Is Scotland Named After an Egyptian Princess?

Could Scota, the enigmatic figure from ancient lore, truly be the forgotten sister of Tutankhamun? We're joined by the insightful Luke Eastwood, an author and practicing Druid hailing from Ireland, who has woven a tapestry of history and myth in his latest book, "Scotia, the Lost Sister of Tutankhamun." Luke takes us on a captivating exploration through the intersection of ancient Egyptian history and Irish mythology, challenging our understanding of the connections that may have spanned continents. His unique perspective and rich experiences living across Scotland, England, the U.S., and now Ireland, offer a fresh lens on the evolution of spiritual practices and the courage it takes to question long-held beliefs.

Journey with us as we traverse the landscapes of ancient Egypt and the rocky terrain of Ireland, piecing together the story of Scota. Could she have been an Egyptian princess buried in Ireland's Dingle Peninsula? We examine archaeological and DNA evidence that might connect Egyptian dynasties with regions in Europe, unraveling the myths and tales surrounding her possible migration and influence. With personal anecdotes adding vivid color, we discuss the geographical and cultural challenges she might have faced, her potential impact on the Gaelic people, and the tantalizing possibility that Scotland's very name is derived from her legacy.

Our conversation takes a bolder turn as we question conventional historical narratives, shining a light on the often-overlooked maritime prowess of ancient civilizations. With insights from experts like Lorraine Evans, we critique the narrow perspectives that dismiss significant evidence of ancient seafaring and exploration. The discussion underscores the importance of challenging orthodoxies to spark innovation and understanding, whether it be through historical revisions or exploring the underpinnings of scientific paradigms. We close with reflections on the transformative power of personal exploration and writing, inviting listeners to reimagine the past and its legacies in our modern world.

Chapters

• 0:00 Lost Sister of Tutankhamun
• 9:43 The Mystery of Scottia's Burial
• 17:39 Legacy of an Egyptian Queen
• 29:29 Scottia
• 35:41 Revising Historical Narratives With Evidence
• 40:43 Challenging Orthodoxy for Innovation
• 48:06 Uncovering Truth in Archaeological Discoveries
• 51:31 Egyptian Seafaring and Grave Analysis

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Gautier is the main person in this, but you know a subtitle lost sister of Tutankhamun. Obviously she is not particularly well known in that role and some people might even say, well, is that the case? Was she Tutankhamun's sister? And I would say yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 0:45

Well, everybody, welcome back.

Speaker 3: 0:46

Hey everybody.

Speaker 2: 0:47

I'm Logan and I'm Nicole, and this is Generation X Paranormal. So today we've got someone that we've spoken to before. We have Luke Eastwood on and we're really excited to talk to him. But what can you tell us about Luke?

Speaker 3: 0:59

So Luke was on for our Samhain episode. It was really great and you should go back and listen to it if you haven't. He had wrote a book about that, but he's back because he's authored a new book, yeah, yeah, so he is an author. He's a practicing Druid and he lives in Ireland, but we're here to speak to him today about his new book, scotia, the Lost Sister of Tutankhamun. Yeah, and I'm a big fan of that stuff, so I'm super excited to talk to him about this.

Speaker 2: 1:31

Yeah, it's going to be super interesting. Yeah, can't wait. Yeah, so let's talk to Luke, let's do it. Hey, luke, how you doing? Hi, thanks for having me back. Yeah, for sure. No, we're. We're excited to have you back. I'll be honest with you. It was probably really one of our better received videos in a while. Um, for the folks, who don't? Oh yeah, for folks who don't know, we we had luke on uh for salwin and you know kind of explaining the origins of salwin and and what we call halloween.

Speaker 1: 1:59

Um, but yeah, it wasn't very it was very well used opportunity to flash my book up and plug it one more time. There you go, there you go, perfect yeah, check it out it's awesome, there you go, that's what it's called.

Speaker 2: 2:13

Absolutely, yeah, we had a blast, um, and I think for our, our audience, they're always really intrigued because, you know, granted, we do have a pretty good worldwide audience, but you know, obviously the majority of it is a pretty good worldwide audience, but you know, obviously the majority of it is here in the States, so they're not always quite as in tune with. You know, some of the, some of the other views, some of the other traditions, especially like a Druid tradition, they're not typically that attuned to it, although they celebrate all of it and they don't realize it. But true, but but yeah, it was fantastic and you know we have you on because obviously you had asked to come back. You got a book coming and, yeah, we saw.

Speaker 2: 2:56

I'll be honest, I'm I'm not as familiar with it, I know of it but but it's extremely interesting. But anyway, for those who haven't listened to the first episode or watch the first episode, uh, if you could kind of just give us a real quick breeze over yourself. So, those who don't know and haven't watched the other show, kind of give us a quick, uh, quick little information about Luke.

Speaker 1: 3:20

Okay well, yeah, I'm, I guess I'm originally from North East Scotland and I moved away when I was a kid down to England and I lived there till I was 29. I worked in America very briefly for about six months in America, went traveling around back to London. I spent 10 years yeah, 10 years in London altogether, and then I moved to Ireland with my then wife, who's Irish Anyway. So I've just ended up staying here ever since and this is my home now. So I've been here for nearly 26 years, I think so, when I had started into this whole druid thing back in london. But I suppose most of that learning process has been here in ireland. So you know, uh, that's pretty much what I'm steeped in in this Irish version of Neo-Jewishism. I call it Neo-Jewishism because it's like we are different from the original Druids, of course, because there's this long period of time and paganism kind of disappeared and reappeared. So I think it's important to distinguish between the two, you know, because absolutely it's changed.

Speaker 1: 4:48

I mean, even christianity has changed enormously dramatically yeah, and like judaism's, changed an awful lot from when it first started various other religions. I actually went to turkey and there's some really ancient chapels in this. I can't remember the place where it is now, the name escapes me but these kind of strange volcanic hills and they're easily carved, so it's soft rock. So they made all these chapels and buildings in the rock and some of the earliest Christian christian churches there where they painted the ceilings and stuff and you know the iconography and everything is just so different from now. Oh sure you get in a modern church, so you know in like whatever that's there, like 200 ad. So 1800 years later you've got something that's completely and utterly different from the early church and I think it's the same with with all the paganism, the different forms of paganism. They're not the same as what it would have been back in the day and.

Speaker 1: 5:59

I'm kind of fascinated with. You know, say we're talking about where things come from as a general thing, and I suppose, since I was a kid, someone say this is that and it's like that. And I'd be like, oh, why is it like that, and where did that come from? And quite often people are like, oh, just shut up you know, I don't know. Or stop asking difficult questions.

Speaker 2: 6:24

Well, so many people are. So they hate challenge. You know, they hate to be challenged for their views and I think it puts some people off and you know, I think that's really kind of a travesty because you don't learn from those things, you know.

Speaker 3: 6:39

No, not at all. Yeah, no not at all.

Speaker 2: 6:41

Yeah, but especially when it comes to and you had mentioned, you know, kind of the transition of how certain religions have become, more you know, either they've adopted some new views, some different feelings about certain things. I think you would have to do that as a religion in order to be able to be, I mean, you'd have to be with the times, you'd have to know that the people who are trying to follow a religion have to understand it, and if they don't, and it doesn't adapt to them, then you really don't have anything. So whether that's good, bad or indifferent, I don't know, I'm not a theologian, so whatever is their thing, but I think if you don't adapt to it, I mean it's just going to probably be one of those things where it turns into an ancient practice that is no longer used yeah, that can be the case.

Speaker 1: 7:32

I mean, I think there's two cases there really either you become like fossilized and sort of like incredibly authoritarian and theocratic, and there are religions like where there's no, there's just total rigidity and there's no room for change, and you know. Or or you're going to go the other way, where it morphs over time, it's going to adapt, it's going to change. Obviously, you know, if you don't have core values, it remains the same. Yeah, then it would be a bit ridiculous, it'd be a bit of pathetic religion if it doesn't stick to its principles. But you know the practice, the, then it would be a bit ridiculous, it'd be a bit of pathetic religion if it doesn't stick to its principles.

Speaker 1: 8:07

But you know the practice, the, the way it's expressed and whatever. You know, people, societies change, people change and we're, you know, there's an evolution in human behavior, consciousness, social behavior, whatever. So, of course, yeah, it's bound to happen that religious practices will, will, it will change over time. You know, if, if they're allowed to, if that's what people want and they are permitted to change things a little bit, then then it will inevitably change yeah, absolutely, or you get labeled, uh, potentially a heretic, which kind of rolls really well into what we're going to be talking about today, um.

Speaker 2: 8:55

So let's talk about the book, um, and I'm gonna let you. I'm gonna let you go ahead and run with it, but kind of roughly, which I can show you.

Speaker 1: 9:03

If you want to have a quick look there, right, let you go ahead and run with it. But kind of roughly, which I can show you. If you want to have a quick look, there you go.

Speaker 2: 9:08

Awesome.

Speaker 1: 9:09

I like this. As you can see, scott here is the main person in this, but you know a subtitle Lost Sister of Tutankhamun. Obviously she is not particularly well known in that role and some people might even say, well, is that the case? Was she? Was she Tutankhamun's sister? And I would say, yeah, absolutely. But then you know, I've, I've. Everyone has their own take on this.

Speaker 1: 9:43

Egyptologists and archaeologists disagree about various things and I suppose it all goes back to Akhenaten, the heretic king, the monotheist Egyptian pharaoh, and he had six daughters. So what you can be pretty sure of it's one of these six and, by process of elimination and various bits of evidence, I think is a really strong case. It's the oldest daughter, mary Taton, who is a Scotier, and for a long time people accepted this story as genuine. For a long time people accepted this story as genuine. And then you got into like the 20th century late, very late, sort of 19th century into 20th century and you go, oh no, this is all a load of rubbish, it's just a story, it's just, you know, mythology. But then what's happened since then is there's been a load of archaeological evidence, there's been a load of DNA evidence, et cetera, etc. Which is ending kind of swung it back the other way. But go, wait, wait a minute. This is like really incredible, this evidence and you stack up all the evidence together of, you know, proof that the Egyptians did travel a long way, that they made it to the UK, that their artifacts are in Ireland and I think one of the you know there's various burials which show links with the Egyptian pharaohs. In fact there's a general DNA link across Europe which you'll find is a connection to the Egyptian dynasties and the strongest you'll find is right on the west I think Spain is pretty strong and in Ireland and Britain it's like the most extreme connection. So that's pretty bizarre. So I mean, without going through the entire book, I mean I could list off everything that points towards this.

Speaker 1: 12:00

It's like a detective story where you're kind of following all these clues to point to the end thing, which is this woman called scottia, who's in all these stories, is buried in an obscure part of ireland in the far west, at the end, the very beginning of what's called the dingle peninsula, in a bottom of a mountain range called sleeve m. There's these two graves there and one is by legend. They haven't ever exhumed them. One is her and the one next to it, which is a bit less fancy, is her horse. And there was this massive battle between what's come to be called the Malaysians, the Gaels, against the people who were already there, who are in charge.

Speaker 1: 12:43

It's the two of the danon, the people of dana, the goddess dana and uh or danu or anu um, and they actually won that battle against the you know, the two of the danon, and they eventually kind of beat them all together but she apparently fell from her horse and died and the horse died too. And if you the foothills of those mountains where where she's buried you can see it's not flat, it's not like super mountainous, but it's sort of getting into the mountainous terrain and there's rocks everywhere and very undulating ground. So I can imagine that you could easily uh, be thrown from your horse, or the horse could stumble, break a leg or whatever, and you're like bang, you're dead. And that happens all the time. Even today, people have horse accidents and just I actually knew someone that she happened to, that they were killed in a horse accident really oh, I didn't really know her really personally.

Speaker 1: 13:48

But you know, uh, you know, but so just as an example, that this kind of stuff still happens to this day, that people are killed in accidents riding horses, and that's not in the middle of a battle, that's just like yeah riding your horse.

Speaker 3: 14:03

You know absolutely uneven ground and rocks and everything.

Speaker 2: 14:07

I could see where that could well happen I'm curious too because if she obviously coming from egypt, unless you go to some of the very far ends of egypt, they don't have as much rock. I mean, obviously, if you're like in which, which I know is not Egypt per se, but there are some places, like I'm trying to think, where maybe Jordan or something like that, where they have a lot of rock and a lot of things like that, but other than that, I think as far as Egypt's concerned, there isn't a ton of that type of topograph Is that part of Ireland, Like I know.

Speaker 1: 15:06

I know certain can be kind of boggy. The ground can be kind of boggy, area is quite mountainous. You know, um and she's going back what you said about egypt, right, what happened was arkanaten moved his capital to a place called uh, it's like the armana, the area it's called uh, I think he called the capital, uh, architect anyway. Um, actually, all around there on the east coast of east bank of the nile, uh, it is all rocky there behind. Behind that there is a big load of rocks and that's where they built the tombs and stuff and they got most of the rock to build the city from that area. But you're generally right, there are little bits of pieces in egypt where there's a big load of rock and then there's like just plains and sand and whatever you know. But yeah, it's not. There isn't a vast stretches of mountain or like uh in egypt.

Speaker 2: 15:56

You know, it's a very kind of mostly flat, fairly flat country really, I suppose yeah, unfortunately, my only experience with egypt was going through the suez canal, and from that side there is no mountains anywhere, so that's about the most I've had.

Speaker 1: 16:11

Can you see very much on the canal or are you like too low down to see anything?

Speaker 2: 16:15

you. Well, first of all, I was in an aircraft carrier so we could see everything, um, quite a bit um, and it's everything that you're, I guess, what you classically think of seeing something in Egypt. You know, very sandy, very, very desert, very arid. But what's interesting is you do see, in little spots, green things growing, which I thought was just so weird. But you know, of course, we're next to water, but I just find that really interesting that you kind of have that little bit of like oasis thought to yourself about oh wow, you could see where that would make sense. But now, for the most part, from what you can see in the Suez Suez or Suez, however you want to pronounce it on an aircraft carrier, which is what? Nine stories from the waterline, yeah, you could see quite a bit.

Speaker 1: 17:05

Yeah, yeah, that would make sense, it's pretty tall, isn't it?

Speaker 2: 17:07

yeah, but it's gorgeous, it's really cool going through there. Um, unfortunately, the way I went through there, we were kind of a sitting target, so my unfortunately my view came while I was holding a weapon, which is not any way I'd want to visit a country, but, um, but still it was. It was interesting, um, but I guess, kind of going back to this, do you and I again, I absolutely don't want you to give away the farm because I have a feeling this is going to be, uh, something people are gonna want to read right away. Um, with with that sort of person coming to you know ancient Ireland and that area, what do you think? Or were there any changes in how people were? Maybe did it change architecture? Did it change? Do you think it changed any way that the folks that were there that first got to meet her on through history? Was there any impact to that?

Speaker 1: 18:06

that were there that first got to meet her on through history. Was there any impact to that? Well, it's really hard to know because, um, for a start, the, you know the, the gales or gaelic people would have been considered foreigners themselves at that time. They were coming from spain and sort of her entourage and the people she was with generally you know stories called the Sons of Mill and another place her husband's called Geithos, possibly came from Scythia, which is sort of Ukraine-Russia area today. So they, well, it's really hard to know exactly. They well, it's really hard to know exactly.

Speaker 1: 18:52

But, like, it would seem that she, she was rescued by somebody and it's hard to know exactly who they were. There's certainly um very ancient letter where somebody it's because of the way they did their names, it's not very obvious who was writing a woman who was like, uh, you know, a pharaoh's wife, uh wrote this letter asking to be rescued. And there's this ancient record written in cuneiform, which was like, you know, that's the uh, sumerian, babylonian script, which was still in use for international stuff. Like English would be today. That would be the international language of the time, right Before Greek became the international language and after that was Latin and then it became, I suppose, probably Spanish for a little while and then English. But in this old tablet she's like I'm really in trouble, can someone come rescue me and get me out of here? You know so, um, there may have been more letters like that, but there's only one that's on record. So she was rescued and fled.

Speaker 1: 20:00

So the people that she fled with, she, we, we don't know for sure, but she may have had an entourage with her from egypt and maybe managed to organize like a whole bunch of her supporters and uh, you know, uh, she may have had like a. I imagine that they had some kind of imperial guard, whatever. There would have been servants etc. They'd have gone on ships. Certainly the egyptians had seagoing ships. Oh yeah, it could have been the phoenicians or somebody like that that took her away. We don't really know for sure, uh, but um, so she would have arrived with uh into spain with her, this group of people. They didn't stay there that long, they, they had to leave. Things didn't go very well in spain and so they ended up coming to ireland, so they basically came as an invasion force. Now she, her name like reverberates through Irish history and Scottish history, so she's an enormous legacy, but herself she may have died almost immediately. We don't know how long she was in Ireland before she died. She could have been here like two days.

Speaker 4: 21:18

Right.

Speaker 1: 21:18

We don't know exactly how long after they got here that battle took there were incursions. How long after they got here that battle took, there were incursions. There were certainly. Um, there's a one of the sons of mill called it, who, um, came here and then went back to spain and I think when he came back he got killed. Somehow he was the first person to get killed of their party, I think. And um, so they, you know, there was a like a exploratory trip here and then they decided to come and then they tried to invade and then they had to fight the uh two of the danum people and there was this huge thing.

Speaker 1: 22:00

Uh, there's a I don't know if you've ever heard of this sort of druid guy called emergan. He's like the chief druid guy. There's this famous poem, the song of emergan, which is all about how they managed to. Essentially, then she did a deal with the three tutu goddesses of ireland that you know. If they promised to sort of like worship them and remember them forever, then they'd be able to come here and to defeat the two of them and they'd have the like, the blessings of the land, blessings of the gods, if you will. So this all happened around that time.

Speaker 1: 22:34

So we it's. It doesn't tell you exactly the time frame whether you're talking about days, weeks or a few months, how long this went on for, but anyway, in this one of the early battles she gets killed. Right, she's already got some children, but it's not like in big detail about all that. But her descendants went on uh, uh, to become like the you know, the modern irish gales, and then Her descendants also went to Scotland and then there's a whole load of mythology around that. That's where Scotland comes from. The name comes from her, from her name.

Speaker 3: 23:14

I didn't know that. That's what I? Yeah, I'd heard that before. That's cool, that's so interesting.

Speaker 2: 23:21

Yeah, and you know, you always wonder. Oh go ahead. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1: 23:25

So she may have actually literally been in Ireland for like a couple of days, even actually on the land, because obviously they spent a good bit of time trying to get into Ireland and failing and having to like retreat in their boats. So we don't really know how long she actually spent in Ireland, but we do know that she did come here and that she died and was buried here. But we do know that she did come here and that she died and was buried here. So her personally, how much of a influence she had, she had on anything you, you just don't know. I mean, if she was only here for, say, a week and died, then it's really more her legacy, her memory, rather than her personally that would have had a. She wouldn't have had much of a chance to have any influence on anybody.

Speaker 2: 24:09

If you know, if you arrive in and you're dead in a week, you know that's not very long, is it just no, no not at all what I think's kind of, really, and again, if you explore more of this in the in the book, I apologize but okay, but okay.

Speaker 2: 24:25

So maybe not her, but if her legacy and her ancestry obviously so much that they named the entire country of Scotland, you know just the fact that it's interesting to find out if there is much Egyptian influence in some of the things that are that are currently in in belief, structure or just in anything, things that current Irish, current Scottish folks do within relation to Egypt. I think about just as simple as architecture. Those are the things that, granted, I'm not a student of this, granted, I'm not a student of this, but you would think that the things that typically other cultures adapt from cultures that have come, you see it a lot in architecture, you see it a lot in music, you see it in the things that are more expressionary. So I'm curious just how much of that is got some influence again. I mean, I I certainly don't know, but I just it's amazing to me, having never heard about this. In fact, I did not know that scotland was named after which makes 100 perfect sense now, but um, but yeah, that's a really difficult question to answer.

Speaker 1: 25:45

While you've just said because, like um, if you think about the more ancient Irish culture, things are constructed revolves around three and nine, and then you've got like, later on you start seeing number four come in, sort of like theology, and you know cosmology and metaphysics and I suppose what you call the occult, now you know. So this whole thing was called Hermeticism, which in Hermeticism you've got four directions and four elements. Okay, that all comes from ancient Egypt. Okay, that all comes from ancient egypt. So you could, you could say that migrated to um, to like western countries, so gradually through various different forms, you know, through the romans and the greeks and then later on from the renaissance. But then there is also a school of thought that think that that was already introduced to Ireland, quite possibly through the Egyptians, and they seem to be. Certainly there were certainly contacts in places like Gaul between the Druids and the greeks and it would seem there was a lot of trade between the uh, the eastern mediterranean and britain and also ireland, mostly for metals really, for you know, tin and copper, things like that, and amber coming all the way from norway even ends up in like places like Israel and Egypt. Oh, absolutely. So it's quite possible there would have been some sort of cults or religious schools that have had an influence on Irish culture.

Speaker 1: 28:02

Because you've got the four directions, you've got the provinces, the five provinces like compass points, the've got the. You know the provinces, the five provinces like like compass points, the one in the middle, um, so we don't really know the date that this kind of information, this kind of way of thinking, the fourfold model instead of the threefold model actually hit Ireland. We don't know when that became a thing really. So some people say, oh, it's medieval, but you know it could be much earlier than that. We really don't know. The first, when you get into things being written down in this of christian period, you know the christians were already affected very much by the sort of neoplatonic, hermetic um model of how things are coming from Rome and Greece and Egypt, where it started. So you know, if it got here earlier by the Egyptians, how would you possibly know? You're not going to be able to actually tell. All I can say is it's possible, but I don't know.

Speaker 2: 29:06

Right, right, that's one of the greatest, know Right, right, that's one of the greatest things.

Speaker 3: 29:09

The great mystery. Right, the question mark is always what drives you.

Speaker 2: 29:14

It's great, aside from the fact that it's just an amazing accounting, and just having that knowledge what kind of made you want to write the book?

Speaker 1: 29:27

Well, it's a whole bunch of things really. Various people I ran into who had mentioned Scott here. And then I remember I read Magnus Magnusson's book about Scotland it's just called Scotland, actually, I think which is a massive book and he mentions her in that and I thought, oh yeah, that's really interesting. And then when I moved to, uh, the Dingle area, which is a long time ago now god, I can't, that must be getting on, for that's about maybe about 10 years ago more or less um, yeah, there is mention about this place, scottia's grave and that. And then she, I got a job in Tralee and I the quickest way to get there was to drive past the monument for Scottier, so I saw it every single day on the way to work, you know, okay, yeah, and I was like oh.

Speaker 1: 30:17

I think maybe I need to go um and visit this place. Actually, I think I'd already been there once at that point and then I thought, gosh, I'd go back again, and you know, for you know I thought this is very interesting. But then I was sort of I wrote a okay, the guy I co-wrote Kerry Folk Tales, but he'd written a version of that story very short for that book, and I read it and I thought so, yeah, well, I think I'd like to do my own version. So I did Dinglefolk Pales. I revisited it and just did another sort of, you know, the mythological version from the Irish text. I kind of just modernized a bit. And you know, some of these old books they're really tough going, you know, you get the story but then there's like 10 pages of like genealogy.

Speaker 4: 31:12

Son of.

Speaker 1: 31:13

Y son of blah blah blah, he did this and did that and blah, blah, blah, and then you've got all this extra stuff in it that is no relation to the story and it's like really hard going. So you know, you strip out all that stuff and then reconstruct the story to tell the same story, but without all the all the gum for it. That's really just irrelevant. So that's what I did with this in Dinglefolk Tales book and then I thought, hey, maybe this just kept coming up over again and over with people talking about it, or I saw videos coming up or I thought, right, not many people have actually done a real kind of investigation into this. There's like only a couple of people that have actually done like a thorough book about this.

Speaker 1: 32:01

Lorraine Evans had done a book and an American guy called Ralph Ellis but I mean mean fair play to him doing this but I thought his book was so speculative it was just way, way too much speculation for my liking. So I thought, right, I go back and I find all the historical records from Egypt and I had help with that. Quite a few archaeologists have helped me out with some of that part of it. Again, in Spain, I had some help from people who were experts in that area and you know I'm familiar with all the Irish texts. I've got all those anyway. So I just went and looked them all up, all the references there that I could find, and the Scottish stuff you know, got this, uh, the original Scottish texts, and just just went through it like with a fine tooth comb, like like you would be if you were a detective, trying to find out what happened to somebody all right, and then?

Speaker 1: 32:59

from that. I just chronologically constructed the whole story, like going through from her father through to her death and then you know, describe a bit about the legacy she's had, the effect she's had on modern day Ireland and Scotland as well. That's like the end of the book. But, um, most of the book is that story from her father, what happened to him and what created a whole situation in the first place, because you know his, his father, arkanatan's father, was kind of normal, I mean hotep the uh, the um the third, when arkanatan was first king or pharaoh, he was arkanatan the four, I mean I Amenhotep IV, and then he changed his name to Akhenaten and because of the Aten, the Aten is like his god, it's like the first monotheistic religion, probably, you know, because Judaism was around but like Judaism didn't have, just like it had a female and a male God really originally At that point maybe it had become purely just Yahweh, I'm not really sure.

Speaker 1: 34:16

But because that's changed, judaism's changed an awful lot from the really early days through to the modern day at various points. So you know at what point it became like sort of a more familiar worship of just Yahweh, because I mean they acknowledge the existence of Elohim means the gods, it doesn't mean one god. So they chose Yahweh out of many gods to be their god, whereas our Canaan decided there wasn't anybody else. It was just the art, and that is god and it's like a solar symbol. So go into all that in the book, but anyway. So you've got to bear in mind there's this whole pantheon of egyptian gods and the priests of amun-ra, and they're like the, the dudes, they're like we're in charge here, and he comes along and he says right, okay, you're all fired. Good luck, bye, bye.

Speaker 2: 35:14

Yeah, I just, you know, just thinking about that, you know just a little bit of knowledge that I have versus, you know, monotheistic thoughts and polytheistic thoughts. First of all, they couldn't be any further from being. You know, there's no normalcy between that. So to have those two clash together would just well. That's where wars come from.

Speaker 3: 35:37

Yeah, no kidding.

Speaker 2: 35:38

It's just, yeah, that's wild. Did you find that kind of removing the exposition you know that you had mentioned, where you just kind of go through the whole genealogical background? Did you find that kind of removing that from there? Did you? Were you able to get more kind of more of that real data that some of the other predecessors that you had mentioned? That didn't get to it.

Speaker 1: 36:05

Well, I think it's just a volume of stuff that I had looked through. Really it's not so much the. If you look at the actual stories, you know I got the same stuff pretty much as what other people got out of it. But there's just like more things that I found that were kind of reinforcing the story, because a lot of people have neglected spain in the story because of the spanish language. I had some help and everything with that because I can't speak spanish, but I got a little bit of help and you go oh well, that's really interesting. That ties in really well. And the only person who really looked at spain, as far as I can see, was lorraine evans, and her work's been helpful in that respect. And there's a some spanish professors that have been like and a spanish author I know who lives in scotland she's been called ness bus. She's been very helpful as well.

Speaker 1: 37:01

So, you know, I I got I pulled in favors from people help in the areas where I knew I was weak, that I would struggle with, with the Egypt stuff and Spanish stuff. I thought, well, I, you know I need to do this right. I need someone who's more expert than that to help me to get the the right bits and then I can put it all together. Yeah, so I pulled from loads of different strands altogether and it kind of all these things just reinforce the whole story really, when you look at it all together.

Speaker 1: 37:37

You know the conventional wisdom really was the Egyptians were like very advanced, but they didn't really go anywhere. They didn't do a whole lot, they just had wars locally and that was the end of it. And then eventually they got, you know, taken over by the, the greeks and then the romans were there and then that was the end of it. It was part of the byzantine empire and then the muslim empire, and there you go. But the reality is they actually did make like ocean-going vessels and they did go out of the Mediterranean, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 38:16

And they did explore places, and so did a lot of the ancient peoples like the Mycenaeans and the Phoenicians sailing up into Northern Europe and down around the coast of Africa and things like that.

Speaker 1: 38:37

So this stuff is all just ignored to a large extent. It's like I mean I saw a documentary about the you know the Chinese fleets oh my gosh, incredible, like the biggest ships in the world at the time. You know the Longfork Columbus, much bigger, like six times the size of Columbus's ships. They circumnavigated the world before the Europeans did. That story is just not told. It's like people they've got this really narrow focus. This is how it is and anything that doesn't fit they just actually literally ignore it.

Speaker 1: 39:16

Oh yeah, Even though there might be 100% irrefutable evidence that X happened, they go oh no, x never happened because it ruins my theory. A and B is ruined by the existence of X, so we're just going to pretend that never happened. We're going to ignore it. There's a lot going on with this story, I think the story of Scott here, because it's very inconvenient If it's true. It really kind of messes up a lot of orthodox historical thinking, you know Right right, and that's OK because that's a true history.

Speaker 3: 39:49

My favorite thing here in the States is you know, we grew up in elementary school. Christopher Columbus discovered America right, Our whole childhood that's what we're told, until we get to college and then forget everything you were told. It's not true. These people were here before. These people were here before. These people were here before. And these people, I mean it's just, it's crazy that they do that. I don't understand what the purpose is.

Speaker 1: 40:16

I mean, there's so much wrong there, because I watched gray uh graham hancock's program and these guys and they find his footprints a human's guy going back about 28 000 years ago and what. What about the Vikings? You know Absolutely. They were there like 400, 500 years before the Chinese even, and they were there before Columbus. Yes, absolutely so, it's like a whole bunch of people that were there before Columbus, oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 40:43

I think a lot of it is what you said. You know, anytime you kind of move and shift paradigm, it disrupts and people just can't deal with that disruption, which is unfortunate because I think a lot of stuff gets lost. Well, in my personal opinion and I've known this for a while that the egyptian influence can be kind of traced kind of around the world of a lot of things that egyptians have have brought in, and it always makes me laugh. I'm like okay, well, hold on a second. If we're all gonna agree, for just a second, which I do believe I don't think the aliens built the pyramids.

Speaker 2: 41:27

I love ufology, I'm a ufo person, but they didn't build the pyramids, we know that. So if we're all gonna agree that the egyptian people built these amazing pyramids and and built the sphinx and built all these amazing monuments, that they couldn't build a ship, I, I know I mean call me, call me dumb, but you know you would think, if, if, if these people are that good that they I mean, in fact, they even believe that they got some of that stuff going through the Nile to get some of that stuff where it needed to be. So if, if they can move these enormous, you know gigantic blocks they couldn't build. A ship that could go across the sea is just asinine to me.

Speaker 3: 42:13

Well, it's whoever's writing the history. That's, that's what it is. Whoever has the most power at the time writes the history and covers the rest of it up. That's what happens.

Speaker 1: 42:23

Yeah, unfortunately it's a lot like many areas of of life where you know there's an orthodoxy that everyone's supposed to accept and then whoever's brave enough to challenge that is going to get absolutely slapped down. You can see it in medicine, all kinds of science, in archaeology, you know, even in art. Like some guy comes along and he ends up chopping off his ear and he's eating his own paints and then, like 100 years years later, he's the most famous, loved artist in the entire world, absolutely, oh my god, and that you can buy, like mugs with sunflowers on and all that. You know. I've been to the, to the museum there in in amsterdam, and it's absolutely full of people. It's just totally full of people the whole day, all day long, every day, all year round. And yet in his own lifetime everyone's going what's this shit? This is, this is a load of crap. He never sold one painting in his whole life, he was, he was destined to look at his work and gone.

Speaker 1: 43:28

What do you want? You must be mad.

Speaker 2: 43:31

Well, yeah, I mean there was a lot to say about that and he was so destitute that you know, of course he wasn't appreciated in those times.

Speaker 1: 43:40

Yeah, I mean, that's just a silly example of this way of looking at things, sure when you when you really want to push the envelope and just go hey, how about doing this differently and this? Or maybe we're wrong about that people really resist it, like the first guy to come up the idea of hygiene. I forget his name, it's a really long, difficult name. I think he was hungarian. He ended up in a mental asylum for suggesting that people wash their hands. Like you know, they told him he was an idiot and all these theories were wrong and convinced him that he was nuts and he got put in a. He died in a mental asylum and he was so right and now he's, like you know, recognized as a pioneer in medicine and hygiene and all this stuff.

Speaker 1: 44:25

But in his own time they locked him up, you know, and he died in a mental institution. It's like that's so tragic, like, but you've got the same thinking. Obviously there's crazy ideas and like people have got these mad theories about, you know, oh, the Great Pyramids, a nuclear reactor or something. You're like, yeah, that stuff's all insane, yeah, it is, you know. But the whole thing of I think it's better to allow people to be a bit nuts and just put those ideas out there, even a crazy run, to just say, no, no one can think differently, no one can challenge this, no one can disagree, and you just shut down straight away. Obviously, if you apply logic, the more wacko theories you're going to realize that they don't work and it's crazy. But that doesn't mean that you kind of just have to like blanket ban everything from being challenged, which is what a lot of these people in academia or whatever on the mainstream.

Speaker 2: 45:25

they just shoot down everything well I think, yeah, I think that uh and I know it's not just in the States. I've, you know, been in the military. I've had the luxury of going all over the world, so it isn't just an American thought process, but we all seem to suffer from an all or nothing problem. So it's either you digest it in whole and kind of whether it's through dogmatic thinking that you have to accept it all, or the fact that you can't look at something in pieces and realize okay, I don't know how I'm on, how on board I am with X, but I can totally back this particular part, and I think that's that is one of the fallacies of human existence. You know that. Okay, granted, we're a show about paranormal, which has nothing to do with it. But you know, I think that's where we run into problems, because in order to have true innovation and in order to be able to do those sort of things, you need to be able to disrupt, and if you can't disrupt, then there is no innovation. You know, if you are so scared in your dogmatic ways that if somebody comes along that has some kind of different, okay, we'll even say political we don't do politics on the show, but I'm just going to say it, even on a political basis, if you're not on one side and you're on another side.

Speaker 2: 46:45

All the great things that have ever happened, even politically, have happened from people that are like, okay, this dude might be nuts, but hang on a second. Look at X, x and X, that makes perfect sense. Do people that are like, okay, this dude might be nuts, but hang on a second. Look at x, x and x, that makes perfect sense. Do I buy all these other things? Certainly not, but can we look at some of this and adapt to it? It happens in technology, it happens in everything that the true innovators have always been the people that are capable of being able to get outside of the box and still be able to talk to the masses yeah, I mean, you mean you look at electricity and you look at the TV, the radio, all these things, you know.

Speaker 1: 47:19

you say, well, if you go back far enough and you say, hey, I've got this idea, I'm going to make this little box and maybe it can have a picture in it of me, and then you can be somewhere else and this stuff will fly through the air and go to the other box and you'll be able to see me. And they go right, go get the key and put this guy in the loony bin and lock him in. Throw the key away on this guy, right? You know, that's like john logy baird. You know scott inventor, he made the first TV, you know, I mean, he thought I was going to be an educational tool.

Speaker 4: 47:59

It didn't really turn out.

Speaker 1: 48:03

Like how he thought it would.

Speaker 2: 48:05

Right. Well, we perverse the crap out of that. I mean, you know you give humanity anything that allow them to sit and do jack shit for hours.

Speaker 4: 48:15

They're going to pervert it somehow.

Speaker 2: 48:17

You know they're going to do something to it. That's not good.

Speaker 1: 48:21

Yeah, but it's just like that's kind of it would seem like magic to people back in the day and say that's not possible. That's not possible. There's so many things about the world, about existence, about our own selves even that we don't understand. We're only really getting to understand now some of this stuff about how the mind works, the brain, whatever the sort of things like ESP et cetera.

Speaker 1: 48:51

which people have been like you either got to be burned as a heretic, or you're crazy or whatever. And now we see like, oh gosh, both the Russians and Americans spend like billions on investigating all this stuff. So if I was allowed to hokum, then why would they spend, like you know, 20 billion on investigating remote viewing or something?

Speaker 4: 49:14

Oh yeah, minutes air quotes Rubbish.

Speaker 1: 49:17

You know so a lot of this stuff. They don't want to publicly admit about things being actually the way they are. They actually do know certain things are true. Again, with the art of archaeology, these people who are great authorities, sometimes they know that something's true but they're just not going to admit it because it's not convenient. You know if, if it didn't suit your agenda and you thought it might affect your, your money or your power or your influence, you just quietly, just move that out into the corner where no one can see it and just hope everyone forgets. And and people do forget about stuff. Actually, it's amazing how quickly, if you just shunt something into the corner, you, you know, look at Gobleki Tepe.

Speaker 1: 50:14

You know that only really became a mainstream thing. Was it in the last five, 10 years really? Yeah, that guy discovered that like 1987 or something, I know. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, professor Schmidt, it's like he's dead now of now, of course, but like, look how long it took to to make it through to public consciousness it's only when it's palatable for them at the time.

Speaker 2: 50:41

That's all it comes down to yeah, but uh, well, listen, writing the book. I'm gonna go back to the book for just a second because I think, honestly, luke, you myself and nicole could probably have a show, for you know, years on, all this stuff, that we feel about this stuff. But as far as the book itself was there kind of obviously, so we're kind of getting towards the end here. Is there something that you discovered kind of in the I don't know in the journey, because I've often talked to people. You know, of course, we talked to a lot of authors, but we've talked a lot of authors that say that writing is cathartic and it always opens up either new questions or answers questions. Was there something from this particular book that kind of gave you that oh shit, or that, oh my gosh? You know I did not expect that. Was there anything, or was there more than one?

Speaker 1: 51:30

Yeah, well, there's a couple of things. Well, first, there was the whole thing about the uh, you know, the voyages because, like I had, you know, the orthodoxy was like the egyptians built the first like proper boats, but they only used them to go up and down the nile, like you said, and transport stuff. So the orthodoxy is, oh, they didn't go out very far, they were bad sailors and well, I mean, in a military perspective they weren't really very good, you know, as a Navy. That's true, but, like you know, merchant shipping and being like a warship are two different things, aren't they, you know? So you know, you don't have to be like a brilliant, like I don't know who's, a brilliant tactician on the water, I don't know, but you wouldn't have to be like this amazing admiral type to be able to go off to another country, for us to be like Admiral Halsey or somebody like that.

Speaker 1: 52:23

Yeah, you just need a seagoing vessel. It doesn't have to be full of weapons, you're just going off to get stuff and come back. Obviously, probably back in the day you'd want to have a few people with you know some kind of weapons in case you got attacked. Yeah, um, but so that was all a fallacy, that I used to believe that orthodoxy. And then going through all the research and the book and you know, the replicas of the egyptian boats were built in the late 60s and stuff that's. That's all detailed in the book I'm just like, oh, my god, it's amazing.

Speaker 1: 52:57

So, um, they weren't the only people who were building like ships that were seagoing, like I said before, the mycenians, uh, and the um, um, oh gosh, the guys from cartage and all that, what they're called again, um, anyway, I forget the name. There's a whole bunch of different peoples from that time who were building sophisticated boats and but it was the egyptians, it seems, that came up with the first like really sophisticated boats, and before then the mesopotamians were building boats really kind of not very complex ones, but, like you know, it was the egyptians have perfected, like the wooden slatted boats you know that were planking. That was the egyptians that come up with all that wow. So it seems a bit stupid that it wouldn't bother to go. Oh, we've just invented this amazing like new type of boat, but we won't bother to use it, we'll just go down the Nile, like you know just look at it, yeah just sit here and look at our lovely creation.

Speaker 1: 54:01

We won't bother to to go anywhere in it. You know it's so funny, it's just so ridiculous it really is.

Speaker 1: 54:08

It's the other thing I came across was something at Scotty's grave which was, um, when you go, you just people actually make a mistake. Quite often they look at this big rock with the drawing right you know mostly graffiti on it. Uh, that's where the own symbol would have been the own writing, which is gone because probably been dissolved by time, um, but the actual graves are a little bit further up from this big rock, which so not everyone goes to the right place. But in the center there's one central rock which is about you you think in feet, do you feet rather than centimeters? So it's probably about maybe two foot by two foot or a little bit smaller than that maybe. So in normal weather you can't see it, but when it's really heavy rain, then I've been there many times and been there in the pouring rain, really pouring rain you got, oh, what's those funny marks? It's got these strange lines and stuff on it and I'm like, oh, that's really weird.

Speaker 1: 55:13

So I took a bunch of photographs and then you know I've gone into that in the book, the analysis of what this is. This is not random, this is being done by somebody. Somebody has carved these lines and shapes into this rock in the middle of what's supposed to be a grave and some people say, oh no, it's not a grave, it's just a bunch of stones and somebody's putting them there for no good reason. So I mean, people tend to not put in loads of effort to like get a big load of stones and put a big stone in the middle and a ring around them and then bother to carve stuff on the stone for absolutely no reason at all, like, maybe we're just like oh, I'm a bit bored today, I'm just going to, let's just do this, let's just make some random thing in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 2: 56:00

Especially at that time, because getting rock and getting all that there at that particular time, it's not like they had an excavator, they couldn't just put it there.

Speaker 1: 56:10

I mean, the rocks might just be locally gathered and they may have been hastily done, but like, obviously it was done for some reason, just for like, out of boredom or like you know. People actually say people don't just do stuff like that for fanciful reasons. I mean life was hard, time was valuable. People didn't just do stuff for you know, in a frivolous way, like they might do now.

Speaker 2: 56:38

yeah, exactly yeah, absolutely everything.

Speaker 1: 56:40

So that was quite shocking and, uh, you know, it would be good if someone were to go back there and do like proper analysis with likes of, uh, you know, x-rays or some other kind of Like. Lidar.

Speaker 2: 56:54

Yeah, like ground penetration.

Speaker 1: 56:55

Yeah, that kind of thing, LIDAR, yeah, and maybe someone should go and dig up the grave and excavate it properly and find if there is a body underneath there, because you know, they have got Tutankhamun's body, they've got Akhenaten's body, I think they might even have Nefertiti's body, they believe. So now, yes, yeah, and like if this, if there's someone buried there and they can do a dna test and go, this person is directly related to toon carmoon. That's toon carmoon's sister, that's arkanartan's daughter, that's nefertiti's daughter, right, and if they could do that, they go.

Speaker 1: 57:34

Wow, then this story is 100 irrefutably true, that's true so, but I mean, no one's really interested to go there at the moment. It is a difficult place to get to. It's. You're going to wallow, go through a load of mud and cross these little tiny bridges which are just narrow enough for one person. Uh, it's not an easy place to get to and, like you really need some wellington boots because you're big, hiking boots because you're going to be up to your ears in mud. You know if you go any other time that there's not like being dry for a week or two. You know it's, it's like pretty, it's. It's not like a fun walk, it's a bit tough going.

Speaker 1: 58:15

But when you get there, but I mean so maybe part of it is like not wanting to have to try and lug all this gear down there and, you know, have to helicopter in like a load of stuff or whatever, because it isn't accessible by car or truck or anything like that. So I think that might be something to do with it as well.

Speaker 3: 58:36

Sure, Maybe your book will inspire a future archaeologist to want to find out and.

Speaker 1: 58:43

I would imagine, I would be so happy if, even if they said I know you're wrong, but it'd be nice to know if I'm. If I am wrong, well, yeah, yeah, fair play. You know, I brought, you know, I want to know the truth regardless of whether it's my version or someone else's, I'd like to know is there anyone buried there and, if so, who are they? You know, right exactly yeah that's amazing.

Speaker 3: 59:08

That's the challenge prove me wrong exactly.

Speaker 2: 59:11

I don't mind being wrong, but tell me why yeah exactly. Well, luke, listen, uh, I know that. Um, I'm excited, I'm excited to read it, um, and, and I know we don't know exactly when it comes out, but when it does, we'll, we'll, absolutely update.

Speaker 1: 59:27

It is out in march but, I haven't got the exact date for you right this moment, sure, so it's sort of like um, very soon, but uh, yeah, but I'll make sure to let you know the exact date of publication anyway yep, and we'll definitely let everybody know that, um, but other than that, I I, every time you come and talk to us.

Speaker 2: 59:49

It's just, it's amazing so.

Speaker 3: 59:51

I learned so much.

Speaker 2: 59:51

I do learn a lot and uh, it was an absolute I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 1: 59:55

It's been uh, it's as you say here, it's good crack but I mean obviously that I have to be careful that word. It has different meaning, doesn't it? Yeah?

Speaker 2: 1:00:03

well, I mean good crack. Here in the us can mean a lot of different things, but I get where you're going yeah, we know, we know the meaning but uh well, listen. Thanks again for coming on. We had a great time and hope to get you back on soon.

Speaker 1: 1:00:19

Yeah, well, thank you so much for having me back and yeah, I really enjoyed it and yeah, yeah, I'd love to come on again, maybe when I have another one. That would be a little while, though. It took me three years of work to do this book, you know, jeez.

Speaker 3: 1:00:34

Yeah, for little while, though. It took me three years of work to do this book, you know, jeez yeah, for sure I, I can imagine.

Speaker 2: 1:00:37

So that's a lot of research to do, absolutely, yeah, well, yeah again. Thanks, luke, and we'll talk to you soon. Okay, thanks a million, bye-bye, bye-bye.

Speaker 3: 1:00:45

Thanks, luke, for coming back thank you, luke, it was good talking to you again it was a good time.

Speaker 2: 1:00:49

You know, was this show potentially paranormal? Not in the traditional sense, I'll give you that, um, but the mystery behind it is very paranormal, um, if you think about it just in the sense that you know, like he was talking about them traveling, you know, going on the open sea, which I clearly believe they do it, they did yeah, well, a lot of the spiritual ties of egypt kind of coincide, I think, with a lot of like the, the pagan and druid and like I mean all those things go together so I'm interested to actually read the book and see what he actually talks about.

Speaker 3: 1:01:25

Obviously we couldn't spoil it no you know, we want everyone to read it and I want to read it. So I'm excited to see that, and I had heard previously about Scotia. I hadn't. So it is interesting. Yeah, it is interesting.

Speaker 2: 1:01:39

And I think that the namesake of Scotland comes from that I know.

Speaker 3: 1:01:43

And from someone that wasn't alive very long, I know it's so crazy how that stuff happens.

Speaker 2: 1:01:48

Which again tells me there had to have been a ton of influence.

Speaker 3: 1:01:51

Yeah, I think there's a lot more than we know. But, to find the evidence of it. Like he was saying, it's very difficult. But I'm so interested in reading about his research because he seems to be one of the first ones to really dive into it.

Speaker 2: 1:02:05

Yeah, he had mentioned there had been some others, but he's kind of gotten more into the weeds so to speak.

Speaker 3: 1:02:09

Yeah, yeah, so very, very cool.

Speaker 2: 1:02:11

Yeah, listen guys, tell us what you think, check out the book and, yeah, we're happy you joined us and we'll talk to you next time.

Speaker 3: 1:02:25

Yeah, we'll make sure and put the the links to the book in the episode notes. We don't, as of this moment, know what date it's coming out, but we'll make sure and put all that on our Facebook page, show notes and everywhere that we share the video. So make sure and click on it. Buy his book, reach out to him. He's very, you know, easy to talk to.

Speaker 2: 1:02:41

Super approachable.

Speaker 3: 1:02:42

Yes, yes. So reach out with questions, because I'm sure he'd love to talk to you about them, absolutely so, all right, well see you next week.

Speaker 4: 1:03:06

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