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Delve into the world of the mysterious with Generation X Paranormal, a gripping podcast hosted by the dynamic duo, Logan and Nicole. Each episode takes you on an immersive journey through spine-chilling paranormal encounters, unsolved mysteries, cryptid sightings, and supernatural phenomena. From haunted locations and ghostly legends to UFO encounters and Bigfoot investigations, Generation X Paranormal fearlessly explores the unexplained with a blend of curiosity, wit, and reverence.
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Haunted Jerome: Ghostly Tales and Paranormal Adventures in Arizona's Mysterious Town
What mysteries lie hidden in the hills of Jerome, Arizona? Join us as we traverse the rugged landscapes from Missouri to this enigmatic mining town, with our loyal canine companion in tow. Settle into the Mayor's Cottage on Cleopatra Hill, where the views are as rich as Jerome's storied past. We'll unravel the town's evolution from a thriving copper hub in the 1920s to its struggles during the Great Depression, painting a vivid picture of resilience and rebirth. The echoes of dynamite blasts and the whispers of the past linger in this once-booming town, now a canvas of historical wonders waiting to be explored.
Jerome is more than just a remnant of its mining glory days—it's a hotbed of supernatural intrigue. Our footsteps lead us through the town's famed haunted locales, from the spine-chilling Jerome Grand Hotel to the inviting yet eerie Haunted Hamburger. Each location offers its own tales of spectral residents, like the elusive "Lady in Red," who have captured the imaginations of ghost hunters and history buffs alike. Here, amidst Jerome's colorful vistas and haunting legends, we indulge in the town's unique blend of hospitality and the paranormal.
Prepare for ghost stories that will send a chill down your spine as we visit the iconic landmarks steeped in Jerome's mysterious aura. Whether you're savoring a meal with a view at the Haunted Hamburger or listening for ghostly whispers at Jerome Grand Hotel, each experience adds another layer to the town's haunting charm. We also uncover lesser-known sites like the Hogback Cemetery, where the past's enigmatic whispers beckon you closer. Jerome, Arizona, promises an unforgettable adventure, brimming with the allure of its scenic beauty and the thrill of its haunted history.
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Here are the reported hauntings. Now here is what's interesting. So we've got some information from the owner. When he first moved in and started work Okay, he said that there was kind of a feeling like when you went in, that like your presence being there was kind of being questioned, like if it was okay for you to be there, if you were welcomed or not.
Speaker 1:So, so well, hey, everybody, welcome back hey, everyone it's generation x paranormal.
Speaker 1:I'm logan and
speaker 3:I'm nicole
Speaker 1:, so you know you always hear about people that live in certain states where there's like a major um you know destination or national treasure or something like that Kind of. Admittedly, I'm from Arizona primarily and I've never been to the Grand Canyon from the Arizona side, only from the Utah side, which basically tells you I really hadn't spent a lot of time way up north in Arizona, probably for a lot of reasons that you know. My whole family's in the southern, so there's really not a ton of reason to be up there. Been to Sedona once Went with my dad, but we didn't really do much and I think we went on a trip one time with my mom to Show Low and a few other places, but for the most part I rarely had ever been up to the northern Arizona area.
Speaker 1:That changed? Yes, primarily, I rarely had ever been up up to the uh, northern Arizona area.
speaker 3:That changed, yes, quite primarily because of me,
Speaker 1:yes, primarily because of her. Uh, you know, we, we, and we've talked about it several times, but we take trips back home, visit my family and we happen to take a trip. This time we took, uh, we took our jeep and our dog with us, which, by the way, when you're driving from missouri to arizona with a dog, it's um, yeah, you see where a movie like vacation can, can kind of come to reality, because it's just yeah, you have to plan your whole trip around that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's very different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it really is. Yes, anyway, say all that to say we took a trip out there. We spent probably about a month in in uh of october there, mainly in tucson, but when we left tucson our goal was to go up north, visit sedona yes and, while doing that, our my sister was going to go up there with our nephews and we're going to spend some time in sedona, which was great, by the way yes but intermediately we, yes, but Intermediately we stayed at Jerome.
Speaker 1:Never been to Jerome, and If you're into any kind of paranormal, you know what Jerome is. Yes, it's not, um, it's not one thing. I mean, all the big you know TV things have been there. You know, uh, you know, I think Ghost Adventures, ghost Hunt, all of them have been there. So it's no stranger to paranormal shows or paranormal activity for that matter. But yeah, we got to stay there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we were there only for what? A night and part of a day, right, because we were in transition going into Sedona, right? So Jerome is a mining, old mining town basically so it's up, you know, on a mountain very, very cool though it is very, very cool. I wish we would have been able to spend more time. Yeah, um, but we're going to talk about today. Although we visit all the local like hot spots, we weren't able to stay at any of the places because we had el pucho with us so but we did get to stay in a really cool little airbnb which we're going to share here and it was really cool.
Speaker 1:It was up on the side which all the houses are on the side of the mountain so you know, you take that for?
Speaker 1:what it's worth. But this one had a really cool view and had a little garden area and it was called the mayor's cottage and garden and it's owned by jim and joseph and it's a mile high up on cleopatra hill, which is the hill basically that jerome sits on, and it has views of the mongolian rim, including oak creek canyon, sedona, sycamore canyon and in the entire verde valley. We're going to put up a map here of what the verde valley is.
Speaker 1:I mean it spans a very large area so cottonwood and clarkdale are the towns that you know are basically at the bottom of the mountain from where jerome sits, and then you got to drive another what I think it was like 45 minutes or an hour to sedona, right, but you can see the red rocks oh yeah, from jerome, so it's very, very interesting yeah, in what?
speaker 3:another thing that you find interesting about it is when you say on the hillside folks, let me tell you when we say hillside it's like Mountainside.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a drop Like we could look out the windows from the Airbnb we were standing in, even the bathroom window, and it was just like drop yeah. And I was like thinking about that. The whole time we were sleeping and it was very, very nice oh it's gorgeous, yeah and very comfortable and it actually has a little historic thing which we won't go into here, but we're going to put the link to the airbnb. If you would like to go, stay there. The owners are very gracious it was.
speaker 3:It was an awesome time um, but yeah, it was really really cool yeah, and I think that that drive up it and we're going up there for some reason and I know they two don't look anything alike, but I started getting this like shining thing going, you know, in my mind, as we're kind of winding around. So it's very remote and even though Cottonwood and Clarksdale, especially Cottonwood, is not that far, no, it's not. Yeah, In fact, I would imagine.
speaker 3:That's where they have to all go to buy things I would think yeah, and if you live in Jerome you may work probably there. I mean, if you don't get a job in Jerome, there's not a ton of probably jobs to have there.
Speaker 1:It's a very artistic type city. Yeah probably jobs to have there. So it's a very artistic type city. Yeah, um, but I was funny because we saw the sign for uh, 365 days a year going up that road and all I could think in my mind was winter time. There is no way. No, if there's like snow or ice, I would be going down those roads no no way, I mean, it's sketchy even.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we were there in october and I mean of course it was just fall, but um, so there's nothing on the roads. But I was like there's no way.
speaker 3:I'd try to even attempt now and we've got a rubicon and I wouldn't even do it in that.
Speaker 1:No but I guess if you live there you get used to the roads and it's like anywhere else like people come from the south here to missouri and they're like I'm not driving in that and we're like that's not a big deal so it's just I what you get used to.
speaker 3:For sure.
Speaker 1:I was like nope.
speaker 3:And another reason I had heard about Jerome is I'm a huge fan of Tool, love that band and Maynard James Keenan, I think, still lives there.
Speaker 1:Well, he was living there when he decided to start the band. So I don't know for sure. I think he does, yeah, but yeah, it's pretty cool. And I also discovered there's a song by a woman named Kate Wolfe and she wrote a song about Jerome called Old Jerome. So you should go check that out. We'll put the link to the YouTube channel that at least I found the song on.
speaker 3:Yeah, wish we could play it, but you know copyright thing yeah.
Speaker 1:So let's get into our trip to Jerome. Sounds good. So let's get into our trip to Jerome. Sounds good. So let's get started on the history of Jerome. Okay, and like I, said it's a former mining town. So, let's get started at the very beginning Now, in 1870, there were a number of claims that were filed around this clear Patrick Hill, which I mentioned before, and it's technically in the Black Mountains of Arizona, okay, which there's tons of different mountain ranges in.
Speaker 1:Arizona, so it's just the black mountains, and they decided to do large-scale mining and they have copper ore there and we took some pictures we'll put up here that kind of show it in the hillside. Now they wouldn't start until financing was secured from Paulina and Eugene Jerome of New York City and one of the conditions of their investment in this mining was to name the camp after Eugene Jerome.
speaker 3:How about that?
Speaker 1:You know copper.
speaker 3:Arizona is the copper state, yeah there's many copper mines. In fact, my whole family my dad worked at a copper smelter. My grandfather worked. I mean my entire family. My dad worked at a copper smelter, my grandfather worked. I mean my entire family is from Douglas, arizona, on my dad's side and actually kind of my mom's side a little bit. They moved there. So copper is nothing new to us. But what's interesting is well, it's a copper, there's a little bit more of a tie to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now in 1883, Eugene Jerome and James MacDonald formed the United Verde Copper Company, which I find funny because Verde is Spanish for green. And what happens with copper when it?
speaker 3:It patinas and gets old.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it turns, green IE.
speaker 3:Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 1:Yes, exactly, and with the aid of two new blast furnaces they were turning out tons of copper and even sizable amounts of gold and silver every month. The price of copper slid to about 42 percent in 1884 and they finally closed the mine. So from like in 1883 to 1884, it was only one year where they were starting to make money, and then the copper slid yeah, that's crazy.
speaker 3:And you know what's interesting is, even at the time of this, recording copper is insanely expensive. It still is. You know there were over the last few years people have talked about coming and stealing pipe stuff and from construction sites oh yeah, they even steal off.
Speaker 1:I know at the graveyard where my family like is all buried they were were stealing the vases and stuff of the copper.
speaker 3:Yeah, which, by the way, yuck and they go in and steal copper out of houses old houses and stuff. Yeah, they do.
Speaker 1:So in 1888, Senator William A Clark of Montana acquired the United Verde Copper Company for $60 million and then the mining and the smelting resumed, 1888, $60 million.
speaker 3:That's a lot of money.
Speaker 1:That's a lot of money now, yeah, now, after he acquired this, the price of copper of course went up, so over a billion dollars of copper, gold and silver would eventually be extracted from this mining company, and the Little Daisy Mine owned by James McDouglas opened up, which was an extension. So they had the main one and they had a little side one. Oh yeah, a little side piece.
Speaker 2:A little side action, a little side piece mining Side hustle. Yeah, little side piece, little side action.
Speaker 1:Side hustle. Yeah, the copper increased, like the price of copper increased from 1888 to 1894. And so Clark decided to build a railroad known as the United Verde and Pacific Railroad, and it still operates today.
speaker 3:Yeah, I mean it's pretty well known.
Speaker 1:I mean it's kind of the lifeblood of that area Now, because of the railroad, jerome grew steadily, reaching a population of 15,000 people in the mid-1920s, which still just blows me away. Now you're not going to see that. No, the massive growth and questionable development resulted in four major fires that almost wiped out Jerome, so lots of buildings burned down and I mean there was a whole mess of stuff.
Speaker 1:I mean, even to this day they're kind of all right on top of each other they are. There was also several hundred pounds of dynamite that accidentally detonated in 1926 that destroyed a sizable part of downtown jerome I like how it's accidental, like does someone? Just go, oh surprise well, with all that mining stuff you know, there's powder and there's all sorts of stuff that we don't even realize that's there Now.
Speaker 1:The stock market crash hit Jerome in 1929 with the start of the Great Depression, when the price of copper plummeted. And in 1932, the price of copper decreased to five cents a pound, god, and they decided to close the mine and the smelter. The miners left and the town's population fell to less than 5 000 people. So 15 000 people to 5 000 people, that's crazy.
speaker 3:Well at five cents a pound, I mean so like 10 000 people left that town.
Speaker 1:That's no joke, and being there I can't even imagine 15,000 people. Well, how could Like?
speaker 3:where would they go? Easily, they had to tear down buildings. Well, yeah, there's 15,000 people couldn't fit in. What's there now?
Speaker 1:Well, they could in the surrounding area. Well, yeah, true, but we don't see that anymore. The buildings are compacted, basically. Now in 1935, the Phelps Dodge Company bought the mine for $21 million and restarted the operations, and that remained in operation for another 18 years and it closed in 1953.
speaker 3:Yeah, and that's significant because that is the same people that own the smelter in Douglas, arizona, the Phelps Dodge Corporation, and my father. I've got generations of family that work for him. Now there's going to be some that are happy with that company and there's a lot that aren't, because when they pulled shocks out of Douglas, it pretty much left that town in ruin.
Speaker 1:The Jerome Historical Society formed to quote, protect, preserve and present the unique physical and cultural history of Jerome through its buildings, architecture, research, archives, museum and other programs, for the benefit of residents and current and future generations. So they formed that to protect the town so it wouldn't basically disappear Right Now. By 1960, fewer than 100 people lived in Jerome.
speaker 3:That I bought.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100 people lived in jerome that I bought. Yeah, but in 1966 the town of jerome was designated as a national historic landmark and in the 60s and 70s a younger crowd moved in and you know they like to say there was. They were filled with a bunch of hippies and artists yes, um, and you still find that to this day there's a lot of artistic shops. Oh absolutely, it's very much like Bisbee.
Speaker 2:It's exactly.
Speaker 1:The town of Bisbee is a copper mine and it's very filled with and I basically, when we were there, I said this is like the Bisbee of the North.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's northern Bisbee. That's how I saw it. 100% yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's really cool because they you go to some places and you go. Okay, yeah, I could be here.
speaker 3:And it was a cool place yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. Now. A man named Al Palmer, the former mayor of Jerome in the nineties, got Jerome on the tourist map and, with along with his efforts and the town council, it helped Jerome become the third most visited Arizona site, even visited today, with over 1.5 million visitors each year. Jeez, that's a lot.
speaker 3:That is a lot so obviously they cater to tourists. Right, well, and it makes sense.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, yeah, today there are about 450 residents, many of who are retired artists, business owners and workers. The downtown area has over 15 restaurants and wine bars, with two vintage saloons. Nice, there are over 25 galleries and a number of unique shops that represent local artists.
speaker 3:That's cool. That's why the town's so cool. Yeah, it's really cool. Plus, mayor James Keenan lived there. I mean, come on.
Speaker 1:Sorry, now.
speaker 3:You know, when it comes to Jerome, you're right, it's a lot like Bisbee in the sense that there's just there's that eclectic thing and there's always, and it's funny because you see that in a lot of mining towns, and I just find that interesting because there was anything but eclectic back then. You know, back then it was kind of like uh, uh, well, it's like tombstone. When you see tomb there's a little cutthroat place. It was not, you know, it was built on some kind of shady stuff. So I just always find it interesting. Now Bisbee I don't think necessarily was, but for sure Tombstone, and it sounds like Jerome was kind of about the same.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think most of those Old West mining towns had the same kind of thing.
Speaker 2:So there was a lot of deaths.
Speaker 1:Obviously there was a lot of violence, Just crazy amount. And we're going to put up some of these. As we're speaking, I found some old newspaper articles of just people dying and people, people getting like murdering and all this other stuff just with this you know jerome on it, I mean and that that is just a little bit crazy. Now we're going to talk about some actual haunted locations, but let's talk about why we think it's so. Obviously for the reasons we just spoke about, but also well what's in the the hillside?
Speaker 1:it's copper, copper, and copper is known as like a conductor. It basically amplifies right spiritual activity it's.
speaker 3:It's, first of all, it's no secret it's nature's greatest conductor. I mean, yes, look at any wiring you have in your house has copper, most likely unless it's fiber optic and you ran your whole house fiber optic, which means you're too rich to watch us anyway. Um, but you know, you look at those things and a lot of um, even typical ghost hunting gear, which I hate that word goes uh, we'll just say paranormal investigating gear has a ton of copper my dowsing rods dowsing rods yes and they work phenomenally, so probably our best gear, yeah like mine were actually dug like the copper was dug out of the ground near a river so they very much, so yeah, they're pretty supercharged
speaker 3:so yeah, it's a natural conductor, as it is, and depending on how you feel about, uh, ghost activity, a lot of people feel it is an electrical charge. There's electricity behind it, which is why we measure it with EMF gauges, why we measure it with milimeters and all these different things, because we suspect that it's electrical. So anything with copper and electrical is going to be a natural conduit. That's why I think and there's another part to this what else is in drone Water?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, see Gotcha, I was trying to think what? What's he talking about?
speaker 3:Yeah, there is.
Speaker 1:We did find some running water, and that's too specific to a place at least that we saw. Yeah, and we'll talk about Now. Cottonwood does actually have a lot of lush Cottonwood trees.
speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:And that's why it's named Cottonwood, and there's a major I think it's the, actually it's the Verde River that runs through there. Yep, because we were looking and they have like even kayak trips and stuff. Yeah, let me say something here when you're in Arizona, you don't see boats, you don't see kayak, you don't see that in arizona now grand canyon has the colorado river flowing through it and you do it see it up and yeah, but if you're kind of out in this area where it's kind of more desert, yeah, you don't really see that, but cottonwood does have the big trees which I thought was really interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it does but you drive just over from cottonwood is sedona and you don't have that.
speaker 3:No, it's pretty dry.
Speaker 2:You're back in Lake Desert, you know.
Speaker 1:So it's very rare to see that. But yeah, we did see some water flowing and we just kind of ran upon it and I didn't know it was going to be there. So yeah, there's a lot of stuff going on in Jerome.
speaker 3:And going to be there. Um, so, yeah, there's, there's a lot of stuff going on in jerome and when you already got all this tragedy and if that holds on to that, it's a super charge. Yeah, I mean honestly, jerome, much like tombstone, much like some of these places that have water, have the type of geological stuff in it, it turns into kind of like one of those hotbeds.
Speaker 1:And there's something to say about mountains. I don't know what it is, and it must just be what's in the mountain, the rocks in the mountain. But every place we've ever gone that has a mountain has some kind of juju. I like that word because it's the only way to explain it. There is juju going on.
speaker 3:Well, with my limited amount of scientific knowledge, the way I understood mountains to form is there were two standing bodies of land and, whether that be through earthquake or whatever, they slammed up against each other.
Speaker 1:And they come up and it created.
speaker 3:So when you have rock that hits each other just a basic abc123 science rocks that slam against each other what do they do? They spark yeah, they kind of right. There's an energy to it an electrical charge.
speaker 3:So two big land masses that slam against each other bound to create some kind of whether it's a residual energy or however it is. But I've especially in our culture we always think of the mountains as being I mean, they're not dead objects, they're very alive, there's, there's a lot of things that are done with it because of that very nature. I think that having those two forces collide creates that energy, creates all these other different things. Then you add the fact that it's copper, the fact that there's running water, again supercharged.
Speaker 1:Yeah, true, in this specific spot. And most mountains have running water. So we get there, we unpack everything and we've got the dog with us. We're like, okay, we wanted to go to one of the really cool restaurants but, dog right Now.
Speaker 1:I will say, though, arizona is very animal friendly. That's right, jerome was very animal friendly. We just looked up to see what restaurants would accept a dog. Well, we found one that had a really cool title and we weren't super hungry. But I'm like I want to get out and at least experience. We can just get appetizers or something. And we find this restaurant called the Haunted Hamburger so awesome. It was so awesome, and they, you know, I contacted them and they allow pets and they have an inside, and then they have an outdoor seating, like on a balcony. I'm like, of course we're going to sit on the outside, you know, of course, and they have a. The outside balcony has like an overlook, like, and it was so cool. So we went around sunset, brought the dog and they allowed us to sit out on the patio.
Speaker 1:Really, really awesome little place and I'm like why is it called the haunted hamburger? There's got to be some reason and we did talk um to the manager. She came to our table and yeah, and the uh, our waitress was really cool. Yeah, um, and they gave us some stuff. We're going to put the pictures up here of like their, their menu and how to contact them, and they even have a little gift shop. You can buy little stuff.
speaker 3:Yeah, I didn't get to go in, but you did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we go into the gift shop after we ate, of course, and so I just wanted to show this. We we always get shot glasses that's our thing wherever we go, because it's something small that you can put in a suitcase and then you know you display where you've traveled that's right so I'm gonna show this little shot glass if you're on the video podcast yeah, and if you're not, uh, just a clear one.
speaker 3:It's a clear one with a big h and says haunted hamburger.
Speaker 1:They did have the glasses that they serve your drinks in and stuff. Yeah, that was cool. But I'm like, oh, we've got already so much yeah by that part of the trip we had already jeep was completely back to full. Definitely was back to full but it it was really good food. You had the what I had the hamburger sliders? Yeah, and we'll put pictures up here of us sitting there and I had, which is something.
Speaker 1:Well, we had deep fried pickles we shared between the two of us which are really good, but something I had never seen on a menu, and I'm not a spice person. I love it, but it does not love me, and so I have to always be really careful. But, these are really good, but after a few, like I, ate most of them.
Speaker 1:You did, but they started to get a little heated but they were chipotle deviled eggs and I love deviled eggs, but I was like I had never seen that before and they were delicious, but by the end my face was starting to get a little red they put that on the burgers too, like a sauce.
speaker 3:It's very good, but yeah it had a little zip to it.
Speaker 1:when you go to the southwest, I mean that's the thing they like to it. Had a little zip to it when you go to the Southwest, I mean that's the thing they like to spice it up, that's what we do. But thank you to everybody at the Haunted Hamburger and we're going to provide their Facebook page here and you can go visit them. If you're in Jerome, you've got to go there.
Speaker 1:It's just a really, really cool little space and everybody's so friendly, and the manager was telling us about everything that happens in the restaurant and was pointing out other places in town. Yeah, and it's super haunted. Yeah, you can feel it. Yeah, but here's some of the what they say happens. So there's cans that fly off the shelves. Um, the hot water gets turned on in the middle of the night, which that's a bill. Yeah, distinct smells in the stairwell and there are photographs taken by the guests that show an apparition of a woman interesting but it kind of sits on that.
Speaker 1:I can't remember what street's on, but there's kind of like a main street that kind of goes through the town. Yeah it kind of kind of winds around and it kind of just sits right there and it's just down from one of the other places we're going to discuss, right.
Speaker 1:So yeah, it's kind of a main thoroughfare there it is, and first of all parking's a little bit of a challenge, but it's still worth it, um oh, it's totally worth it, even if you have to walk a little bit too, it's worth it and I love and we'll show the pictures up here, but they've got like a little skeleton hanging off the edge of their sign that says montanberger I was like that's so cool when we first pulled up I was like what is that skeleton doing to that sign?
speaker 3:it's so cool it looks a little interesting, but no, it is really cool.
Speaker 1:So make sure and check them out, go visit them if you're. You're in town, just an awesome, awesome place yeah, it really is.
speaker 3:I'm glad we I'm glad we just decided to go out because we're pretty tired, but yeah and it was perfect.
Speaker 1:Amount of food, great view. We watched the sunset. We did yeah. It just was perfect and we got to bring our dog and he was really good.
speaker 3:Yep, the man-to-man.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, Yep. Now on to one of the main places talked to or talked about in Jerome as being haunted, which is the Connor Hotel. Yeah, jerome. As being haunted, which is the connor hotel, yeah, okay now it was built in 1898 by david connor, which is appropriate for the name.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it fits irishman, obviously. Now. It was originally designed with 20 rooms upstairs and it was a first class lodging establishment also offered bathroom, card rooms and billiard tables. On the first floor the rooms were rented on the what was called the european plan okay okay, for the pricely sum of one dollar per night, wouldn't that be nice. Now, the connor's telephone number was eight oh, it's long distance eight one I don't know how long distance.
Speaker 1:I'm 10 this is interesting the stone foundations for the building were quarried from the hills around jerome and the brick was fired in nearby cottonwood okay so you're seeing where we're getting I see what you're putting down, yeah now before the turn of the century, the hotel burned to the ground twice, so I don't think the complete thing did, but like it was burnt twice. But remember we talked about all the fires that happened.
speaker 3:There's only dynamite.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it reopened in August of 1899, being one of the finest lodging establishments in a booming mining town in the West. Hmm, I paid a dollar for this room. Yeah, I paid a dollar for this room, though the hotel was too expensive for the quote ladies of the night okay to use for their customers. There was a false storefront located at the west end of the building which opened up to the infamous quote husband's alley. Oh, okay.
speaker 3:The ladies of the night.
Speaker 1:Where the ladies had their own cribs. Now, if you don't know what a crib is, we do because we've been to Tombstone many, many times. It's basically a room.
speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's not a great one either. It's called a crib. It's basically big enough for a bed to do the business, and that was it.
speaker 3:It's an F? Shack.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, yeah, now when the mines? Oh sure, yeah Right, and it caused it to close in 1931. The shops on the first floor were continually rented, but the upstairs rooms remained vacant. Now, in the 1980s, there was a restoration done to make it safe once again for guests, because you go that long, or a long time period.
speaker 3:Just a slight amount of time.
Speaker 1:Now. Here are the hauntings okay, yeah or what's claimed. There are said to be two spirits that are said to haunt the building a lady in red and a male spirit. Now we're going to talk about some specific rooms here and we should say that we were only out in front of this because obviously, yeah, had the dog, so we couldn't really go in, know, because we weren't, we didn't know where we were allowed to walk and we couldn't stay there. I kind of wanted to stay there, but, yeah, dogs, yeah. Now room number one.
speaker 3:Okay, people say they can hear a woman whispering as well as they can hear scratching sounds you know when, when we do any kind of investigation or just in general loud stuff, it's scary. I'm not saying it's not, but whispers it's different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and scratching sounds. Now, could that be an animal with as old of a building it is? In the walls yeah, I could see that yeah yeah, one guest said that he felt a cold presence. Join him in bed by lying on top of him. Now that's different. I don't know how you explain that. One In the F-jack, I don't know where room one is. No, I think these are no, because there's a store at the bottom.
speaker 3:Oh, that's right.
Speaker 1:And so this is up at the top. Okay, Now an artist that was staying there, kept seeing a Lady in Red in his dreams. And this is why this means something to me, because whenever I get contact, it's always through my dreams. And it's weird because at the time you're not scared, because it's in your dreams and you wake up and think about it. You're like whoa.
speaker 3:There's that protection right there.
Speaker 1:So he decided to paint a large mural, which is now found above the bar, in the spirit room of the Lady in Red, and the spirit room is like a bar that they've got in the downstairs area of the hotel and so we're going to include that photo here, and there is a Lady in Red and maybe she was one of the lady.
speaker 3:Maybe she was the head lady. You know that Lady in Red song just keeps coming in.
Speaker 1:I know, I know In room five people feel hot and cold spots. Which a hot spot? I don't know what that would be I've never.
speaker 3:It is arizona. I mean, yeah, I don't know, hot spot that you would feel in the air would probably just be like a warm breeze, maybe I don't know I don't know or that's interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but the cold spot I get.
speaker 3:I've seen that and felt it.
Speaker 1:Now people's hair on their arms and neck stand straight up. We've had that happen and they hear strange noises. Yes, Electrical appliances like TVs and lights malfunction and they say the alarm clock goes off by itself when the room is empty.
speaker 3:Yeah, again, you know, you look at the whole 30,000-foot view. You say to yourself, okay, it's just, I know, you think I say that a lot. And you say to yourself, it's just, you know what. Can it be explained? Yeah, I mean theoretically, copper electrical we already discussed it's a conduit. Could there be a you know, a discharge of some sort to affect this? Sure, but looking at the bigger picture, yeah, and for it to just happen in one specific room versus the entire place.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Now, the second floor bathroom, um, they say. Well, there was a relative of the owner who was using the bathroom when she heard a soft man's voice calling her in the bathroom there's a thing about bathrooms. There is like you're very vulnerable. Yeah, that is not cool. Like I hear people talking about like things happen when they're in the shower and stuff. That's where I draw the line. I'm like you can wait until I'm out.
speaker 3:You got your derriere in the air and you got somebody whispering at you.
Speaker 1:Geez and a soft man's voice. That's really odd. Well, at least it's soft, but if it was a relative of the owner, that means she's probably there a lot. Yeah, and they may know her by name, maybe, so that that's a little interesting to me I yeah, but the bathroom because the guests? They're not. They come and go but, this is someone they probably knew yeah, probably now in the stairs and in the hallways, photographs that people take capture, which I don't know. It says the vortex of an invisible entity on the stairs.
speaker 3:I don't know what that means well, I mean, I guess you would figure a tornado technically is a vortex, so probably like a, a v-shaped kind of mist, I don't know yeah, I don't know exactly, but that's what's reported anyway, now in the spirit room, like I mentioned, that's the name of the saloon type bar thing. That's in the, you know, the first floor which is a really cool name because spirit obviously being alcohol.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought that was really cool. Now the lady in red appears to stand looking at a person before slowly fading away, so she is seen there, and that would make sense if she was on the first floor, sure? Yeah, that does make sense because that's where all that activity happened. Now people also report being touched by an unseen person in the bar. Now is it that's happening, or are they just little?
speaker 3:had a few too many drinks, a little lucy lou, hey.
Speaker 1:But I could see that.
Speaker 1:I mean, if that was the floor where these women yeah that that does make sense to me well, that's where they conducted their business exactly and business was good now on to the, now on to the main haunt of this town, okay, which is the Jerome Grand Hotel, okay, and it is very much like the Shining Hotel. It's up on this hillside and to get a good view of it and get a good picture of it, we actually had to have drive away from jerome, like we're still in jerome, but across and you'll see. Then we were able to get a full picture of the city.
speaker 3:Um and honestly, that's cool building. Oh yeah, and that's why I got the shining vibe when we're driving up there, because you do see it from the road as it's winding up.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, and it sits up on this big hilltop. It's very cool and you know I had to walk up to it to try to get pictures of some of this stuff. But as I was doing that, as we were talking about the water, before I noticed I had to cross over like this little culvert of running water that's going right underneath the hotel and we've got a picture that I took. I tried to get the picture and if people saw me there were a few of how it was dangling over this thing to try to get the picture of the culvert and up to the hotel to show that it's like folks, we go the extra mile for you.
Speaker 1:Yes, we do. I'm like I'm gonna break my leg or my arm doing this. That's not cool I had to dangle the the camera down which had my heart that I got the shot.
speaker 3:Yeah, let's just dangle our expensive gear over and hope, nothing happens but I got it, and that's all that matters you got it so the jerome grand hotel.
Speaker 1:It was constructed in 1926 but it started out as the united verde hospital, okay, to replace the old hospital that was constructed in 1917 that had damaged south wing. So this hospital was basically to yep take care of all the miners and anybody that got hurt, and anybody who knows mining?
speaker 3:who's been raised around mining? It is constant.
Speaker 1:Horrific injuries.
speaker 3:Injuries, deaths yeah, the things my family has told me that happened just in the smelter alone, not just the mine. Oh gosh.
Speaker 1:Now the United Verde Copper Company insisted that the building be built fireproof and to be able to withstand major blasting from the mines. So each floor has three fire zones and when the stairway uh, stairwell doors close, a six hour fire break is between the floors. So they've got six hours to try to fight that before it goes to the next floor.
speaker 3:I can't even imagine that it'd take two hours to get to it. You know, coming up the road Probably yeah.
Speaker 1:Now this resulted in what is termed as an above-ground bomb shelter, in the Spanish mission styles, the way it's described as being built. Okay, all the exterior walls, floors and roof are reinforced, poured in place concrete, with the only wood used in construction being doors, windows and built-in cabinets. Okay, yeah, the walls between the rooms are compressed, gypsum blocks plastered on both sides, and the ceilings are suspended metal lath and plaster.
Speaker 2:Hmm, man, that's some reinforcing there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is why the thing's still around.
speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It is 30,000 square feet. Yeah, that is a lot of coverage and it featured patient call lights, balconies, sun porches, emergency backup lighting and they had one of those Otis self-service elevators.
speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. They had one of those otis self-service elevators. They had an ice making room, laboratories and x-ray, major and minor surgical facilities, men's, women's and children's wards, private and semi-private rooms, blanket warming closets and housing for some staff. Yeah, that's massive. That's huge. In 1930 it was considered the most modern hospital in Arizona and possibly the western states. More than 9,000 people died in the hospital. Wow. The hospital closed in 1950 and most of the furnishings were removed in the 70s and 80s 9,000 people Now.
speaker 3:I mean, and there's probably more, but that's what they know for sure you know you look at like, uh, all the big, big hotels or hospitals, rather that you know that are well known to be hot spots.
Speaker 1:You gotta know this place is just non-stop ghost or ghost fun you know it's just well, and I found some newspaper articles of people actually like that got injured and actually died in the hospital and obviously there I could have gone for hours. I just clipped a few to show.
speaker 3:But you know, not good, no deaths no, and hospitals, I mean they just have that now. I do know a lot of hospitals are residual, but still I know that there's got to be some active and some intelligent.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it's got to be just wicked crazy. Now it closes the hospital After the suicide. So the caretaker in the 80s killed himself, they think in the boiler room. So after that happened the building was boarded up and watched over by local police and a small staff and then in december of 1993 it was sold to larry alther who still owns and operates it to this day, and that's when you know his name wasn't freddie.
speaker 3:The guy killed himself in the boiler room, was it?
Speaker 1:I don't know, okay. Why are you saying that the guy killed himself in the boiler room, was it? I don't know, okay, why are you saying that?
Speaker 2:What was that Nightmare on Elm Street?
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't like those movies so I don't pay attention. Now, excavation was done during the first two years of renovation and it wasn't until July of 96 that the first rooms were ready and the building was opened as a hotel. And in 2003, which I love, this, this, and I wish we could have gone because it's been awesome they name now this is not an asylum, this is a regular hospital. But they named the restaurant the asylum restaurant. Yes, and they opened that in um 2003. That's really cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, here are the reported hauntings. Now here is what's interesting. So we've got some information from the owner. When he first moved in and started work, okay, he said that there was kind of a feeling, like when you went in, that like your presence being there was kind of being questioned, like if it was okay for you to be there, if you were welcomed or not. And he said, after being there for about a couple months, he said this feeling started to relax, being questioned like if it was okay for you to be there, um, if you were welcomed or not. And he said, after being there for about a couple months, he said this feeling started to relax.
Speaker 1:And then one day during the second month it totally went away for him at least during the following months, there became a feeling of a protective nature, like, okay, they've, he's been accepted as being the new owner and it's okay to be there yeah now the owner also said that out of the many visiting psychics over the years which he's, I guess, brought them in, three of them seem to pick up a number of things, both past and present. Two in particular said quote the head nurse or the nurse in charge okay was upset with the removal of the desks. Okay, which would make sense.
speaker 3:Yeah, I mean it's very important for them.
Speaker 1:Now. Both of the psychics were in what is now the restaurant lounge area and originally the dispensary and main entrance for the hospital. The owner told each psychic the original dispensary desks were in storage. The psychics did not know each other and visited more than a year apart.
speaker 3:That's interesting yeah.
Speaker 1:Interesting the hotel and he asked the owner what they were and if he could use them in the restaurant area. Interesting. Given permission, the original dispensary counter height desks were relocated within a few feet of the original placement.
Speaker 1:To date, the head nurse has made no more complaints isn't that interesting well, at least about the desk, they say yeah fair enough the hotel owner does admit that if there are spirits, they must be a lot happier occupying a hotel instead of a hospital, and I thought this was fun. He said they are dealing with the clientele that are here by choice and not necessity nice, that's a good way to spin it.
speaker 3:Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1:So I thought that was a really, really cool little tidbit. Yeah, now guests and workers and stuff, they say they hear coughing and labored breathing coming from empty rooms, children laughing and crying in empty rooms, in the hallways, newborn baby cries on the third and fourth floors, which is where yep the needle natal well, maybe not neonatal, but just like uh you know what do they call that for kids um? Well, like all the birthing rooms and stuff, that's what I'm talking about name, just escapes me anyway there's a smell of flowers um dust, cigar, smoke and whiskey, which is a great combination.
Speaker 1:Flowers, I mean flowers get delivered in the hospital. Um dust, I think, is probably just being where it is. Yeah, um, but cigar, smoke and whiskey, I thought was interesting yeah, it just means makes me think of the.
speaker 3:You know the amount of people that were there. You know smoking cigars and like a big. I mean, yeah, they would have done that yeah even if it was a hospital.
Speaker 1:I mean, at that time period they didn't know it was bad for them.
speaker 3:I wonder, if they paid more than a dollar at the hospital?
Speaker 1:probably, yeah, yeah, now there are light anomalies and televisions turning on by themselves. Um, there is a ghost of a cat on the third floor.
speaker 3:Okay, there's always like a cat ghost there is never, not I mean, I'm not saying they don't exist, but dog ghosts.
Speaker 1:You don't really hear that much about that's because cats are independent and they're they're tied to the spiritual world. You know think about the pharaohs and stuff in egypt they were frightened of them, yeah, they yeah well somewhere now the third floor, um. I guess most of the deaths occurred in the operating room there I could see that sure now they say that they hear the sound of a hospital gurney, like the wheels going across the floor like the squeaky, yeah in case you guys didn't pick that up, that was no need to repeat now.
Speaker 1:Room number 32 um, it was a former hospital guest room with a balcony and the site of two possible suicides. One former minor confined to a wheelchair reportedly climbed Yuck. Oh, okay, because there is one talk about a businessman.
speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:The caretaker who committed suicide in the boiler room okay, um, the caretaker who committed suicide in the boiler room um, and there's also a maintenance man, claude claude, claude claude harvey was found in the basement crushed by the elevator in 1935. Yikes, and they think he rides the otis elevator at all hours because they'll they'll catch it moving and there's no one on it.
speaker 3:I wonder if those are like modern elevators, where they run a cycle or they just go up and down well, it's the old otis yeah, you're right elevator so I don't, I don't think so. That's freaky, yeah, I thought that was really interesting, are you? First of all? Just a few of those alone would be enough to go. Okay, you're gonna really check it out, but I'd love to see this elevator thing that'd be really interesting, I know I wish you could have gone in there we will be back though, because I without the pets because I want to go in all these places.
Speaker 1:Yep, and there's one other place that I wanted to mention and I just happened to find it and it is really cool, and that's where a lot of the pictures that we got, like the distance pictures of jerome, because is the thing in arizona that I noticed and to him it wasn't often I'm like it's really weird.
Speaker 1:Like everywhere you go, every mountain that they've got, they've got a letter in the side of it and, like arizona, in tucson, they've got the a for yep, for university of arizona, and bisbee, they've got the b, the b, and so we went to jerome. They had the j the j so we've got the picture of jerome with the. You know all the buildings and from the distance, you can see it. But the reason we found this and I didn't realize we were going to see all that is because we were looking for this cemetery.
speaker 3:Yes, okay, and it's a miners cemetery incidentally, if you're getting to this cemetery and you're on that main strip that we're talking about, that winds through, there's going to be a sign that tells you to go there. You're not going to fall off the mountain. It looks like it it looks like you're going to and every atom in your body is telling you don't make this turn.
Speaker 1:But don't worry, it's fine, you go down, you'll be okay but even if you don't go there for the cemetery, it gives you like 360 views, yeah, of like the city and the um mining, you know the smelter and everything it's really cool, it's really we've got pictures of that here, um, but it's called the hog back cemetery because the ridge that it sits on is Hogback Ridge, which is an interesting name Very interesting.
Speaker 1:Now there is, the cemetery is kind of locked up, or at least it was when we were there and we had no way to access it. And I think you used to be able to get to it in the past, because I've seen other accounts of people actually walking among, among the gravestones, but we had no way to get in there and maybe it's because people there was too many people it gave me the feels, yeah, yeah, now it's very unkempt.
speaker 3:I mean there's broken headstones everywhere which is probably why they don't let people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it's all grown up and um. Some of the grave sites are like fenced in like with like the metal, and I think that was originally because of animals. They didn't want them being dug up. Yeah, and they think there's about 400 graves 400.
Speaker 1:I didn't think it was 400 there well, but we and they said the but there's fewer than like 40 headstones yeah and some of them, the headstones are laying down and we couldn't even see them from where, because we were only allowed to go to the gate and I tried to, like, I actually climbed up on the top of the jeep to try to get a picture, yeah, um, and tried to zoom in as much as I could. But, like I said, yeah, they're probably all buried down the hillside from where we could see.
speaker 3:That's weird yeah, when you got, if you guys ever go there and you look at it, even in the pictures that we're going to show, no way do you ever think there's going to be 400 of them there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they think that most of the people that died and were buried there died of gunshot wounds or mining accidents, diseases, stuff like that, and there was, over time, there was more than just the miners. Oh, yeah, because once they left, it was just people of the town, but there was a lot of violence and they think there are a lot of the ladies of the night that got killed or buried there as well, and this is kind of how Jerome got the reputation as the wickedest town in the West.
Speaker 1:But we've heard that multiple times about, like Tombstone, even Tucson. They've all got that there was a lot of violence.
speaker 3:There's a reason why my home state has, you know, was called the wild wild west, you know, because it was, yeah, it was the wild west and people didn't exactly, first of all, nobody really listened to law that well out there. It was truly a frontiersman mentality. So, yeah, I mean, if you had something they wanted, they were going to take it, whether it meant your life or not.
Speaker 1:Now a lot of the reports, at least when you could walk among them. You know they report hearing disembodied voices which I could see. And they hear footsteps like walking up behind them and see dark figures, probably at night.
speaker 3:I would think they see shadow figures you know, when it comes to the disembodied voices, and when you look at the pictures and you think about where it is. Sometimes I attribute that maybe to wind. You know, that's kind of rustling through some of that stuff.
Speaker 1:You know, um, I would have loved and I don't know it could carry. But I mean, the town is so far from there I don't know if a voice could carry that far.
speaker 3:But there are homes close to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
speaker 3:So I mean it could. And what's interesting is that it's kind of one of those where you would get that kind of airflow in that valley through the mountain range and if it's high wind at all it's going to run through all that stuff. And my guess is some of that stuff is kind of recorded and thought of as being disembodied voices. Now, I'm not saying it's not haunted, because, let me tell you something, we drove up to it. It gave me the big time feels, but I really wish we would have had a chance to actually do something there.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, and we need to specify too is you're standing there and off, to your left, up on the hillside is where the town of jerome or the main downtown is okay, and then to your right down the hill, I mean very far down the hill, is the, the copper mining company, so you can see it right there, and so it's basically nestled between the two, and so I don't know, maybe there's kind of like I mean it could be, yeah, like a sound thing, that kind of yeah yeah but we tried to get and, like I said before, like I dangled over the water way to get this picture and to get this picture of the mining company, I literally climbed on the roof of the jeep yes, to get up behind it, because if you try to take it from that place, in the cemetery there's trees, there's everything else blocking the majority of it and I couldn't get a good perspective.
Speaker 1:Now we did get a good um shot of it yeah um, so that's, that's the united very copper company. And there's also you can kind of see it in the distance from the picture that we put up from um the hotel. Yep, um, when you're looking down, you can kind of see it in the distance from the picture that we put up from the hotel Yep. When you're looking down you can see it off in the distance and it was a huge operation.
speaker 3:It's enormous. And if you look at it, especially the picture we're going to put up, at the time we took it there was a fire going on, so that kind of sucked too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there was a lot of smoke in our photos because they were really worried because it was getting super windy and all that stuff. But you can see how it kind of just nestles there.
speaker 3:Yeah, it added a little bit to the the spookiness yeah. It didn't detract from our fun there, it just was, except when in the morning you're like, yeah, it was a little choky.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, for sure, yeah, but that was our time spent in jerome. Like we said, we were there for a night and part of a day and we were off to sedona the next day, but definitely a very cool place. Would love to go back and actually stay in one of the rooms of probably stay in both hotels. That would be really cool and there are more places that we did not discuss. I mean, according to the local um residents and the people that we talked to, the whole town's haunted I mean every house.
speaker 3:There's a museum there. I mean there's, there's a ton of places they say that are haunted yeah, I mean the whole town and, but they're sitting on copper and water yeah, that, that to me, and guys go look
speaker 3:at yourself, yeah I mean it's when we say it's, it's gorgeous, it's gorgeous, but it's, in my opinion, it is super charged for paranormal activity. Yes, um, there's a reason why this is all happening there. Um, check it out, I mean it's cool, but I will say this if you're, if you're, scared of heights, they might be challenging. Um, there's definitely some drop-offs when you're driving up there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, it's very safe yeah, it's just yeah if you're looking out, if if you got height problems, don't look out yeah, don't look out it's gonna be hard to do not look out, but I mean it's, it's beautiful, I mean it's it's just a really cool town. And go experience the local restaurants, talk to the local people, go visit the galleries and the shops. Yeah, because I mean you get a feel for the town yep.
speaker 3:and if you stay at the hotel and you hear somebody go all work, no play makes jack a dull boy I wouldn't hang around. On that note, guys.
Speaker 1:I apologize.
speaker 3:Oh, you know you like it. Hey, listen, we had a good time. Thank you for stopping by. Any questions, comments or anything, please leave them. Other than that, guys, we'll see you next week.
Speaker 1:See you next week.
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