, and Lisa Sproat from Scottish Paranormal brought their expertise, while a surprise encounter with Grant Wilson from Ghost Hunters left everyone stunned!

As the chills settle, Mai gives listeners a sneak peek into the highly anticipated June 2025 Ghost Tour with psychic medium Chris Fleming. This once-in-a-lifetime adventure promises visits to legendary Irish locations steeped in paranormal lore. Whether you're a ghost enthusiast or just curious about Ireland’s rich supernatural history, this episode is packed with stories, reviews, and insights you won’t want to miss!

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It was amazing.

Now, Dave got some stuff, some recording out of the bathroom.

Yeah.

I heard that, I mean, my skin crawl.

It was, wow.

And some of the other guys got some stuff too, but the next day I get an email from, or no, maybe it was the week after, I got an email from the principal of the school.

And he sent us a picture of a door that was ripped off its hinges that was found the next morning.

Well, hey, everybody, welcome back.

Hey, everyone.

It's Generation X Paranormal.

I'm Logan.

And I'm Nicole.

Guys, it is our first episode back from the Christmas break, holiday break, I should say.

So congratulations, you made it.

You made it on the other side is 2025, which is really weird for us because, you know, we're filming this still in 2024.

So we're predicting we're gonna make it.

Yeah.

So.

Let's hope, right?

Let's hope so.

But if you guys hadn't noticed, there's been some changes.

We kind of told you guys we're gonna do this, you know, last year or last episode.

And we came through, got a new a new intro.

And, you know, we want to say a very big thank you first to White Bad Audio.

Carl Casey was fantastic letting us borrow, you know, his music for such a long time.

And we want to make sure we thank Carl for that.

But more importantly, our new music is made by Eric Cooley.

Tell us who Eric is.

He is my wonderful baby cousin, even though he's not a baby anymore.

No, he's not.

But we're absolutely excited to have him.

He's kind of our our heart and soul as far as the sounds concerned when it comes to our show.

So, yeah, it's been great, a new look.

And we're going to be doing a lot of really cool stuff.

So yeah, we're pretty excited.

Excited about it.

Yeah.

But more importantly, we're very festive in Ireland because of a very important reason.

Yes, it is.

And what is that?

We are going to be speaking to Mai Hernon McEvilley, which we spoke last year.

That's right.

About the Secret Ireland Tour with Dave Schrader.

Right.

Well, it's 2025 now, so she's got more tours.

So we have her back to speak to us about that.

That's right.

We're excited to do that, but let's bring her on.

Yeah.

Let's talk to me.

Well, hey, Mai, welcome back.

Hello, guys.

How are you doing?

It's great to be back with you again.

We're great.

We're so glad to have you back.

Yeah.

We're absolutely excited to talk to you for so many different reasons.

But I decided to come back from Ireland and hang out and over the side of the pond for another one.

It's easy to annoy a lot of people over here on this side of the pond, so you're in good company.

It's not a problem at all.

I'm sure there's tons of people that will oblige you.

But the last time you were on, and we talked a little bit briefly before we started, there was a, unfortunately, there was a situation which Chris Fleming wasn't able to make.

You know, the tour.

The Halloween tour.

But, you know, you stepped in and had probably one of the greatest substitutes I could think of, and Dave Schrader.

Do you want to talk a little bit about kind of how that went?

Honestly, you know, something kudos to Dave Schrader because it was at very short notice that he stepped in.

And it's not easy because, you know, all these people have, they're booked, doing other things, you know, paracons or whatever.

And at very short notice, Dave stepped in.

And honestly, he really saved the tour, that is the truth.

And he is a great, great friend to Chris Fleming.

And he's proved it, of course, over and over again, but he's proved it by stepping in and helping him out there.

We had Ryan O'Neill and Greg Stewart from Scotland over, and Lisa, they came over from Scotland.

Lovely, lovely people.

Yeah, we had a fantastic tour.

For the most part, in October in Ireland, the weather was actually lovely.

We probably had a day and a half's rain.

It wasn't cold.

It was mild most of the time.

We went to, we had, oh God, we had, I suppose there were seven or eight investigations.

And I had worked extremely hard to get an investigation in Arthgilling Castle the night before we left.

And I actually, my friend Jenny Sullivan, who is Ireland's top paranormal investigator, she had worked on it for me because she has investigated there on numerous occasions and they know her very well.

But it was the week before the tour that we got it confirmed.

And we're driving up to Dublin.

And we had to leave late because it was going to be a late night.

And we're driving into Dublin and there is a backlog in traffic.

And the traffic is horrendous.

Oh, no.

We find out that there was a major accident on the M50 on the way out of Dublin towards the north.

Of course, we could not do the investigation.

We had seven or eight investigations on the tour.

If that had happened, that would have been the eighth one.

Oh, that's so, oh, that's that.

It was heartbreaking because we had worked so hard.

Like Jenny really worked so hard for it because she was contacting, she contacted a few different people and one of them was off and then one of them was going to swap ships and oh, it was.

And then when I found out, well, we can do it.

We can do it.

This is going to be such a fantastic surprise.

The whole thing went wild upon me.

Well, things happen.

Yeah.

I mean, the star is aligned as it was.

I mean, it's great that.

That was the biggest hiccup.

Yeah, the biggest hiccup.

Yes, exactly.

Exactly.

And we've spoken with Ryan and we continue to speak with Ryan.

He's kind of helped me on a few things technically anyway, but yeah, he's an amazing person.

Greg's fantastic.

Yeah, he is.

You know, everybody on that team is just tremendous.

Yeah.

I'm sure I'm forgetting everybody, but it's so glad that I'm so glad that they were able to make it.

And I know that we were able to see some of the some of the sessions that I think Dave put on.

Yeah, Dave and Ryan both.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I know they were.

I know they had some fun at the at the school that.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

School.

Yeah.

The school was amazing.

Now, they got some stuff.

Some recording out of the bathroom.

The screaming.

Yeah, I heard that.

I mean, my skin.

Overall, it was wow.

And some of the other guys got some stuff too.

But the next day, I get an email from, or no, maybe it was the week after, I got an email from the principal of the school.

And he sent us a picture of a door that was ripped off its hinges.

That was found the next morning.

Yeah.

We saw that.

I could not believe it.

That's right.

Did Ryan show?

Yeah, he did it too.

And Ryan as well.

Yeah, that's for sure.

Ryan and he might have sent it to Dave Schrader as well.

But that's what they came in to the next morning.

Now, there was a Cork Paranormal team.

They came in the same time as we did, and they were kind of staying for a longer length of time.

I didn't get talking to them after that to see what they had picked up or whatever.

But that's what the teacher found when he walked into the school.

The door had literally been ripped off its hinges.

He even showed us a picture of the door on the ground, and then he showed us a picture of the screws or the nails or whatever that was bent.

Oh, yeah.

See, we didn't see that part.

We just saw the door.

That's amazing.

The history of that particular school, it's not the school per se, it's the land that it's on.

There was seemingly a guillotine.

There was hundreds of people killed by this guillotine, and there was a kind of a mass grave there as well.

Yeah.

Actually, when we spoke with Ryan, he had told us that when they were originally out there filming for Haunted Ireland, that they had a really big investigation outside of the school itself.

And unfortunately, they didn't make the show itself, but it was pretty impressive.

Well, it makes sense if somebody's angry, because that EVP that Dave got in the bathroom, I think it was, did not sound like frustration.

It sounds like anger for one.

And then seeing the door off, it was just, I couldn't believe it.

Like that all goes together.

There was definitely angry spirits in the place.

One of the group, she'd be very sensitive and she couldn't stay up.

I went downstairs with her.

It just, it totally and utterly affected her.

It's the same thing that happened to me when we went into Wicklow Jail.

Now I know that doorways are not a good place to stand, anywho.

Right.

Yeah.

I was standing in the doorway and I got such a violent headache and I knew, don't go in there.

So I had to back out.

Yeah.

Well, that's smart.

In Lep Castle as well, when we went to Lep Castle, we went up to the bloody church and I got it and somebody else got it.

The smell of rotten meat was horrendous.

Seemingly, the elemental that's up there, that can be a sign that this elemental is kind of active or whatever.

Yeah.

Or present there.

And I'm looking around for dead animals and I'm looking all over because I'm thinking there might be a dead mouse or rat or cat.

Murder or anything like that.

Yeah.

I have to make sure that there's nothing, was absolutely no sign of any dead animal at all.

Oh.

But the murder hole wasn't too far away from me.

I remember when the Ghost Hunters went there a long time ago and they did their episode and somebody smelled the same thing.

Oh, I do remember that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I'm glad.

And you know, the funny thing about it is I have no sense of smell.

That's so interesting.

That is interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I've heard that before.

Other people that have lost their sense of smell can smell certain things like it's given to them just for that reason.

Which tells you it's not necessarily physically there.

Right.

It's kind of also, you know, somewhat in your head.

Yeah, maybe.

Yeah.

And I would never have thought like, I would never have thought I might smell bad meat.

This wasn't no bad meat.

This was absolutely putrid rotten meat.

I mean, I was nearly gagging.

It was that not a good smell.

Not a good smell.

Now, some people said that they could smell sulfur.

Maybe that's the smell I smelled, but to me, it smelled like bad meat.

Sulfur is more like a rotten egg smell, I believe.

Which is still bad, but I would think the rotten meat is worse.

Oh, gosh, it's horrible.

We went to Hell's Fire Club.

That was one of the surprises.

That's awesome.

I was going to bring that up just now, too.

Yeah, Hell's Fire Club.

I booked Jenny Sullivan.

She's, as I said, she's with Emerald Isle Paranormal Research Group.

Okay.

She headed that particular group up.

And she actually has a podcast as well.

But I asked her to come with us for a few days because she knows Ard Gillan very well.

She knows Cherniville very well.

We went to Cherniville and she knows Hellfire Club very well.

And I thought it would be good to have somebody who knows these places for the first few days anyway.

So she kind of brought us to Hellfire and it was funny.

There was one room in it and there was a fireplace.

Now, I don't call myself a psychic or anything like that, but I knew looking at that fireplace, I knew that babies had been burned in that fireplace.

Wow.

That's interesting.

I knew it.

Has children been sacrificed in that fireplace?

She's actually deaf.

Wow.

A lot of people say that-

You just know a certain-

You just know.

You don't have to be psychic.

Even talking to some people that have psychic abilities, they often say that there's really nothing they're doing that we can't do ourselves.

It's just like a lot of us have turned that part of ourselves off.

Exactly.

Then one of the other girls had a box and a name came through and then murder came through and fire came through and a few more things came through.

Jenny actually put it all together.

She says actually there was an Emma who it said she was put into a barrel and she was set on fire and she was rolled down the hill in this barrel.

Wow.

So she could confirm what this girl was picking up.

Some of the girls were also told to F off out of the place.

Well, there's a nice welcome.

This was a kind of a gentleman's club and there were very no women allowed.

Well, there was women allowed where they could do nasty things to them.

Sure.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, then it's okay, I guess, apparently.

Well, at that time, seemingly, I don't know.

Well, that's why it was up in the middle and over.

This is the Dublin Mountains, you know?

Okay.

So I had dowsing rods at one stage.

We were asking questions and there's this guy Jenny would call on William.

William seemingly was one of the head, whatever they were.

I don't know, masons or whatever they were.

Yeah.

So I'm here with the dowsing rods, you know?

I swear you now, zoom right behind me.

Wow.

So I sent him again and I said, can you tell me where you are now?

Zoom.

It was like, I'm here.

Wow.

It was kind of like-

Usually they move slow.

Oh, no.

This was not slow.

I've never seen him move that fast.

It was zoom.

Yeah, it was.

I mean, all the people were in front of me watching this.

When I'd ask a question, it was like the answer would have been very fast, and one of the rods would hit me in the face every time.

If the answer was yes, it would.

Oh, yeah.

So cool.

It's funny because we've talked about that before, and we have no shortage of them.

We go out and spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars on all this equipment, and it turns out that some of the old ways we used to do things work just as good.

Yeah.

Simplicity is the hallmark of the master.

That's very well put.

I'm so happy that you guys have somebody that's doing a lot of history behind it too, because granted, our country is much younger than over the pond, as you say, but I just think that a lot of people go into these things and they don't care.

Well, that they don't care about the history, it's just not something that's at the most forefront of their mind.

Yeah.

When you're at a place like Lemp Castle or Blackwater Castle, or some of these things have such tremendous amount of history.

Of course, like Hell's Fire Club, for instance.

Oh, yeah.

Right beside it, there's an old burial ground, and this is documented.

They took some of the stones from the burial ground to build one of the walls of Hell's Fire Club.

Now, you never, ever, ever touch these secret sites.

Well, there, there's the reason.

Yeah.

Wow.

You know, it never fails.

I guess I just, I'm always surprised by just how a brazen and cavalier some people can be about that sort of thing.

But then again, back then, you know, who knows it?

It's just, you know, in talking with Ryan and in seeing some of the stuff that they've done.

And, you know, just with Chris and a lot of people, when you go over there, I think your experience is exponentially better when you have a knowledge of that history.

You know, one of the things that you mentioned with the school, I apologize, I cannot say the name of that school.

Most Emanuele.

OK.

Thank you.

We will make sure.

We were not even going to try.

If I remember correctly, I think I'd always call it like Deerfield, I think is what Deerfield Park is the kind of the area that it's that it's situation.

And it might have been called Deerfield at one stage itself.

I don't know.

But I know that I know it as Coloss Damanry.

Yes.

Which is a much better name, by the way.

It's beautiful.

I just can't say it.

But what's so great about it is that and a lot of people may or may not know, we've done a few things where I think we did a short and it's a very, very well-known school by this point.

Because if people don't know, it's where they found the lockers were getting swung.

And I think the wet floor sign got kept.

I mean, there was a lot of activity there.

Jairs moved.

There was one of the guys there, Morris, and he was telling us that sometimes they'd be locked into rooms.

They'd have to ring somebody to open the door and get them out.

And none of them, there's an attic in this place.

And I don't think any of them will go up into the attic.

And I think Chris and Morris probably had an experience in the attic.

But Chris and Morris had a lot of experiences together in that school.

And they both saw full forms in that school.

It's very active, but it makes sense.

Yeah.

You were talking about the history of that place.

I was telling you, Logan, beforehand, I think I was telling you about the land that school is on.

And it was a place where there was a guillotine and there was hundreds of people killed by these guillotines.

And there was a mass grave there.

So it might not necessarily be the school.

It might be Potsdam Lodge.

Yeah.

I believe the ground has more to do with it, at least in this case.

And that's kind of the point I was trying to make, is that if you were to go to this school, let's just say you weren't on a tour with yourself and people that had historians with them, or at least people that knew.

You'd go in there and maybe you'd catch some evidence.

And it could be just a matter of, well, you think it's just a ghost that's locked in that school.

But if you don't have a working knowledge of what could potentially really be, I think you're really cheating yourself not only of an actual experience that matters, but now you're kind of omitting an entire area that you could be, that you could actually be investigating.

So yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

But it's crazy to me, isn't it?

It's kind of like that castle, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Everybody talks about the bloody church and the castle itself.

But the walk up to the castle and around the castle is every bit as haunted as the castle itself.

Absolutely.

You know, Rick McCollum, he's another, he's ghost hunters, Hollywood ghost hunters.

He's doing a tour with us in September.

And he had an experience outside Lippe Castle on the path on the way up.

And it was a fairly serious experience.

It was, it was, he got hurt.

Really?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

So, you know, it's not just because again, like that, Logan, the history of the castle and the violence that went on during those times.

And, you know, you're always talking about invasions and, you know, kings and high kings and tribes and everything fighting each other and trying to take territory from one another.

And it was always these lunatics killing each other.

Yeah.

It's true.

And the brutality behind it.

Yeah, like the medieval torture and stuff that they would do is just like the worst you can ever read.

Yeah.

I mean, the murder holes themselves, like they.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, in Lep Castle, a few, well, maybe 20, 30 years ago, they took out three cartloads of bones from the murder hole.

Did they really?

Wow.

Is that recently?

Yeah.

When they were excavating it, they took out three cartloads of bones.

Oh, jeez.

There's a murder hole in nearly every castle in Ireland, or probably every castle in Europe.

I don't know.

It was a way of surviving.

Yeah.

It just came like an extra half bath.

Watch your step.

Yeah.

And then Art Gillum was another very, very interesting place.

We went up to Emma's room and Emma kind of reached out.

How did that happen?

How did that come about?

Because I remember telling her that I would try and help.

Can't remember how that happened, but it did.

I think I might have been through a box.

She was saying to help, help me.

And then we were in Charleville Castle, which is very interesting as well.

Yeah, the front of Charleville Castle, if you look at it in daylight, there's two round towers on each side of the castle.

And if you play chess, you'd understand that that's the king, and that's the queen.

That's cool.

Yeah.

And there's a red room in the Queens, in that tower where, you know, and there's leylines.

But I went in and there's a story about a monk that was kind of attached to this bed.

So there was another girl in with me and I was wondering, I was talking, I said, is this the bed that the monk is attached to?

Because I wasn't quite sure whether it was that room or another room and she was saying, yeah, it is.

And I said, this is a woman's room.

I wonder who was the woman that stayed in this?

And all of a sudden I could hear Constance.

I said, Constance.

I said, that's not a name now I'd use normally.

So I went out and I asked David, the curator.

I said, is there a Constance associated with that room?

He says, yes.

Wow, that's so cool.

Yeah.

And then there was a few more Constances associated with the castle as well.

Wow.

That's really neat.

And another thing, was it Charlevin or was it Art Gillan?

We went down to the kitchen.

And I think this was on-

I think they went down to the kitchen, Art Gillan.

But we were talking and not much was happening.

And I said, I wonder if I spoke to them in Irish.

I wonder what that have any effect.

And it did.

Wow.

I always think about that.

Like we always use English and they spoke a lot of Gaelic, so that does make sense.

So it was fascinating.

Yeah.

There was a few places I talked to them, you know, and there was reactions.

Yeah.

Could you tell what they were saying?

No, I get a feeling more that in Art Gillan, I thought it was like a small girl that came to the table.

And for me, it was a small girl, maybe 10, 11.

I don't know why I'm saying that because I couldn't see her, but I could feel her.

Yeah, sure.

It's just the energy.

Yeah, and it seemed that she was fascinated.

Very cool.

But another girl thought it was a boy and he was very sad.

So I don't know.

Just your impressions of what it could be.

Could have been both.

Could have been both.

Both can be true at the same time.

A lot of these casts would have children working in the kitchens as well, you know?

Yeah, that's true.

Well, you know, I'm listening to all this and going, God, that's just a bucket list trip for everything you guys did.

When we're doing it again in June.

I know.

I know.

Trust, we looked.

Yes.

Well, let's talk about that.

I know that as we talked at the top there that, Chris wasn't able to make it, but I think we're kind of hoping this June.

He's hoping.

He's very much hoping.

He reckons he's gone and that's it.

If there's anybody I wouldn't count out, I would not count out Chris.

Chris is one of those guys, I think, that would just move mountains if he could, not only for people that obviously have wanted to come on this trip for some time.

Yeah.

But it's a place I know that he finds very important to him.

He's very connected to it, and I know that it's a very important trip for him.

So again, I would not be surprised, and I wouldn't count Chris out of anything.

Well, he was on live there the other night on Facebook, and he looked fantastic.

Yeah, we watched that too.

Did you see that?

Yeah.

He really did my heart good because he was talking about all the stuff that he wants to get done.

He wants to do his podcast in the new year, and he wants to do his songs, and he's talking about his art, and he talked about his work, and he really is very positive about everything, and that's the way to keep it.

Absolutely.

Be positive about it.

Yeah, he sounded good.

He did.

Yeah.

He did.

He sounded good.

I wouldn't just count the...

I think he'd do his damnedest to make it anyway.

That's for sure.

I believe if anybody could do it, it'd be him.

I mean, he's got such a positive outlook for this entire thing, and I don't know that I could be that strong if I got that kind of diagnosis, but he's been remarkable through it.

Well, so far, I have pinned down Arth Gillon.

I've pinned down an investigation in Charleville.

I've pinned down an investigation in Cork jail.

Oh, that's cool.

We didn't do that this year.

Let Castle, and we're going back to the castle again.

Well, it was a secret location.

I can't say that it's a secret location now.

We'll have two nights there, two days investigating there.

Where else have I pinned down an investigation?

We're going to go to Kennedy Castle again, but now that was a surprise too.

We had a beautiful tour.

Conor gave us a great tour around Kennedy, and he even brought us into the bedrooms, which I was surprised about.

He showed us the bedrooms in Kennedy, because that's a working hotel.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Oh yeah, Kennedy Castle is a working hotel.

There's also a stone circle at the back of Kennedy Castle.

He brought us there, and he brought us for a walk down the woods, and there's a special bridge.

We got a fantastic picture done of all the group on the bridge, and he talked about the history of the bridge as well.

And it was lovely.

Yeah.

That's awesome.

I'll contact him.

We'll probably pop in for lunch, and hopefully he'll do another tour for us again.

What else?

I can't remember what else.

I wanted to go to Spike Island.

You see, whenever I put up an itinerary, it's up a year in advance, and I can't guarantee it's tentative because some places don't open their booking until the year of.

Yeah, that's true.

So some of the venues that might have been up on the itinerary would be tentative until I get them booked, and I might not be able to get them booked until a couple of months before we're going.

So anyway, I had Spike Island up on the itinerary.

So the plan was that we will go into Spike Island and spend about three or four hours, and they'd be able to investigate.

I was told that they're not, nobody is allowed to investigate Spike Island anymore.

So I don't actually know what that is.

Spike Island would be called Ireland's Alcatraz.

It's an island both in County Cork, extremely haunted.

It was fort at one stage, it was a monastery, and it became a prison.

Oh man.

It became a brutal prison, and it was worse than Alcatraz, and it's very active.

But somebody, I don't know what happened or how it worked, because I remember talking to them before about the possibility of going in and staying overnight, because there are dorms in Spike Island, and people used to be able to do it, and they used to be able to investigate.

Now it has stopped.

But they did say, we can bring you for a three hour tour, and we'll bring you to places that are not generally open to the public, but they were going to charge me an outlandish amount of money.

I thought, if these people can't investigate.

Yeah.

No.

No.

That makes sense.

It's unfortunate, but it really doesn't make sense for you to do that.

No.

No.

And investigate.

No.

So I got court jail instead.

Well, that'll still be a great experience, but I could see why you'd want to go there.

Oh yeah.

I mean, I don't know why this doctor's, I have no idea.

I don't know what the logic is behind us.

Well, I'm sure it had to do with some idiot doing something stupid or something.

That's usually how these things get shut down from investigators coming in.

Somebody's done something they shouldn't have.

Happens over here a lot.

Don't surprise me that it happened over there.

I didn't think about that.

To be honest, I didn't think about that.

It either becomes unsafe or it's that.

But I would think that.

I doubt if it's the unsafe thing because people go in there all the time.

Yeah, exactly.

That's why I'm thinking it's probably the other.

I think whatever company was running the boat and running the tours into it, I think that was either taken over by another company or something.

Probably rules and regulations changed.

It's a pity because it was a great venue.

Yeah.

However, we got Cork jail.

Yeah, that'll be great.

That will be great.

Yeah.

If you got to pivot to something, my gosh, I mean, Cork jail.

We're also staying one of the nights in a hotel in Cork that's haunted as well.

Well, that's so cool.

So they'll have plenty of investigation time.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, it's just everything that you're saying is just like one hit after another.

It's like every one of them is a bucket list place for us.

Yeah.

I think that whether you're a season investigator, or whether you're brand new, or however you're coming into this, I couldn't imagine being in any better hands, number one.

No.

Just looking at what you guys did the last time, I think it's just going to be one of those trips that's unbelievable.

We had great fun.

We really had.

We went to Pat Noon's farm.

It was very, very funny.

We're driving and there's a big bus in front of us.

This is out in the middle of the country.

I'm thinking, I wonder where that bus is going.

I knew it in the back of my head.

I said to my bus driver, Keith, where else would this road bring you?

He named a place and I said, what is that bus?

He says, well, if it turns left, he says the likelihood is it's going to the same place as us.

Next thing you get, the gate goes on.

I said, oh my God, I don't know.

Anyhow, we're driving.

The road now becomes a little bit narrower.

Sure.

And I said, is there any way else he can go?

He says, well, we have to turn left again.

He says, up here.

And he says, if he turns left, he's definitely going to Pat Noon's farm.

Indicator goes on.

I said, Pat had double booked.

But the good thing about it was, I got to meet Grant Wilson.

I saw them and I was like, oh, that's so amazing.

Yeah.

And it was funny because we, you know, you always give the fairies something.

You always, you know, give.

I always when I'm in Pat's farm, we go up to the, we go up to the fort and I'll always sing a song.

And I sang this song and Dave Schrader said to me, he says, you do know that you, you made Grant Wilson cry with that song.

I says, really?

And he says, yeah.

What?

And it was about, it was, it's, it's about a fairy.

It's about, yeah, it's about a fairy.

So, yeah.

He's a great musician in his own right.

You know, he's, yeah, he's an amazing pianist.

Many, many years ago, I remember he put out an album and might just be called Grant Wilson.

I can't remember.

I don't know.

It was a long time ago, though.

I know it was in the beginning of The Hunters.

10, 12 years ago or so.

And just an amazing pianist.

So if you ever get an opportunity, yeah, he's fantastic.

Oh, brilliant.

Yeah, he's definitely one of those guys that, I know when I was first coming up in this and we were first starting to look into this, I always kind of aligned a lot with some of the stuff that he would talk about.

You know, and I like Jason.

Jason's a great guy and everything, but, you know, I always kind of, I like the way Grant would kind of boil things down and how he would look at things.

So it's awesome you got to meet him.

He seems to be a very, very nice person.

Yeah, and it comes off that way too.

You look at any of the interviews, even just the show itself, you know, I always love his, you know, he obviously very furiously won't say curse words or anything like that.

But I think one of his famous things, he says like, what the fudge or something like that.

Oh, I remember that.

I don't know how he copes over in Ireland, so then it must be an awful shock to the sister monster.

Yeah, yeah, I know, I know.

I warn the people on the both sides, if you get offended by curse words, you better get over it now.

Yeah, we have a.

That's awesome.

We've met some very, very close friends from Ireland, and every time we talk, I'm always telling them when they're on our show or whenever they're doing, I'm like, look, if you cause it, OK, it's not a problem, we're all right.

Well, I'm doing good so far.

You're fine too, Mae.

You're more than welcome to.

But we had a friend of ours on Mark, and he definitely broke the barrier of the cuss word, and then we just kind of kept falling down that road pretty quickly.

But no, that's great, and yeah, I think that anybody who's able to get to this needs to.

Oh yeah, absolutely.

How's the reception been for that so far?

We have so far we have 20.

Chris is aiming for 30.

Okay.

Okay.

So about 10 more slots.

We need 25.

Right.

Okay.

So come on, guys, just get on the-

Oh, we want to.

It's not about the once.

Yeah.

We'd have to get our passports ready too, and that's something that we need to do anyway.

But yeah, we'd love to come.

I think a lot of it has to do with-

The dollar sign.

Just the dollar sign and getting that big ticket out there.

Where there's a lot of things that our show's doing, that we're changing things up.

So if not this time, I guarantee you, probably next time.

One of the times.

We would love to be there again.

There's not a question in my mind that we would love to go.

Yeah, it'll be good.

It will be a good tour.

I was going to say, even if we were able to fly over and at least just meet up with you guys or something or whatever, but it would just be great to meet you and have a good time out there.

Yeah, absolutely.

I'd bring it to all the local, where the castle is.

We went down.

One evening, we had to leave late.

You see, we went again.

We had evening.

We had a ghost tour of Cork one evening.

We had a parade another evening.

We were leaving late the next evening to go back up to Dublin, and we were supposed to have the investigation that never materialized because, oh, that bummed me out so much.

You have no idea how.

I'm sorry.

I was.

I know.

It had only been confirmed the week before.

And she had worked on it because she was sending e-mails and she was making phone calls.

And, you know, it was all a matter of if somebody would swap ships.

It was the night watchman or it was somebody.

But anyhow, eventually a week before the tour.

And I was saying, this is going to be amazing that it's going to blow their mind.

Because we had done, we were there for about an hour and a half the first morning.

And they had got an opportunity to do some investigating.

So I thought they're going to so enjoy this.

They're going to get two or three hours investigating.

And it never happened.

Oh, man.

And I wouldn't mind, but I had to cancel a few things.

We were going to go to Kier Castle on the way up.

And we couldn't because of time constraints.

Oh.

I know it was such a pain in the ass.

God forgive me.

Yeah.

And it's like that happened though.

It's out of your control.

But I'm breaking that cuss word.

I probably would have gone, shit.

Yeah.

Well, believe me, I had some choice, but I think you're keeping it nice for us.

I'm very, I'm being very polite.

I don't want to be down.

We were okay either way.

I know that we've been on the site, and we know there's quite a few other tours coming up.

Can you tell us a little bit about those as well?

Well, there's one in June, the beginning of June, Vanessa Hoagal.

We're going to the north of Ireland, and then we're hopping over to Scotland.

Yeah.

That's going to be a good one.

That's fall.

But there's a place for two more if anybody wants to jump in that one.

Then in, that's June, did I say?

Chris is in the end of June.

Right.

Then we have a private tour in July, a family and friends were organized.

Something totally.

That's, you know, it's not all Paranormal.

We don't do all Paranormal stuff.

Right.

So that's just a private tour.

We organize places for them to go for a 10-day tour.

Then in August, we have this Health and Wellness.

It's actually, it's a very special tour.

A friend of mine, Dr.

Rachel Zozak, she's originally from Brittany, but she has lived in Ireland for many, many years.

She's actually a druid.

Oh wow.

She has a healing center in Kerry.

She teaches a lot of the druidistic healing methods of herbs and music, sound, a lot of stuff.

She teaches about trees and she grows all her own food.

She makes all her own food and she has this center.

So we're going to be bringing, Mary Jane Brigger is the ambassador for that one.

And she has a healing center in Salem, in Ohio.

She's a psychic medium.

She's a healer.

And we're hoping to fill that one as well.

People will go to workshops and then they get a chance.

We have two or three full days of touring and then there's three half days of touring, but the rest is workshops and it's healing sessions.

And people learn how to heal themselves basically.

That's so good.

Which is a unique tour.

It really is.

Yeah.

It sounds like a great tour.

Yeah.

That's in August.

And then Rick McCallum is the beginning of September.

And the north of Ireland, the east, the south, and we're going back around to Galway and then back up to Dublin.

And then Michelle Roos is in September.

Okay.

Yeah.

Michelle is in September as well.

And then October is Rob Thompson, Halloween.

Oh, wow.

That's awesome.

There's also Austin Ghost Tours.

They have a Halloween tour as well with us.

How are you not, I mean, you're just so busy.

To be honest with you guys, I missed a couple of my treatments.

And it was not a good idea.

Yeah, I will not be able to miss too many more of them.

And I have to get I've got tour guides lined up.

OK, OK.

Well, good.

You got to take care of yourself.

Jenny Sullivan is my is, as I said, she's the top paranormal investigator.

She's going to be doing a few of them for me.

I have a guy from Sligo who actually has investigated some places as well.

And he's going to be doing some for me.

And then I have a great tour guide, Helen Cavanagh, that's going to be doing.

I have a springtime in Ireland one as well.

I forgot about that.

That's in May.

And that's happened.

There's 11 booked so far.

And that's going to happen one way or another.

She's going to take that and she's going to take the private tour.

Yeah, if, if, if, Kimo is in the middle of one of these tours, I can't do the tour.

Yeah, no, that makes perfect sense.

Yeah, I, you know, I can't make that mistake again.

No, and we wouldn't want you to, for sure.

Take care of yourself.

You brought up Druids and we actually spoke with someone.

I don't know if you saw her show, but we spoke with Luke Eastwood.

And he's quite an interesting guy.

So if you ever get an opportunity to look up his information, he's a practicing Druid and he's out there in Ireland.

All right.

Okay.

I'll have to talk.

Yeah.

It would be good for him to put him in touch with Rachel.

Absolutely.

They may know each other.

We don't know.

They may have heard of her in Alaska.

Yeah.

Maybe we'll give you his contact information too.

Absolutely.

That would be great.

Yeah.

We actually had him on the show.

He's a fantastic guy.

And yeah, it's just amazing how much information is out there, especially with the self-healing and everything.

I would love to do that one.

A lot of that was lost.

Well, I don't know whether I wouldn't say it was lost.

It was purposely eradicated.

Yes.

That would be good.

Because Rockefeller, our famous Rockefeller, realized that he could make an awful lot of money by petroleum-based medication.

Absolutely.

He came over to America and he spent a lot of money with the media and a lot of money in colleges.

He did.

Promoting his stuff and saying that the other stuff was a whack job.

And we have to get back to what the land has given us.

Absolutely.

And I think there's a lot of people starting to do that too.

I've seen a change in some things with the last...

Even in the States, which I would be surprised.

I would venture to see that more obviously in Ireland and anywhere out there across the pond, because over here, we're just too bothered by the size of our hamburgers.

Which don't get me wrong, I love a big heard ex and the ex person.

I didn't get this way by saying no a lot.

But you do see a lot of people moving to more natural type things.

So I think it's coming full circle at some point.

Maybe not in my lifetime, but I think at some point.

Well, I know my grandmother, God rest her soul, she was great.

People used to come to the house for her to help them.

She would go out in the springtime and she'd pick the young nettles.

I don't know whether you have them there.

We don't have them here, but nettles would be, I suppose they're a weed, but they're kind of thorny that sting you.

Yeah.

I don't think we have them here, but I know what you're talking about.

Yeah.

Well, she would pick them and she'd put them into the cabbage and we'd eat them without even knowing it.

They were a blood purifier.

Amazing.

Yeah.

There were so many things she would do.

Like I used to suffer from boils on my legs, and she would make a poultice, and she'd draw out the infection.

I mean, we never went to a doctor to have an antibiotic or anything like that.

She did it all.

She'd do something with dandelions as well, or dandelion leaves.

There's a lot of teas made out of dandelion.

Yeah.

Something she used to do.

I can't remember now what it was for.

But there was always, and I remember going to a bone setter once because I had a slipped disc.

This bone setter just put me lying down, and he did something, and he put it back into place.

Wow.

Then there was another woman in the town, Sligo town, and she had the cure of asthma.

My two kids, I went to her for the cure of asthma, and she did whatever she had to do and the kids were cured.

There was another cure for whooping cough.

Oh, wow.

It was ferrets' leavings.

There was a woman in a house in Sligo town who had a ferret.

She would give milk to the ferret, and whatever the ferret left, you'd give it to your child on a Monday, a Thursday, and a Monday.

Interesting.

There's a prayer with each one of these healing methods.

There was a man in Donegal, actually, who had the cure of bleeding, to stop bleeding.

Actually, my father had the cure.

I better stop talking now.

No, it's funny that you mentioned that.

He had the cure of the burn.

The bleeding is interesting because my grandmother, she's 98 years old, and she just recently told me that, I guess, it would be her grandmother.

They would call on her to stop the bleeding.

I've got a lot of Celtic ancestry, Irish and Scottish.

That's interesting that you said that.

I'm wondering where that's coming from.

It's amazing.

Then you know this story about the seventh son of a seventh son.

They can cure ringworm.

Yeah.

All those cures that have been lost are-

They have been.

They shouldn't be.

They shouldn't be.

Honestly, there's a-

They work.

Oh, yeah.

They do work.

There's a parallel as far as here in the States.

I'm half native and we had a lot of our own curings, a lot of other things like that as well.

My grandmother, I can remember very well, she would create all kinds of things and they worked.

I remember getting stung by a wasp in my shoulder and it was awful.

I was actually allergic to them when I was a kid.

She took mud out of the ground and stuck it right on there and dried it up.

It was done.

I mean, like a day.

Anyway, we could probably talk forever about that stuff.

You could actually do a couple of programs.

Oh, for sure.

We're big proponents of it.

And maybe someday we will just do another show and we'll have you on.

Maybe you could stay here and watch the dogs and I can go over it all again.

I can make it for both of us.

I can make that sacrifice.

Did you see how I worked at it?

My biggest problem is I suffer from put the fork down itis.

I just, you know, but but listen, it was such a great time to have you back on.

You know, we were so happy that everything went well the last time.

You know, that it was able to step in.

It was such a heartbreak for poor Chris that he couldn't.

I know.

I know.

It really was.

But I mean, even, you know, I would send him photographs and I would think before I did, I would think, I wonder, should I do this?

I wonder, should I do this?

And then I thought, no, this was this was his dream.

So yeah, he needs to be part of it, you know?

Yeah, absolutely.

No, and we saw that when you did the thing, you did a FaceTime with with you guys and you could tell just by him talking, it really uplifted his spirit.

So absolutely the right call.

Yeah, I agree.

And he got to see all the gang and he got to see Ryan and Aaron from the school and Morris from the school as well.

And then Dave Schrader played that what he had picked up in the bathroom.

Yes.

And I think, yeah, he felt as if he was part of it that night.

Yeah.

I bet you that went a long, long way of making him feel a lot better.

But he's doing what he needs to do to take care of himself.

Yeah.

He's doing what he needs to do.

I felt good when I saw him on Facebook the other day.

We've been texting each other.

We do text each other.

Sure.

That's good.

That's good.

You can come high for us, by the way.

We do tell each other how miserable we are.

Right.

Well, you got to have somebody that understands what you're going through.

Yeah.

Or else I'll be lecturing him like a mother.

I think, you know, I'd say there are times if I was closer to him, he'd come and he'd probably punch me in the mouth.

Because I highly doubt that.

Because, you know, I would be kind of giving him a little bit of a lecture.

Well, he may just be there in June, so he'd never know.

I said, you know, you owe me a bloody dinner, I'll tell you that much.

You better come over to Thailand in June and buy me that dinner.

No kidding.

No kidding.

Well, Mai, listen, if you want to let our audience know where they can find your information, we'll put it in the notes as well, but you can just kind of give them an idea of where to go.

Well, if you go to Secret Ireland Tours, llc.com and then just go to the tab Spooky Tours, 2025, and you'll see Chris' Spooky Ireland Tour, I think it's called, and just click on that.

And then you'll see an interactive map, you'll see a green button.

If you want to get all the information, the itinerary, the whole lot, click on that and it'll bring you into our WeTravel page.

And there's the payment platform there, there's all the information, there's the itinerary.

Now, as I said, it's tentative, but most of it is actually pinned down now.

That's awesome.

That's great.

Yeah.

Well, investigation places are pinned down.

That's half the battle.

That's half the battle.

That's most battle actually.

It really is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, May, thank you so much.

Yeah, thank you.

It was awesome to have you back on.

Thank you so much.

And I just wish everybody a very, very happy Christmas, happy holidays and a fantastic 2025.

You as well.

Happy Christmas and a happy new year and all that.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Thank you so much and we look forward to talking to you soon.

Thank you very much.

God bless everybody.

God bless.

Thanks for coming on, May.

Yeah.

Thank you, May.

Yeah.

She's a lot of fun.

Amazing woman.

She's a firecracker, isn't she?

I love her.

But no, guys, really, if you get a chance and it's within your ability, go.

A lot of these things, we're just as guilty of it.

You always say, well, there's just not enough money and there isn't, we're never going to have all the money in the world.

No.

But if you have the opportunity to go, it's going to be one of those once in a lifetime type opportunities.

Yeah.

If you can get out there, by all means, you really should.

Yeah, absolutely.

And we need to take our own advice, I know, but.

Yeah, we do.

There are things in play.

Hopefully, we'll make it out there soon.

Maybe sooner than you think, who knows?

Yeah.

But I'm going to give you some information.

So the tour that we spoke about in the beginning is the Spooky Ireland Tour with Chris Fleming.

And that is from June 19th to the 27th of 2025.

That's a lot to say.

Yeah, I know.

I kind of got, oh.

Anyway, but you can book that through her website, secretirelandtoursllc.com.

And I think, I believe from the last time, you have to book your own flight.

So keep that in mind.

But there are payment plans.

So it's not like you have to have the bulk of the money right away.

So you could go ahead and at least book it.

It's Ireland.

And it's very spooky.

Go if you can.

We should go.

Anyway, yeah, guys, if you can make it out there, go.

It's Ireland.

It's a great company to go with.

Mae's fantastic.

Yeah, she provides a great time.

Yeah.

And if you all, you can go back and look at like Dave Schrader's pages, Ryan O'Neill from Haunted Scotland.

They recorded a lot of the stuff that they were doing, and it was so much fun.

Like I was just like, I wish I was there.

I mean, it just casually happened running at Grant Wilson.

I know.

I'm like, oh my God, really?

It's like Forrest Gump, then we went to the White House again.

I mean, geez.

They had an amazing time.

Yeah.

Well, guys, listen, we're excited to bring you the rest of this half of the season.

There's so much in store.

We changed things up for a reason.

And the other thing you didn't realize is that it is a new time that it came out.

Yeah.

So releasing on Wednesdays.

Releasing on Wednesdays now.

So anyway, guys, thank you so much and see you next week.

We'll see you next week.