Preston Dennett's UFO Journey From Witness to Researcher (Remastered)

Prepare to be captivated as Preston Dennett, a leading authority in ufology, shares his remarkable transition from skeptic to expert after a significant UFO sighting over Alaska in 1986 involving a Japanese airliner. This event propelled Preston into the world of UFO investigations, leading him to unearth intriguing encounters among his own circle and join the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) as a field investigator. We delve into Preston's extensive research and experiences, setting the stage for a thought-provoking discussion on UFOs, humanoids, and the uncharted mysteries they present.

We take a fascinating journey through the astonishing variety of extraterrestrial encounters reported across the globe. From human-like figures to intriguing entities like praying mantis beings and hairy dwarves, these stories challenge the conventional narratives of alien contact. With cases spanning continents and cultures, Preston sheds light on the overlooked spiritual dimensions of these experiences. Notably, we explore Richard's hypnotically recalled encounter that linked to his insomnia and consider the profound implications such encounters have on our understanding of humanity and our cosmic connection.

Finally, the episode delves into the transformative potential of telepathic communication with extraterrestrials and the messages of love and caution they impart. Highlighting accounts like Sandra's and Susan's, we examine dire warnings about humanity's future and the benevolent intentions of these otherworldly beings. We also discuss the intriguing phenomenon of individuals learning to pilot alien crafts and the implications for healing and understanding our place in the universe. As UFO discussions gain traction in mainstream media, this episode invites listeners to challenge perceptions and embrace the evolving discourse surrounding extraterrestrial phenomena.

Chapters

• 0:01 Preston Dennett Discusses UFO Abductions
• 15:33 Variety of UFO Encounters and Implants
• 31:36 ET Warnings and Communication
• 34:55 Messages of Love and Warnings
• 49:40 Exploring UFO Encounters and Disclosure

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

Hey everybody. So we recently released a really cool episode with a fiction writer about UFO abduction. So we decided it'd probably be a good idea to bring in a re-release of Preston Dennett, who happens to be what we believe the greatest, I guess UFO expert, and when it comes to this particular topic, I mean honestly, they go hand in hand. So we decided to go ahead and re-release this. Hope you like it. We loved it. We're huge fans of Preston and we think you guys will be too.

Speaker 2: 0:34

The idea that humanity is alone in the universe is inconceivable, and the good news is we aren't. As these cases show, we ourselves are humanoids of high strangeness, and we have got no kidding an amazing show lined up.

Speaker 1: 1:23

Today we have what I consider to be one of the greatest subject matter experts on UFO and ufology Absolutely, and this man has been seen in a lot of places, not just on TV, but also he's a very accomplished author and we took time to read his book and we're very glad to have him. So I'm just kind of getting started. The person and of course, if you've seen this thumbnail, you already know who it is because you can click on it. But of course we're talking about Preston Dennett and Preston Dennett he's got such a prolific biography so I'm going to go ahead and read it to you because it's on his website and I don't want to miss anything because it is chock full. I mean, this guy is amazing, no-transcript. Several of his books have been Amazon UFO bestsellers.

Speaker 1: 2:42

His articles have appeared in numerous magazines, including Fate, atlantis, rising, mufon, ufo Journal, nexus, paranormal Magazine, ufo Magazine, phenomenon Magazine, mysteries Magazine, ufologist and others. Writing has been translated into several languages, including german, french, portuguese, russian and islamic. He has appeared on numerous radio and television programs, including midnight in the desert with art bell, coast to coast, and also history channels, deep sea UFOs and UFO hunters and ancient aliens. His research has been presented in the LA Times and in the LA News, the Dallas Morning News and other newspapers. He has taught classes on various paranormal subjects and lectures across the United States, and I can't think of any other way to bring him on, and I think there is no other way to bring him on. So, without further ado, let's go ahead and let's talk to Preston. Hey, everyone, we are here with Preston Dennett. Preston, how are you?

Speaker 1: 3:59

I'm doing well, yeah, I'm doing pretty good. How are you? That's great, we're great. Thank you so much for taking time out of your schedule. We know you're very busy, so we appreciate you lending some time to sit with us and talk about some high strangeness and a lot of great things.

Speaker 2: 4:14

Hey, it's my pleasure.

Speaker 1: 4:16

So just kind of getting started, you have such a vast background I know it's not with just ufology, I know that you have a vast background. I know it's not with just ufology, I know that you have a vast background with pretty much everything paranormal. But I think for the means of this particular show we're really just going to focus a little bit on the ufology and kind of UFOs and the humanoids, especially when we get to the book, because that's kind of what we're focusing on. But with that, could you kind of give us a little brief first intro and kind of how you became interested in ufology and UFOs?

Speaker 2: 4:51

Yeah, sure, I mean, it's certainly not something I was looking for. I'd heard of UFOs but I had no real interest in them because I didn't believe in them. I was skeptical, I just did not think they were real. I felt like the stars were too far away and people who saw UFOs were lying, hoaxing, hallucinating, misperceiving, which is kind of the government's party line, yeah. And covering this up, yeah. And I bought it, a hook line and sinker Until 1986. And I was actually, let's see, 21 years old, so pretty young, and heard a report on the news about a sighting over Alaska. It's a super famous sighting but, in a nutshell, this Japanese commercial airliner and the whole crew had a UFO which paced their aircraft for over a half hour, nearly an hour actually, and it was on radar and it was a great case.

Speaker 2: 5:52

The news report was very brief, kind of joking almost in a skeptical way. But it interested me because I remember my brother, mark, had said he'd seen a UFO some years earlier. So that broke through my skepticism. Enough to ask my brother what he thought he saw. Yeah, Right. It turned out, he had an amazing sighting of a metallic disc with colored lights on it. Very low. He chased it down the street with his two friends.

Speaker 3: 6:23

Oh so it was more than just him.

Speaker 2: 6:26

Yeah, yeah, that's. Chased it down the street with his two friends. Oh, so it's more than just him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's. I started to get a real shock because a lot of people I knew had seen ufos. Almost none of them were alone. They all had witnesses with them. So, yeah, it was not good news as far as I was concerned, right, yeah it was upsetting. I it really was Kind of shakes up your perception of things, your whole belief system.

Speaker 2: 6:48

Exactly. Not only shook it up, it smashed it to smithereens. It was gone by the time. I had talked to my family, friends and coworkers. There was a good 10 or 20 of them who had really dramatic encounters.

Speaker 3: 7:03

So yeah, that's how.

Speaker 2: 7:03

I got involved. I joined MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network, became a field investigator of them who had had really dramatic encounters. So, yeah, that's how I got involved. I joined mufon yes, mutual ufo network, became a field investigator and just kind of snowballed from there sure, no, that's.

Speaker 1: 7:14

You know. It's funny because I find that there's such such a lot of parallels with people who kind of get into this where, especially for us and I know I speak for myself and I know nicole probably feel the same way that I kind of believe that same thing. You know, it's not existent. We're just doing our day-to-day routine and inevitably something happens. That kind of takes you into that whole new perspective of things and I find that really timely. And I bring that up because obviously right now there seems to be such a to me anyway, and especially for someone who is not maybe as into it every day. We don't government, you know, releasing data. We've got people where it's getting a little bit more mainstream than it used to be, or at least at least a little bit more acceptable, where if you say, hey, I saw a ufo, somebody doesn't look at you sideways and go.

Speaker 2: 8:16

I think this guy's kind of crazy I've gotten a few of those looks I'm sure you'm sure, yeah, yeah, I mean, when I got into this my, you know, it kind of split the family a little bit. I have five brothers and sisters and there were the believers and the non-believers.

Speaker 4: 8:34

Yeah, they thought I had lost my mind. We have that as well.

Speaker 1: 8:36

Yeah, yeah I think we, we definitely fall in that camp because, uh, you know, I I'm originally from the West coast. Um, and you know, with as much of uh, especially when I lived in Arizona, we had a lot of uh, you know, a lot of open sky, could see a lot of things, and I think sometimes we would see things in the sky at night and just go, yeah, okay, we know it's there, but acknowledge and just keep going. You know, but, um, you know, and then the Travis Walton thing came out and that was really big for us when I was a kid, you know, hearing about the fire in the sky and the movie and everything but um, but that's when I first started kind of key into it. But, um, with that, uh, one of the things I wanted to talk to you especially, I'm actually from the West Coast, I was raised in.

Speaker 1: 9:24

Well, in my early years I was in Tucson, arizona. Then my formidable years I was in San Diego, california, and I find it odd, because I was watching something with you on it and you were talking about the USO incident and I think I believe Catalina Island, I believe, is what it is. Could you mind talking about that a little bit?

Speaker 2: 9:46

Sure, yeah, you know, when I started investigating in 1988 is when I buckled down because it took me a year or two to wrap my head around this. I mean, I immediately you know living very close to the coastline in Topanga Canyon, which is right outside of LA, Right in Topanga Canyon which is right outside of LA.

Speaker 2: 10:04

I started to get reports right away, right off the bat, of what we would call USOs unidentified submersible objects. I remember the first one was from a therapist actually Linda Young was her name driving along the Pacific Coast Highway and saw what she thought was a boat.

Speaker 2: 10:23

It was floating on the water, but it didn't look like a boat, it was just this enormous, bright white light. And she turned to the guy who was driving, said look, what is that? And as soon as he looked, this darn thing took off straight up and disappeared. So that was my first report. Then I got another report from a guy who's a doctor and he lived in Malibu, right on the beach and he saw a USO. I started getting a lot more of these reports of these objects coming into the water, coming out of the water, sometimes both. That's really rare, but there are cases. That's really rare, but there are cases, right. And started really looking into it. After getting so many and get this.

Speaker 2: 11:08

I cataloged 150 cases, wow, right along that stretch of coastline between Catalina Island and the mainland Wow.

Speaker 1: 11:21

That's so impressive. It's wild, that's so impressive and it kind of turns a key in your head that says, if you are in that belief system and you believe that if there are visitors or however you, whatever narrative you feel you believe it almost seems conceivable that there would be some sort of underwater, because that's the majority of our planet, and if you wanted to stay somewhat stealthy, that would be the way to do it.

Speaker 4: 12:01

But wasn't that when you did the Valentich episode in Australia, somebody saw something coming up out of the water on that one as well?

Speaker 2: 12:12

Wow, yeah, I think it goes on a lot more than people realize it just wasn't getting any attention until recently. Yeah, and that the go to guy for USOs. I don't know how that happened. Well, I mean maybe 150 cataloged events.

Speaker 1: 12:27

That's for sure, no kidding, that's awesome and if I remember this correctly, and if at least I have my facts right, that's sort of the tic-tac sighting. I was in the Navy for a while and not then, but it's been a while for a while and not then, but it's been a while but when I was in. You know, my understanding is especially where they saw this and how carrier air groups work. It's really surprising to me that that actually got out and that there is that tangible evidence because, having been in that world, that's information that doesn't get released without a lot of people signing off on it and um, if I remember correctly, now it's with the tic-tac situation.

Speaker 1: 13:13

Is that correct?

Speaker 2: 13:15

right, yeah, I agree. And really makes me wonder really how many reports there are that we don't hear about oh, for sure I yeah, I always ask people when I interviewed them, like, how did you report your sighting to the police? You know the air force to move on mutual ufo network or any organization almost never do they do. So you could 150 reports. I think you could times up, you know, let's be frugal and just say 10 that would be a hundred, but really it would be a more accurate times it by a hundred.

Speaker 1: 13:50

Yeah right, gosh, that's something else and it's it. It just. It's amazing to me that just that small little portion of it, um, and especially with all the information in your book that we're going to get to here but to know that just that little part of it even you yourself has cataloged 150 different uh reports. So it's like you're right if you take just that small little bit of it and expound it on what could actually be out there and that people have seen.

Speaker 4: 14:20

I mean, that's just in California a little bit of area, so the entire world you can only imagine what there is Sure.

Speaker 2: 14:29

Well, I appreciate you talking to the general public realizes.

Speaker 1: 14:32

Oh yeah, for sure. And you know, since starting this, this show, you know that's kind of what we do. We're, we're kind of middle of the road. We, you know, give, give information out and let people kind of decide what you know, what it is they want to, whatever they feel they want to believe.

Speaker 1: 14:46

But you're right, I think, if, if a lot of this got out more, it wouldn't be so taboo yeah taboo, that was a great way to say it, but kind of kind of leaning into the wind a little bit. We have this great book that we've we've both read, we're big fans of it. Could you tell us a little bit?

Speaker 2: 15:10

briefly about your new book, humanoids and High Strangeness. Yeah, I'm super excited about this one for a lot of reasons. Each chapter focuses on people who've had direct face-to-face contact with humanoids of some kind, so we're moving well beyond simple sightings here. A number of them do involve not only face-to-face contact but onboard experiences as well, and a wide variety of humanoids. I think the greys, as we call them, get a lot of attention, but there's a lot more many different types that people see.

Speaker 2: 15:42

So yeah, grays, for sure, I mostly get grays 50%, 60%, but also human-looking very much like us, or praying mantis, ets. Or there's a case involving the little blue beings, or hairy dwarves, tall whites, many different kinds, so I'm excited about that.

Speaker 2: 16:04

Also I think it's really interesting with this book because I've got to cover cases not only across the United States, but there's some in Canada, two in South America, one let's see Argentina, one in Brazil, there's a case from England, france, germany. So you're getting a cross-cultural perspective, which is important because this is a worldwide phenomenon. A lot of people are seeing this, and another theme that I really wanted to dig into was the high strangeness, because I think there's a misconception that when people have contact, it's all about being taken on board and physically examined by greys and being put back. Really, it's much more than that. There's a very pronounced and prominent psychic and spiritual and paranormal aspect to UFO encounters that I know actually gets edited out of some people's accounts because I've talked to them. Their story is written up in another book and we're like well, they didn't put this part in which was how they started having out-of-body experiences or precognitive dreams, or I mean, you name it, the entire range of paranormal events.

Speaker 4: 17:20

Yeah, yeah, I got to be honest reading this. It was so interesting and I will say almost every single story. The hair on my arms raised up a little bit in the beginning just because you haven't heard to this extent and how similar they were between certain people.

Speaker 4: 17:46

The same type of experience in the beginning, afterwards, all those types of things really kind of gave me a different perspective. Just like you said, the typical is, oh, they've been taken, cut open and then put back, but that is definitely not the case in this book of what you read it is very interesting.

Speaker 2: 18:10

Thank you. Yeah, it's awesome to see the amazing commonalities and corroborations from people who don't even know each other and live in different parts of the country and had completely. How could they have these same exact details if this wasn't absolutely true?

Speaker 1: 18:27

And in some cases they don't even speak the same language. So how could they collaborate? Right, yeah, we, you know, I find it interesting because we mentioned all the different types of beings humanoids that are kind of represented, of beings humanoids that are kind of represented. And you know, especially with myself, I always sort of thought of, you know, sort of the classic gray type thing with you know, I always remember Whitley Stryber's book where, you know, right in the front of it you've got this, you know, classic gray humanoid alien, and in my mind that's always been the if you have to have the, you know the gold star of what a, a species would look like if, if they were to visit us.

Speaker 1: 19:12

And it really took a long time once. You know, especially reading books like yours and and and talking to people who are subject matter experts, where you're like, why wouldn't it just be one type of species? Obviously there's got to be more than one. You know it would be almost ridiculous to think that only if there was that capability, that only one type of entity or one type of visitor would be just this one particular type species.

Speaker 2: 19:42

Yeah, I totally agree. It's weird because, you know, I'd heard about ETs prior to becoming involved in this field. I kept hearing reports of humanoids. I'm like, well, this sounds kind of Star Trek-y to me, pure assumption based on really nothing but my own prior beliefs about you know with no actual knowledge base to it.

Speaker 2: 20:10

I was looking for ets that would have tentacles and I mean like the blob or something, or something completely different for sure. That's just not the case. They're, and this is amazing to me that they are pretty much universally all humanoid, bipedal beings with arms and legs, head and so forth, and with some looking just like us. This this has got some serious implications, I think, about who these ets are and their relationship to us and, frankly, where we come from if they look just like us. What does that say about human evolution?

Speaker 1: 20:47

right right it certainly doesn't make it a black and white case no, no in my opinion anyway, yeah and I, I was richard's story um.

Speaker 4: 21:00

You don't have to go into detail because I want people to read your book and actually, you know, I just kind of wanted to touch on something about his implant. He had an implant in the nose and he went to the doctor. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Speaker 2: 21:17

Yeah, Well, his daughter actually.

Speaker 1: 21:20

That's right, the daughter yeah.

Speaker 2: 21:22

It's such an amazing case. This guy is such a nice guy and really wanted to do his part to let people know his experience, because he knows there's a lot of other people out there going through this and it is kind of a long story so I'll try to shorten it. Yeah Right, but at age seven he suddenly developed insomnia for no reason. He could think of a fear of intruders and just unable to sleep at night and grew up into an adult.

Speaker 2: 21:52

He was like 20, 22 years old and his mom, inis, decided she's going to quit smoking. She's going to go to a hypnotherapist and quit smoking. She said, richard, how about you come with me and we'll have the hypnotist work on your insomnia? So long story short, they did and she recalled being taken on board, a craft and seeing her son. Now he's in the waiting room. He doesn't know this. He goes to the hypnotherapist and recalls being taken on board and being physically examined by greys and he said it was quite scary, though he doesn't think that they were mean or evil or anything, it was just a little frightening for a seven-year-old boy.

Speaker 2: 22:36

But, he does remember seeing his mom. So they both corroborated each other's story and afterwards she says you know, richard, I had an experience at age seven, so that was when he had his experience. So Richard grows up, gets married, has kids, has a seven-year-old daughter and he's watching TV one day and turns out to be a show on UFOs and an image of a gray ET comes on the screen and his little daughter, seven years old, drops her Barbies, her Barbie dolls, and runs up to him and starts tugging on his arms, saying Daddy, daddy, daddy. And he's like, stop, I'm watching TV. She's like no, no, no, it's important. And finally he turns to her and says what is it? And she points to the TV, said that's what's coming into my room at night and poking my nose. So she was having unexplained nosebleeds at this time this is a sign of contact, sometimes. Right.

Speaker 2: 23:39

And they went to the dentist because they had a scheduled appointment. They were going to take her to the doctor after they went to the dentist. Because they had a scheduled appointment. They were going to take her to the doctor after they went to the dentist, but they already had made this appointment. So they went to the dentist and the dentist takes the x-rays and angrily comes up to Richard and says you're supposed to tell me if your daughter's had surgery or any kind of implant. And Richard says what are you talking about? She's never had surgery, she doesn't have an implant. And the dentist says what are you talking about? She's never had surgery, she doesn't have an implant. And the dentist says well, yes, she does. Here's the x-ray. What's that? And it showed this tiny little rod embedded in her upper sinus, and not in a way that she could have stuck something up there. This was embedded in the tissues.

Speaker 3: 24:20

Right.

Speaker 2: 24:22

And Richard's like well, I don't know what that is. And he asked the dentist and the dentist says I don't know, let's leave it alone. And Richard ended up going to another doctor who refused to make much comment on it or really take any action whatsoever, least take him seriously or take a look at it. And finally he found a doctor who took a look at the x-ray and said okay, come to my office. He closed the door and opened his desk and pulled out this file and handed it over, slid it across the desk to Richard and said if you tell anyone I showed you this, I'm going to deny it.

Speaker 2: 25:11

And this was a government document which said to the doctor if you find any implant, any artificial object in somebody, you are not to remove it, you are to leave it alone. Removing it, you could face severe fines, you could lose your license, which is, in essence, what this document said. And he told the doctor, told Richard, doctors all over the across the United States receive this document. This is why you were getting the runaround with the other doctors, because they know about this.

Speaker 1: 25:51

That is just amazing, yeah like yeah, can you?

Speaker 4: 25:55

imagine I just I was just like wow, wow, I mean I'm not too surprised about that, but yeah, it's just like this mass cover-up. How has this lasted for so long that we've never heard this before?

Speaker 1: 26:10

yeah, I mean, they're just terrified yeah, and have an entire medical community have to do the exact same thing. That's so. You know this is kind of a little off topic, but um, I was always a big fan of like philip k dick novels and stuff where you get into this whole dystopian society and everything and, uh, you know, you always say to yourself, oh, that probably couldn't happen, people wouldn't do that.

Speaker 1: 26:33

And then that kind of cooperation tells you that maybe there is some truth to that, that there would be this dystopian cover-up that says, no, we will not talk about that.

Speaker 2: 26:44

Yeah, that's what really got me fired up to do UFO research is when I found out there was a cover-up which is so easily provable I mean it's undeniable, and it just burns me up because this is our tax dollars.

Speaker 1: 27:00

They're calling us liars. That made me angry and I would imagine it would make people. I'm sorry let me cut you off, but yeah, I definitely agree that would make a lot of people. It did make me angry, just reading it from the book.

Speaker 2: 27:12

Yeah, I talked to another guy who had an implant and had the x-rays or looked at them and then went to the doctor and requested them and got the x-rays and it had been airbrushed out or altered in some way. So this implant didn't show there anymore.

Speaker 4: 27:26

Wow.

Speaker 2: 27:34

So they're removing them from the x-rays. That is so illegal on so many levels. It's not right, it's just unethical. And doctors you know, take a vow a hippocratic oath right, right but.

Speaker 4: 27:40

I guess, if you look from their perspective. They've went to school all these years, you know to become a doctor, and then you know it's a risk of losing everything if they say anything Right. I mean, I know.

Speaker 1: 27:54

That's a HIPAA violation.

Speaker 3: 27:55

Morally that's illegal.

Speaker 1: 27:56

Yes.

Speaker 4: 27:57

It is Wow. But if the government comes in and tells you you can't do something, most people listen. Unfortunately, that's crazy.

Speaker 3: 28:05

Most people listen.

Speaker 4: 28:06

unfortunately, that's crazy. The other thing I noticed yeah, between all these stories, the precognitive dreams after the abductions a lot of these people have psychic abilities, things like that. That was a commonality between the majority of these stories I noticed in your book. That just seems crazy to me.

Speaker 1: 28:32

Right.

Speaker 4: 28:32

Like what would that be?

Speaker 2: 28:40

Like why are they getting these? Just from being taken on board a craft. Yeah, isn't that amazing. I felt the same way. I'm like, wow, this is a commonality, this is more the rule than the exception. So I really made a point. You know, having learned this, because it took some time to like realize this is something a lot of people are reporting, I didn't know to ask these questions Now.

Speaker 2: 29:00

I do it's funny to hear these people say well, actually, yeah, I do have dreams that come true all the time. It freaks me out, and it didn't start until I started having contact. It's not always the case. Some people are psychic before, but definitely after, so I think there's something going on here. And in fact I've talked to enough contactees who were told by the ETs. I said this is our gift to you. I've heard that same phrase at least three times.

Speaker 4: 29:33

Really.

Speaker 2: 29:33

People were told that by the ETs. This is our gift to you for having worked with us. So they are absolutely. I think there's something about the experience itself which ignites your psychic abilities because, for a number of reasons, when you're taken on board, they are communicating telepathically right. Ets themselves are very psychic.

Speaker 2: 29:58

I mean walking through walls and levitating and doing telepathy and definitely can perceive future events because they give warnings and stuff all the time. So I think this is one of their goals with people is to wake us up to our own supernatural abilities.

Speaker 2: 30:18

I don't like to call them supernatural, because I think they're actually natural I do too right, you've just been so closed off for so long yeah, yeah we do have the ability to do astral projection and past life recall and healing and remote viewing and mediumship and precognition is a big one. Richard himself had many examples where he got really well known in his family. He'd write them down in envelopes and seal them so he could prove it to people he saved his daughter from being killed.

Speaker 2: 30:50

Basically he said you know what? I saw you working on a car, the jack falling, and you being crushed. She's like, well, actually I'm supposed to work on the car tomorrow. She says don't go under that car. And she did. She went under it and then remembered and quickly got out and told everyone get out from under the car, get out. And no sooner had they all got out from under this car when it collapsed. She called him crying.

Speaker 4: 31:15

Yeah, that would make me cry, for sure.

Speaker 2: 31:19

Can you imagine he says it really bothers him. He's like I don't know why this is happening.

Speaker 1: 31:23

I think it's a good thing.

Speaker 2: 31:25

Yeah, it's difficult because a lot of the times people are seeing tragedies or negative events.

Speaker 4: 31:32

Right right.

Speaker 2: 31:33

Which I think it's good to have a warning. It is I think it was his son. He asked his son do you drive with a water bottle between your legs? Because he had seen this. He had seen the water bottle slipping down and getting under the brake and causing an accident. And his son said well, yeah, I do. He said don't do that. Don't do that. It's like why. What are you talking about? He says just don't do it.

Speaker 2: 31:58

Well, he did it, and of course the bottle slid right under the brake pedal and he rear-ended somebody. So I'm sorry, dad, I should have listened to you yeah, which are most.

Speaker 4: 32:08

Most kids say their parents after that they've been told not to do something.

Speaker 1: 32:13

I find that so interesting because and you touched on a little bit that you know, during the experience, um, when, when, when they're taking a board, or even just even in some of the cases in the book where they're sort of checking back up on some of these people, um, that gift almost seems like, hey, we're giving this to you because that's the way we communicate, so it's it's almost like a way of almost like a transceiver or some kind of radio to be able to still not just talk to them but monitor them and and look out for them. You know, um, especially with some of the stories in there and um, you know, Birch being one of them um, them, um, where you know you kind of have that feeling like it's it's not just a gift, it's almost like a tool, a way for it's a radio, almost.

Speaker 2: 32:56

To me, walkie talkie yeah yeah, I agree, and just imagine if all of us were at that level where we could communicate telepathically and read each other's minds and know if someone's lying or, you know, consumed with greed and corruption. It could change the world. It, sure would it would absolutely make a huge difference. It's time that we all come together and just start, you know, living with truth and compassion and love for each other.

Speaker 4: 33:27

I agree.

Speaker 2: 33:27

I think it's what they're trying so hard to do. Uh, we're spiritually bereft in a lot of ways. That's causing all kinds of problems, and they're trying to wake people up.

Speaker 4: 33:42

And speaking on that, I'm going to go on to the next topic because you know this is not the first time I've kind of heard about warnings, and you mentioned it a little bit earlier about warnings. If you want to talk a little bit about the mantis beings and showing us humans images, I'm just going to say images and let you fill in the rest.

Speaker 2: 34:03

Yeah, this is something I do hear a lot from really all different types of ETs, but I love that particular case loving a lady named Sandra who was just a little girl Gosh, let me see, I think she was 12 years old. I've got my notes right here because I know she was pretty young oh, no, eight.

Speaker 2: 34:24

She was eight years old when she had this experience in Albuquerque, new mexico, and this is some time ago, 1947, and she had a friend who lived about a mile away on a reservation and so she would periodically ride her bicycle to her friend's house and she asked her mom one early one well, not too early, but in the morning if she could go over and visit her friend her mom's house. And she asked her mom one early well, not too early, but in the morning if she could go over and visit her friend Her mom's like. Sure, of course. So Sandra got on her bike and was going down this road, which is not a busy road, and was about halfway there when this shadow came over the road and she looks up and sees this craft landing, plunk right on the road in front of her. Covers the road from one side to the other. So not a huge craft, but definitely not small either you're not going to miss it no, you can't get by it right.

Speaker 2: 35:22

And she stops on her bike and is looking at this thing and a door opens and there's a figure in there and she's like, oh my, that looks like a six foot tall bug. And sets down her bike because this figure is beckoning towards her and as she gets close, sees it Well, this is kind of like a praying mantis At age eight.

Speaker 2: 35:45

I'm not sure if she knew in hindsight and I was like yeah that looked like a praying man, mantis, right, but it was very friendly and kind of beckoned her to come on board, and which she did, because she's like, wow, this is interesting. She had no fear. And once on board, this being says you can call me mother, which I thought was really interesting. That is interesting, yeah. And she saw these little, short little beings which she first thought were kids because they were kind of skipping around and chirp, chirping and chirping and being very playful, and she's looking at them. She's like, oh, these aren't kids. They're bald, they have dark eyes, gray skin, large heads, they're grays.

Speaker 2: 36:31

Back then there was no term for that, but later again, in hindsight, she's like, oh, that's what they were, because eventually this did get into the media and she says, she, they led her on to the craft, which is rounded, much larger on the inside than on the outside, which is a neat detail I hear from people very clean, very sparse, not a whole lot in there. They took her to one of the windows and she was amazed to see that it was nothing but stars out there. She had just been on the ground and she was amazed to see that it was nothing but stars out there. She had just been on the ground and she didn't feel any movement. She's like, wow, we're already in outer space. This is crazy.

Speaker 2: 37:10

And they took her to the center of the room where there was this little kind of like a TV. She didn't have a TV at that time, but later she was like that's what it looked like and it was projecting this hologram in full living color not super large, a couple of feet by a couple of feet of full color images and they were moving and she's looking at them and focusing on them and she sees that these were scenes of war Tanks on the streets and soldiers fighting and bombs exploding and this sort of thing. And they told her, basically, that this is going to happen, that humanity is on the wrong path and that you need to do your part to tell people that this is not right. And she's thinking to herself well, I'm eight years old, what do you want me to do?

Speaker 2: 38:07

I'm just a kid.

Speaker 1: 38:09

I haven't got so much leverage.

Speaker 2: 38:13

And she did not tell her parents. After she got returned. They were searching for her, by the way, going up and down that road looking for her, and she was not there. And apparently they had taken her bike too, because the bike wasn't there either. But after going down that road a fourth time, they found her lying next to her bike. She was in a daze, so she was physically taken. And I asked her you know what did you tell your parents? She said no, no, are you kidding? They're not going to believe me. She did try telling.

Speaker 2: 38:45

she did tell her grandmother, because her grandmother said oh yeah, I've seen beings when I was a little girl, your age, this is generational. But yeah, they gave her warnings. She tried telling her school friends but they just kind of laughed at her. So she ended up keeping pretty quiet about it for a long, long time. But not the only case like that in the book. There's another lady, susan, who had the same sort of thing where she was given warnings about our warlike ways. Showed same, really almost exactly the same, yeah. So it's astonishing to me that they're doing this.

Speaker 4: 39:29

I'm glad you brought up Susan, because I copied down the quote from her in the book and I'd like to read it because I think it was so profound. I think so. Basically, she says the images were exactly the same thing that I remember seeing in those recurring dreams as a child the military tanks in the street, bombs and destruction around us, dark skies and starvation. If we don't change our ways and you can't make a difference, this will happen. We would have wars in our streets and chaos. Every one of you have got to make a change because if you don't, this is what's going to happen. It stressed my responsibility as a human being to do my best and pass on the word to others. It showed me the urgency to stop the warlock ways on this planet or we would perish. It showed me that love, and nothing but love, will change this world, and I just thought that was just an amazing quote from her, and once again speaking about love and trying to come together and change things.

Speaker 4: 40:30

They're attempting, they're trying to help us, help us help ourselves? I guess yeah.

Speaker 2: 40:39

Yeah, it's a beautiful statement, and when? I hear it quite often and it really concerns me when I hear these fear-based accounts of people saying, ah, this was a terrible thing, and some of this is flat out lies and disinformation.

Speaker 1: 40:54

Sure.

Speaker 2: 40:54

Some people are truly terrified. I get it. It's not always easy.

Speaker 4: 40:59

No no.

Speaker 2: 40:59

But when I keep hearing this, it's like well, clearly they're concerned, right, they're concerned about our well-being, so this, I think, speaks towards their benevolence. There's so many cases like this.

Speaker 1: 41:15

I know so many.

Speaker 2: 41:16

If you get a message, it's going to be along those lines. Be along those lines. You know, warnings against nuclear proliferation or warlike ways, the destruction of the environment um psychos development.

Speaker 4: 41:27

You know spiritual morals right, so and I just want to mention it really speaks to things hard yeah, and I, yeah, I just want to mention it really quick, um, because of time, but um, we did an episode on the ufo in zimbabwe, the aerial school and all the kids I'm sure you're familiar with it and that was my first account.

Speaker 4: 41:47

I, when I came across that, I was just like it, just I had no words. It really impacted me and I I bring it up all the time whenever we do an episode on ufos, because appearing to children, um, and all this telepathic and basically showing them you know how the environment, how we're, you know destroying the earth, basically, and like giving them warnings once again, like we don't stop this, your entire planet's going to be burning. You know you're going to have nothing left. You need to take care of the planet. And that really impacted me. It's just they're just warning us over and over. And then when I read your book, I was like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 4: 42:31

They're warning us to stop with the fighting, stop with this and stuff. It's like they're just trying to help us. It's just I don't know. It's shocking to me because you don't really hear about it that much.

Speaker 2: 42:44

Yeah, just I don't know it's shocking to me because you don't really hear about it that much. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. In fact, I know that case well. It made me cry. It really did.

Speaker 4: 42:50

Yeah it made me cry too the the one, the one about the yeah but the one kid saying something about. They showed him pictures of, like, the trees all burning um and the planet burning it. It real, really did. It brought tears to my eyes.

Speaker 1: 43:06

It was really, really sad it hits really hard because you know if, if, obviously and I would understand that there's got to be, if there's several different species, I'm sure there's got to be bad actors, so to speak.

Speaker 1: 43:22

You know out there that may want to cause us harm, but at this particular point nobody has. And the only thing that we've seen up to this point is all these cases where they're, they're truly trying to help us out. Um, especially in the case of, you know, like you'd mentioned, with the two in your book and with the aerial school, um, you know, if in fact we're to believe, you know the humanoid existence and you know if that's what that's the feeling that everybody has when they, when they look at this. You know they're almost like a reflection of us in a way too. I know there's a lot of belief that that we come from, or you know at least have some kind of of lineage, so to speak. But it almost seems like wouldn't that be something that a caring group or caring individual would want to do? Is to help out someone that they see clearly not on the right path.

Speaker 2: 44:14

Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head. I think we do share a common heritage with them. That's certainly the message contactees get. I've talked to so many people who've had this experience and, while it can be scary, I've got no cases of what I would call sadistic behavior or intentionally hurting or even trying to scare somebody. That's us putting our own cultural mores and behavior onto them, Transference kind of. We're the ones who are hurting each other. It's the people on Earth I'm more concerned about having contact with than the ETs.

Speaker 4: 44:51

Agreed.

Speaker 2: 44:53

The schoolyard cases are so amazing Because when I heard about the Rua Zimbabwe case, I instantly thought of well, there's that case in Australia, the Westall High School. Yeah, wait, there's that one in Opelika, florida, the Crestview Elementary School, broadhaven Elementary School in Wales, the Hillsdale College incident. That's still, you know young people.

Speaker 4: 45:17

And.

Speaker 2: 45:17

I started digging deeper and I found a hundred cases of UFOs hovering over schools or actually landing next to them. Humanoids are coming out in one third of the cases. These are very long lasting low level daylight sightings. Really a strong introduction to the phenomena, strong introduction to the phenomena and I think a very effective method of announcing their presence and really sort of cementing the idea that we are not alone into popular culture. It's just boy, those schoolyard kids are so poignant, really touching, yeah.

Speaker 4: 45:57

So I, I saw that you had a book on that, because I looked over, because you've got what like 30 books that you've written so and I was kind of grazing over them like oh, that's the next one I'm reading because, the Zimbabwe case like really got me amped and so I really want to check that out next and read about those, because I mean, if you're going to appear to anyone, adults kind of have their already preconceived notions Right, and we don't like to bend very easily we're jaded at that point right, right.

Speaker 4: 46:26

So you appear to kids because kids are more open, they're more likely to listen, and it's going to impact them for the rest of their life and then maybe, when they become adults, they'll try to do the right thing.

Speaker 2: 46:36

Right, I mean that's that's what I think they're doing. A lot of them have never heard of a UFO. They don't have fear of someone who looks a little different. Right, it's a concept. It's so amazing to hear their testimony.

Speaker 4: 46:48

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 46:49

Yeah, yeah. They have no idea. To them there's no concept of anything other than what they know. So you know they don't have any preconceived notions, so that when something like that does happen, not only does it add, you know, some levity to it because you know it's a child, but it also they're not the greatest liars.

Speaker 4: 47:05

They're gonna tell you straight well, and they're, they're very curious, especially at that age.

Speaker 2: 47:10

For sure super excellent witnesses, really people like well, it's just a child. I'm like, well, wait a second. They don't have a belief system where they filter everything through. Yeah, I've interviewed a lot of adults who are like, well, I saw a demon. I'm like, well, no, just tell me what you saw.

Speaker 1: 47:26

Don't try to interpret it.

Speaker 2: 47:28

Just explain to me exactly what you saw.

Speaker 1: 47:31

That's what.

Speaker 2: 47:31

I love about children because they're sponges and they soak up knowledge and they're very good observers actually. In those school yard cases it's not just one kid, it's usually a whole crowd of them and the teachers.

Speaker 4: 47:48

In more than half the cases the teachers are going. Oh right, for sure. Yeah, well, I know the aerial school. It was like what?

Speaker 4: 47:54

60 kids or something like that it was quite a few and they, you know, and we had this on our episode I made sure they had them draw what they saw in the accounts, in kid pictures, I mean, the craft looked very similar in shape and size and what they saw and what they heard. And it's just kids can't, they can't come together, 60 of them and collaborate and be like okay, this is what we're going to say, this is what we're going to draw. Adults can't they. Adults, adults can't even do that.

Speaker 1: 48:25

I was going to say it's hard enough for us to do yeah.

Speaker 4: 48:28

But yeah, but kids, it's just it. Really I don't know.

Speaker 1: 48:33

Well, one of the things I had wanted to ask you was do you have a particular case that you were really fond of, or is it kind of with the cause I know you, you kind of mentioned that kind of strikes a chord with the uh, with the child visitations and the and the schoolyards, is that kind of where, where you've, you will find you more fascinated in as far as cases.

Speaker 2: 48:53

Oh, it's very hard to pick because I've interviewed a lot of people.

Speaker 2: 48:58

I mean schoolyard cases was it knocked my socks off. I'd been in this field for some 30 years already and I had no idea that was a thing. But I'd say, of all the cases I've ever investigated overall, there's a few that absolutely stand out, and one would be involving a nurse by the name of Dolly Safran, who I ended up writing a whole book on because her case is the most extensive I've ever had the privilege to research A former nurse and worked in the Department of Defense a really good witness a lifeguard, a zookeeper and this amazing woman who had, from age 14 onwards, fully conscious contact, no missing time.

Speaker 2: 49:40

She remembers she's not frightened and has worked very closely with greys mostly, but different types of ETs, and they've taught her so much. They taught her actually how to fly the craft and how they fly. She sits in the seat and flies them. I know how this might sound to a skeptic, but I've already received a number of cases like that.

Speaker 1: 50:04

Not as extensive Okay that's a book I'm writing.

Speaker 2: 50:07

Yeah, her case. I ended up writing a whole book on that called Symmetry. I can talk for hours and hours on just her case alone. It's, hands down, my favorite, I would say.

Speaker 1: 50:21

I could see why.

Speaker 4: 50:21

To be honest with you.

Speaker 1: 50:21

That's the first time I've ever heard of something like that my favorite, I would say. I could see why that is. To be honest with you, that's the first time I've ever heard of something like that.

Speaker 4: 50:26

Yeah, I haven't heard that one.

Speaker 1: 50:28

That is pretty profound. Oh, no, it's true, that is wild.

Speaker 2: 50:32

Grant Cameron he's a Canadian researcher wrote a book called Sky Pilots. He interviewed some 60 people who had that experience. I'm like yes.

Speaker 2: 50:40

Wow, I'm people who've had that experience. I'm like, yes, I'm so glad because I tell people this and they're like you're kidding. I'm like, no, no, no, this is a thing. They will give you a tour of the craft. They'll take you down to the engine room, they'll take you up to the observation deck, to the control room, and tell you how they fly. We'll sit you down in the seat. It's if you can just move past the fear of contact. Um, it changes completely, because no one likes being physically examined, and that does happen, right, who likes going to the doctor? And especially if the doctor is a little different?

Speaker 4: 51:12

well, yeah, but for sure.

Speaker 2: 51:17

But that's why they pull people on board is to heal them. I wrote a book on just healings some 300 cases.

Speaker 4: 51:25

Really, I'll have to read that one too.

Speaker 2: 51:27

If you look at the onboard experience and what actually happens and throwing away what you think happens, looking what actually happens you'll see it's a very benevolent experience overall.

Speaker 1: 51:39

I got to admit I'm a little gobsmacked Threw me for a loop I. I had no idea that that wasn't. That was an actual uh reported uh encounter, that is, I'll admit, I'm floored. Thank you for sharing that because uh yeah you know, learning something new every day, and it's just amazing because I had no idea that even I've never heard that before. Wow.

Speaker 2: 52:01

Ever First time I heard it. I'm like what, what are you telling me? Boom, Wow.

Speaker 1: 52:10

Well, here we are. You know we've talked about the book and, by the way, absolutely love it. I know we've talked about it and we hail it, but it was definitely one of those where and I know Nicole mentioned it, you know, there were times where I'm like I may want to read some of this during the daylight because it's just a little I've. I've had incidences that that I have personal, that I've experienced, and I'm and I'm sure Nicole has too and we we talk a little bit about it, but some of it hit a little close to home. So it was like but aside from the book, do you want to talk more about? You know kind of what you've got going on? And you know, is it just the book or I know that you've got some other ventures going on or the money to afford books and stuff.

Speaker 2: 53:01

I have a podcast I do, actually, with Dolly Safran, who's the one I just talked about, called the Light Gate, where we're interviewing some of the witnesses that I get to interview and bring their stories for, or other researchers and experiencers, always working on new projects, new books. So I'm keeping busy for sure.

Speaker 4: 53:24

This is an important subject Absolutely.

Speaker 3: 53:28

Oh, wow.

Speaker 4: 53:29

With the uptick of sightings and with the government coming out, I'm sure people maybe feel a little bit more comfortable in speaking with you now as opposed to before.

Speaker 2: 53:38

For sure. Do you feel they're even letting me use their names?

Speaker 4: 53:43

Yeah, that's amazing. And not pseudo names. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 53:47

And I know I touched on a little bit before and I just spoke about on my end but do you feel that fever pitch? Do you feel like we're almost at a tipping point, that there's something kind of about to happen, or do you feel it's always been there and we're just now being aware of it, or do you feel it's always?

Speaker 2: 54:02

been there and we're just now being aware of it. I think that events are escalating, in terms of public awareness for sure, and disclosure does seem to be ramping up. I honestly don't feel our governments or people behind the cover-up the secret government, if you will are ever going to be truthful or transparent. I think it's a waste of time to look to them for answers, because they've lied from day one and are still lying. They are saying well, we don't have enough evidence. Yes, you do.

Speaker 2: 54:33

Yeah, you know exactly what this is right, so I'm a little bit on the fence about that, but it's amazing to see this subject being, like you said, pushed into the mainstream, being discussed on 60 minutes and all these tv programs about it and people coming forth in large numbers and whistleblowers. It's a absolute new age.

Speaker 1: 54:59

I would say a complete turnaround from how it's been for a long, long time, for sure I mean we, I'm a I'm a fan of a lot yeah, absolutely, and and I'm a fan of a lot of stuff and kind of a little off script, but, um, you know, we listen to, I listen to smart list, you know, with all the jason bateman and all those guys, and I never thought I would be in the car driving to the store and literally on their episode talk about the ufo. Um, uh, hearings in the government. I'm like, wow, that that is the last place. I would have ever thought that something like that would actually be brought up and how mainstream it's it's become I just think, they finally had to say something, something because we all have cell phones.

Speaker 4: 55:46

We can all videotape? We can. We know, everybody knows there's something. So they had to come out and say something probably won't get any information, like you said, but yeah, they're real.

Speaker 2: 55:57

If they didn't say something, they were going to look like idiots Irrelevant, not believable. You have to.

Speaker 4: 56:04

Exactly Like yeah, they're real.

Speaker 1: 56:08

Listen, Preston, we know you're.

Speaker 4: 56:11

We're so glad you took the time to sit down with us.

Speaker 1: 56:13

Yeah, and we thank you so much. But yeah again, our audience. Please pick up humanoids and high strangeness. It's a fantastic book 20 true stories. You won't get bored because, trust me, there's no boredom in it. It is a page turner and it's 20 stories that literally leave you guessing for a lot of different things.

Speaker 4: 56:37

We heard each other reading it and I had read it first. I read it first and he was hearing me, and then, when he read it, I hear him go. Hmm, I'm like which part are you?

Speaker 1: 56:45

at. Yeah it was fun, but uh, but thanks again, and uh, we'll, uh, we'll, let you get back some time.

Speaker 2: 56:56

Yeah, thanks very much for having me on the show. It's an honor and a delight, so I truly appreciate it.

Speaker 4: 57:00

Thank you on the show, it's an honor and a delight, so I truly appreciate it. Thank you, thank you well that was a lot of information. It was a lot of information.

Speaker 1: 57:07

My mind is literally blown um that with driving the ufo, with with being allowed to drive, I mean wow, yeah, yeah that's I mean. I know I never heard anything like that and Mm-mm, I mean.

Speaker 4: 57:23

No, and we know a lot more than probably the listeners because we've read this one book of his Right Out of the 30. Yeah, you should really go check him out.

Speaker 1: 57:35

Yes, check him out, by all means.

Speaker 4: 57:38

It is something you probably never heard before. I mean, there's some things, a few that they touch on, but I had never no.

Speaker 1: 57:48

No, I mean you can tell we're pretty at a loss for words because of the interview you just witnessed and just the fact that there's so much more in this book.

Speaker 4: 57:58

We just touched on a few things.

Speaker 4: 58:00

Layers, layers, layers, yes, yes yes, so definitely check out his books. He also has a website you can go to and check out all all the goods on him. It's wwwprestindenitweeblycom. That's w-e-e-b-l-y, and so you can go check him out there. Yeah, and we kind of want to um in this show from another. This is a quote by preston in in his book and I just kind of want to go out with this. Sounds good to me, okay, so these are preston's words. For me, the real takeaway from all these accounts is that the ufo experience ultimately a human experience, a reminder that we live in a wonderfully mysterious universe with infinite possibilities. High strangeness is really only in our minds. If all these cases were acknowledged more openly and discussed with frank honesty, they would cease to be considered strange and would instead be viewed for what they really are part of the adventure of being a human on planet Earth.

Speaker 1: 59:13

And with that, ladies and gentlemen, we'll see you next week.

Speaker 3: 59:19

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