Exploring Verified Near-Death Experiences with Author Simon Bown

Are we more than just our physical bodies? In this enlightening episode, we delve into the profound subject of near-death experiences (NDEs) with Simon Bone, the author of "Verified Near-Death Experiences: Proof of an Afterlife." Simon takes us on a fascinating journey through verified accounts of individuals who have brushed against the veil of death and returned to share invaluable insights about the nature of consciousness and the afterlife.

From mesmerizing stories of shared death experiences to the common elements found in personal life reviews post-NDE, we explore how these narratives paint a picture of existence that extends beyond our physical lives. Could these testimonies challenge our understanding of death and open the door to the possibility that consciousness continues? 

Simon discusses his motivations for writing his book and highlights remarkable instances that defy scientific reasoning while examining the profound implications for skeptics and believers alike. He emphasizes the comfort found in knowing that many experiencers return without fear, understanding death as a mere transition rather than an end. 

Join us as we unravel the mysteries of NDEs and how they can transform the way we view life, death, and the connections we share. You won't want to miss this thought-provoking conversation! Be sure to engage with us and share your thoughts or questions about your own perspectives on death and what may lie beyond. Remember to subscribe, leave a review, and explore more topics that inspire and challenge the mind!

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction and Episode Overview
• 5:57 Meet Simon Bone: Hypnotherapy and Near
• 12:57 Significance of Verified Near
• 25:57 Personal Experiences: The Impact of an NDE
• 38:27 Exploring Shared Death Experiences
• 50:57 Skepticism in Near
• 1:05:57 Common Themes in NDEs and Life Reviews
• 1:20:57 The Role of Consciousness in Life and Death
• 1:35:57 Final Thoughts: Why Understanding NDEs Matters

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:58

I felt like more people should know about it, because it's the thing that can indicate that when we die we're not just completely annihilated, that our consciousness continues, and for a lot of people that's a very scary thought that that would happen to us. But when there's all these things that connect up, like children, with past life memories and near-death experiences and mediumship, and then there's deathbed visions and there's past life regression and there's something called shared death experiences and terminal lucidity, you know all these different things and they all kind of are parts of this puzzle.

Speaker 3: 1:38

Thank you Well. Hey, everybody, welcome back.

Speaker 2: 2:18

Hey everyone.

Speaker 3: 2:19

I'm Logan and I'm Nicole and you're listening to Generation X Paranormal Guys. We've got a great episode. You know we've covered a lot of different topics when it comes to what we're going to talk about. We've talked about near-death experiences with a couple of hosts prior to this, or guests rather, and we've talked to this particular person before as well. So this is going to be one of those where it's probably going to touch the feels a little bit, because we all got to go through it. But we're going to be talking to Simon Bone and Nicole. What can you tell us about him?

Speaker 2: 2:54

So Simon is the host of Our Paranormal Afterlife and the Alien UFO podcast two separate podcasts and the Alien UFO podcast two separate podcasts. He's also a hypnotherapist that specializes in past life regression, which is what we spoke to him about last year when he was on our show. But today we are speaking to him about his new book, which just came out two days ago, and it's called Verified Near-Death Experiences Proof of an Afterlife, and it's called Verified Near-Death Experiences Proof of an Afterlife.

Speaker 3: 3:23

Yeah, and I'm really interested in talking to him. Because of some of my personal history we may get into that, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 3:30

And I have read the book. The stories in this book are fascinating. Yeah, I'm sure, so I'm excited to talk to him.

Speaker 3: 3:38

Yeah, for sure, let's talk to Simon, let's talk to Simon. Well, hey, simon, welcome back to Generation X Paranormal.

Speaker 1: 3:46

It's great to be here. I'm glad I can talk to you guys again.

Speaker 2: 3:48

Yeah, for sure, been looking forward to it.

Speaker 3: 3:51

Yeah, it's funny. We've had so many different guests and I think Nicole and I have both mutually agreed that for some reason, the sound of your voice is so like, so soothing and relaxing that we, uh, we like, oh, we're going to get to talk to Simon today. I'm like, oh, it'll be a nice nice little relaxing meditation.

Speaker 2: 4:12

Yeah, you know, tapes or something should be on the call map really Cause it's. It's pretty impressive.

Speaker 3: 4:17

But but yeah, last time you were on we talked about past life regression and obviously it's a very interesting subject. You know we've we've covered that pretty well and the the book that we're about to talk about, that you you've got coming out, is a bit near and dear to my heart for a lot of different reasons, and I think we might have even talked about it on the last time you're on. But kind of before we get into all that, and since you have been on, it can be really brief, but kind of give our audience kind of a really quick, short bio, if you will, kind of what got you here?

Speaker 1: 4:55

Okay, I've got a diploma in clinical hypnotherapy in 2016 and I'm certified in past life regression therapy and I started podcasting 2018 and I've got two podcasts now that are paranormal afterlife and alien UFO podcast and with those two combined, I've now released over 800 episodes and I've had all sorts of experiences myself over the decades that are paranormal and just weird, and so it's been like when I was 10 years old, I would be taking books out of the local public library about all sorts of supernatural things, but it kind of came down to these two things of afterlife and UFOs, and it's weird because it's getting to a point now where people are seeing there's a connection between those two things. Yep, but, um, in my podcast, our paranormal afterlife, I'm looking for evidence of an afterlife because I'm not religious, I've never have been and um, I, so it's the kind of thing if somebody says I got some evidence as an afterlife, i'm'm like, okay, prove it. Where is the evidence? What is?

Speaker 3: 6:01

it.

Speaker 1: 6:04

Yeah, that's definitely true. I was going to say I could talk about it for hours, but then I have done 800 episodes.

Speaker 2: 6:10

Right, so there have been hours For hours.

Speaker 3: 6:13

Yeah, yeah, when it comes to the afterlife, I find that you have to take into account so many different things. You have to take into account, obviously, religious beliefs and things of that nature. So it can get a little bit tricky when you're trying to kind of delve into it and get kind of the I don't know the real nuts and bolts of everything behind it. And then sometimes you've got to bring in the scientific part of it too to see kind of how it all washes together. And I think it's it's probably a very personal and different experience for each individual too. I would think there's not a one size fits all. You know what I mean. It would be almost impossible.

Speaker 3: 6:52

Well, I would imagine there's going to be some, some similarities. I would imagine there's gotta be some very unique things that each person that's had one of these has had, so kind of getting started. So let's talk about it. Let's talk about the book. So we, like I said, nicole's had a chance to read it and I'm going to get there, I promise. We just haven't had a chance to with work, but Verified Near-Death Experiences Proof of an Afterlife. Aside from the numerous amount of content that you've created behind it, what made you decide to write a book about it.

Speaker 1: 7:31

I feel like I've been doing the podcast because I come across this amazing information.

Speaker 1: 7:37

For years I've been reading books and I think this is amazing and I felt like more people should know about it because it because it's the thing that can indicate that when we die we're not just completely annihilated, that our consciousness continues, and for a lot of people that's a very scary thought that that would happen to us. But when there's all these things that connect up, like children with past life memories and near-death experiences and you know mediumship, and then there's deathbed visions and there's past life regression and there's something called shared death experiences and terminal lucidity parts of this puzzle and it's a thing. We don't have all the parts of the puzzle, but we've got some of them and you can see how they all link up and they they make sense of each other and it all does really point towards consciousness surviving death and that your brain is not the source of consciousness. And I talked to a guy recently on my podcast called Dr Robert Davis. He's retired now but for 30 years he was professor of neuroscience at New York University or the University of New York.

Speaker 3: 8:50

Right NYU.

Speaker 1: 8:51

I don't know which way around, but yes, I read his book and there's some weird brain stuff that he talks about where there's something called hydrocephalus. There's some weird brain stuff that he talks about where there's something called hydrocephalus, which is when there's enormous amount of liquid buildup in the skull, and it can be when the baby's in the womb and the brain matter is pushed right up, so it's just a lining of the skull. And there are people who are completely. You would have no idea that that is what happened to them, but it's later on. You out this straight-A student you know who may be great in college and he has some reason to have a scan on his brain and they find he virtually doesn't have one.

Speaker 1: 9:33

And then there was another woman who she needed surgery and it affected the whole left side of her brain. I think it was her left side and it was completely gone. So she only had the left side of her brain. I think it was a left side and it was completely gone. So she only had the right side of her brain, but it didn't affect her personality, as she was as a person. She was still there and it's almost like that the brain is a, a processing unit or something that they're like a receiver, for sure a radio. And if the radio breaks, it doesn't mean the radio station stops transmitting.

Speaker 3: 10:06

Great analogy yeah.

Speaker 1: 10:07

I've had great interest in all of this and so I came around to write a book about it because I had all that information and I knew there was more detail there. And this book about verified near-death experiences they're called Veridical, which is in my book. It's veridical comes from the latin word veridicus to mean the truth, and with veridical ones I only know of one other book about veridical near-death experiences. All the other books that I've ever found and all the stuff I've done with the podcast. They mention it but they don't really study it and make it the function of the book, the focus of the book. So I thought that's what I want to do. I want to get this out to people. So that's what the book's about.

Speaker 1: 10:52

It's these incidences when somebody has a near-death experience and they have that out-of-body experience and they're looking down on their body and they'll see something happen while they're dead and because it may be in an operating theatre, the brain is hooked up to a machine. The heart is so they can see the heart stop beating, the brain is flatlined and then the person will recount to the team what happened during the resuscitation and the medical team can say but you can't have seen that. We know your brain was flatlined when that happened and they said, no, I was at the ceiling, I was watching it. But in my book there's about 30 near-death experiences and there's all sorts of verifications in there. So that was in the operating theater, but I've got one with a guy that was in an apartment seven kilometers away. He was very accurate about what happened while he was in hospital having cpr, so that there's all sorts of things in this book and it's that verification. They see something that happened while they're dead.

Speaker 1: 11:53

And uh, dr eban alexander was on my podcast. He was professor of neurosurgery at harvard medical school. He told me that when your heart stops, your brain will flatline within about 20 seconds and it is impossible for your brain to make and retain complex memories while it's in that state. And yet that is what these people do and they see it from a perspective of outside the body.

Speaker 2: 12:18

Wow, yeah, I think I know which story you're talking about, where they traveled to the body. Wow, yeah, I think I know which story you're talking about, where they traveled to the apartment. It was the one where I think it was the nurse's family that he visited the apartment and he was able to tell, like the husband's socks, what was on his socks. It was crazy. Oh, that's odd. I was like, yeah, yeah, it was fascinating, fascinating story. You know when?

Speaker 3: 12:42

it comes to death. You know, unfortunately it's something we're all going to do. There's no escape from it. It is at the end for all of us and, as I find myself getting a little bit on the in a golf term, on the back nine of this mortal coil, you know, I realize that it is something that I have to entertain. I know it's there and there's a lot of fear behind it. Did you find that that kind of? Obviously you've got a lot of content in it and not knowing how you particularly feel about it, but did you find that with these experiencers, did they have a completely new outlook on? You know sort of what kind of is there at the end for all of us?

Speaker 1: 13:27

Yeah, it's a thing that just about all near-death experiencers say is they have no fear of death at all. They know that when you die, losing your body is just like taking an overcoat off and it's just a transition to another form of existence. And often they get into that state and they'll say that this is just one of your lives and that this is an existence. You know this life is gone, but then I know about all the others now and I know that I'll have more lives to come, and there's pretty much a universal message from people who have near-death experience who say there's nothing to fear in death. It's just a transition.

Speaker 3: 14:10

That is very comforting. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2: 14:12

That's what I've always heard from most of the people that well, we've had what one near-death experiencer and one shared-death experiencer on our podcast as well, and they both said the same thing.

Speaker 3: 14:28

Yeah, shared-death blows me away.

Speaker 2: 14:30

It was the first time I'd ever heard of that experience.

Speaker 3: 14:32

Yeah, I'd never heard of that before, but I would imagine it's so cathartic to have something like that happen, and I don't know if we covered this the last time we spoke, and I think we did. But and my audience is our audience, rather, is pretty pretty well knows about this, but I had a brain bleed, oh gosh. What is it now?

Speaker 3: 14:50

A couple of years now two to three years, about two or three years ago and for me it absolutely was like a light switch bang. I was gone. But it's hard for me to kind of correlate with some of this because for me it was just complete, it was a void and I never got any experience at all. So whenever I talk with someone or, I guess, sit down and try to have a rational conversation, I always try to try to figure out what it was that I got to experience. Now, I'm not saying it was near death because I don't know, but what I know happened is I got this brain bleed, I shut down completely, went out, and to explain to somebody that that there was a void, it's not even what a void is, it is absolutely non existence, and then it's. That has been really the hardest thing for me to digest about that entire experience. So, but it was fast. It was so fast that you know, my eyes were still open. You know people who came, you know, to help me. My eyes were still open. It had happened that fast.

Speaker 3: 15:55

So I always wonder, knowing that consciousness and not knowing what, where consciousness lives. It's always been one of those things to rationalize, because my brain, for all intents and purposes, was shut down. Was it flatline? Probably not, cause I would imagine my heart would have stopped and and all those sort of things. But you know, when I came to, you know, granted, it took an entire year for me to recover from that and then some. But but yeah, I'm always, I guess I'm always really looking for an answer of where that consciousness lives.

Speaker 3: 16:32

And with what you've written, nobody knows for sure. But have you got some thoughts kind of of where, where our genesis comes from? Because I'm with you, I don't believe that your consciousness resides in your brain, because I had that brain bleeding. It affected such a large portion of it that I know everything kind of remapped. You know it's very dynamic. Things kind of went back around.

Speaker 3: 16:58

You know, you always think that in the brain you've got one spot that controls this and if that gets damaged it never works again. Now, while there's some truth behind that, there's also kind of a misnomer behind that, because it will, if it's capable, kind of remap some of that. And we've had brain surgeons. Well, we had a brain surgeon on and you know we kind of talked about that, but uh, but yeah, I guess my long diatribe goes to where, where do you believe, or what are some of your experiences believe kind of where their consciousness uh lies well, they seem to suggest that, um, what we experience of the world, of the universe, is such a tiny fraction of what's actually there and where is our consciousness?

Speaker 1: 17:48

It's right here, it's all around us, and they talk about this amazing connection when they're in that space where they may meet up with all these other spirits or souls and they're all connected and they know each other absolutely and it's everywhere. You know it's. I suppose it's like the, the thing the bible will say god is everywhere. It's like this. This, uh, afterlife is everywhere. Yeah, but, um, what you're talking about with your experience is one of the things about near-death experiences is only a like 12, 15 percent of people who have a near-death sort of physical episode remember, having an experience of being outside the body and all that spiritual stuff. Most people don't have a near-death experience when they have a heart attack or something, and I've wondered why that is. And there's I know, one researcher I'm sorry, one researcher who thinks it's that everybody has it but not everybody remembers. And there's another feeling that a near-death experience is a real, spiritually transformative experience and the spirit world might be watching you and seeing how you're living your life and thinking. You know what.

Speaker 1: 19:07

We need to have a word with them and when they have the near-death experience, like, quick, grab him, he's, he's, he's dead we can talk to him now, wow that's a good point yeah, I have had, uh, as a hypnotherapist, a couple of people who've asked me to regress them to that point where they had some kind of episode of a heart attack or something, to see if they had a near death experience. And little things have come up in the hypnosis, little memories. And there's also there's other times people have a near death experience and they're with what you might call their spirit guides and those might say to them something like we're not going to let you remember this experience, the whole of it, we're just going to let you remember enough so that you realized it happened and you believed in it. So it's as though the spirit world can take away the whole memory of it if they need to, and maybe that's something that happened to you.

Speaker 3: 20:02

That is fascinating, I will say. Since that happened, I have changed quite a bit. Honestly, that was kind of the genesis of our show really kind of started with that, because we both, even though she didn't have the experience well, she had the experience, just in a different way, still traumatic, still traumatic. And we've been searching for answers for a lot of different things. But no, that makes sense. I'd be interested to find out if I did in fact have one, because I do feel like my consciousness and what I do and what I value completely skewed after that. So it is something that I may have to hit you up which I'm absolutely, in fact, if I were we literally just talked about this the other day If we were to ever do one of those we're calling you we're not doing it with anybody else, we know you, we trust you at this point, but oh great.

Speaker 1: 21:03

I got a soothing voice.

Speaker 3: 21:04

yeah, I'm telling you, man, it's amazing you know, we talk, I, I love all our guests, they're all absolutely cherished. But there are some select few that when you speak to them there's just, there's an ebb and flow and I mean, I I'm not going to say you have a podcaster's voice, because there's so many podcasters out there who the heck knows what that really means. But you know, it's it's, it's very soothing.

Speaker 3: 21:27

So anyway, probably go on for hours about that. But okay, so let's go. Let's talk a little bit about some of the stories. Now I'm at a little bit of a disadvantage because I know Nicole's read half and you wrote it. But what were, I guess, what were the ones and I'm sure each one of them has a very special meaning, or you wouldn't have taken the time to to write about it. But what would be one of the I guess one of the cornerstone stories that went okay, this is something that either a you hadn't expected or b? Um, that would really be shocking. A lot of people wouldn't quite wrap their heads around well, there's so much in the book.

Speaker 1: 22:13

I mean there's, um, this guy, randy schaefer, who had his near-death experience. He was in a coma when he had covid and he had a 3% chance of surviving and he had four different episodes of near-death experience during that. But the thing that was really great of the verification this type of verification, was that towards the end of his last experience, this man appeared who he didn't know who it was and he kept on saying tell madison at the salon, I'm okay. And then he kept on hearing the word veteran in his mind and he saw this man on a white porch and he had all these flags and he was making up red, white and blue ribbons and things. And when he came out of the coma and eventually got home and he needed a haircut, he was looking for a card for a hair salon and he found one, gave it to his daughter and said can you book me in? And she came back and said this is Madison. So they booked the haircut and he went. While he was sitting in the chair having a haircut, he explained to her that I saw this guy who said tell madison at the salon and he described he describes the man to her and she said that's, that's my grandfather. He died about a year ago.

Speaker 1: 23:36

And so randy said, did he live in this town? Because he was worried that he'd seen him somewhere and that was where he got the image from. But she said no, he lived in Idaho, they were in Florida and he'd never been to Florida. So he started saying, well, you know, he said that there was the white porch and he saw him making up these ribbons and he had these flags and the word veteran. And she said, yes, he, he would sit on his white porch and, you know, and make that stuff up, because he was a veteran and they have veterans day and he took a big part in that. And so he um got uh, this, this guy, john, he was the guy that died the grandmother's phone number and called her up in Idaho and said look, my name is Kathy. He said this is what happened and this is what I saw. And she sent him a photograph and that was it. That was exactly the guy that he had seen during the near-death experience, and so that was a real strong confirmation. And eventually he went to visit and he stood on that white porch, was exactly as he'd seen it during the near-death experience.

Speaker 1: 24:46

And so Kathy said to him you know, this isn't the first time John's tried to make contact, as then it's weird with business cards because she found a business card in his drawer that was for an insurance company and she thought maybe he had some life insurance. So she called the number and the guy answered and he said no, I have nothing to do with insurance. And he said what number did you dial? And she said I dialed this number. And he said oh, you got the area code wrong. I'm in California. And he said who are you? And he said well, I'm Kathy and I'm in Idaho. And he goes hang on, you're Kathy in Idaho.

Speaker 1: 25:22

I had an accident on a motorbike couple of weeks ago and it was really bad and while I was lying on the tarmac I nearly died. I heard somebody shouting at me tell Kathy in Idaho, I'm okay, just shouting it over and over. And he had his motorcycle crash out in the countryside, not in a town or something. When the ambulance was there. He asked them who was there and the ambulance said there was no one there, you were all by yourself.

Speaker 1: 25:49

So there's, there's a couple of funny little verifications there that this guy he saw during the near-death experience and how he's found another way to communicate. And it's also that, that connection with Kathy and the insurance guy, the string of events that would have to come together, that she would have to misdial his number and it would happen to be in and they would have that conversation. And so how would John know two weeks in advance that he would make a misdialed phone call to this guy? It's almost like, you know, the guy in the dead guy knew the future. He knew what was going to happen. God, that is wonderful. Or maybe John interfered with the phone call and when she dialed he messed up the dial on purpose from his side, somehow electronically Right. I just don't know, but I love that story.

Speaker 2: 26:37

That is amazing I hadn't gotten to that one. Yeah, that's yeah, First of all.

Speaker 3: 26:42

It's so leveled and layered. You know, it's so much more than just Determined.

Speaker 2: 26:48

Oh yeah, very determined, yeah, for sure, to pass on his message yeah that's for sure.

Speaker 3: 26:53

But you know, you hear about some of these and it's just, they're all valid, there's nothing wrong with it. And they're all valid, there's nothing wrong with it. But you know, this one in particular has got so much, like I said, it's just very layered, so it's interesting. I would imagine that's probably one of the ones that I would agree with you. That is one of those where, okay, you could have easily pawned off maybe one of those I don't know about easily, but maybe one of those events you could have maybe talked yourself out of or rationalized it in some way, shape or form to say, ok, well, maybe it's just very coincidental or, you know, there may be some other explanation behind it.

Speaker 1: 27:34

But when you put it all together and you look at it from that holistic view, I mean just wow, what an amazing accounting and he had quite a set of experiences with the what you might call the spirit world and things that happened that were quite strange. And there was a point where he, in his first part of his near-death experience, he found himself in this incredible hall that was so big and so tall and so beautiful. And this guy was standing next to him who said you like this place? And he goes yeah, I love this place. And the guy said this is called the welcoming hall, this is where people come to, and they were talking about it. And then the guy said to him you're not supposed to be here, you've got to leave.

Speaker 1: 28:20

And so he had to leave the hall and he went out through these big wooden doors and he was in this amazing city which he said was beyond anything on earth. The skyscraper is so tall and it was so beautiful and he felt kind of lost. He didn't know where to go. And they saw this stairway going up into the sky, you know, like a stairway to heaven, and he started going up these stairs and then he heard a voice behind him shout look, there's george, grab him. Well, there's randy, grab him. And and uh, so he felt this pull on his collar and then he went into back into the coma and he was completely unconscious. It just seems weird that that would happen in the spirit world, I know.

Speaker 1: 29:04

There he is.

Speaker 3: 29:05

We lost him, that's so wild, that's so amazing.

Speaker 2: 29:09

I know there were a few stories that I had read and I thought it was so interesting talking about and most of them, I think, were in the hospital and they were, you know, flatlining or whatever the case was at the time, and they were trying, you know, flatlining or whatever the case was at the time, and they were trying to look at something, like they were up on the ceiling and they wanted a closer look, and they said that they felt like they vibrated and changed their frequency and then they were like right on top of it and were able to see things clearly. And there were a few stories like that and I thought that was super interesting because we've talked to a few people talking about, um, even like time travel. They think that, you know, if we ever were able to do something like that, it would have to be in the mind and it would have to do with changing your frequency. So I thought that was super interesting yeah, that's that's.

Speaker 1: 29:58

That's the weird thing, isn't it? It's the first chapter. The lady who's on that, that bed and, uh, she dies while she's in this procedure in the hospital and they're putting the dye into her spine to see where the dye leaks out of her spine because of this injury, but they tip the table the wrong way and the dye goes into her brain and kills her yeah and when she's up at the ceiling, she sees this box they quickly set up and it's it's measuring her heart rate, I think, and it's flat lined.

Speaker 1: 30:28

Yeah, she wanted to look at it and then suddenly she said it's like she's that close to it and she could see it in perfect detail. And when she had enough information, then suddenly she was back on the ceiling again. Yeah, and there's. There's a couple like that in the book, isn't there?

Speaker 2: 30:40

yeah, yeah, I thought it was just like. I just was like whoa, you know, because we had heard and talked about this multiple times about vi, you know, vibrating and changing your frequency and being able to travel from you know different dimensions and different time, and for that to happen in like an nde, an afterlife type space. I mean it just verified, like what everybody's already guessing as to what could happen.

Speaker 1: 31:08

Yeah, it's the Hungarian guy that talks about that. And when he was in the hospital and he went into the hospital the nurse's room next door to the ward and there was a nurse taking all those bits out of the cupboard and putting them on the trolley, and she dropped one that went under the cabinet and he wanted to get a look at it and it's that again, there's that thing. He suddenly it's four inches away from him.

Speaker 2: 31:29

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 31:29

And he memorized the serial number on there and what was written on it and later he told the doctor about the serial number and everything and that he was completely correct about this thing that was under a cabinet in a room that he's supposedly never been in right.

Speaker 2: 31:42

Yeah, the doctor went and checked underneath and found it.

Speaker 3: 31:45

Yeah, isn't that crazy yeah, and it kind of makes me think about. You know, we talk about skeptics and, granted our audience or there are plenty of them, as I'm sure probably with your audience as well and I think that I'm kind of a bit more on the skeptic side for a lot of different things, and you know, you kind of mentioned that you're sort of in the same boat. But what do you hope that skeptics get out of this book? Because I I think what eventually happens, especially when you study the paranormal in any way, shape or form, you start to notice that your proficiencies for reality start to dwindle down a little bit, because it just there's a lot of stuff that just becomes ultra questionable. But, um, you know, for those of us who are a little bit more skeptical, what do you kind of hope they they get out of this?

Speaker 1: 32:39

well, it's a might be a path forwards, a step forwards on a physical sorry, on a spiritual path, if they're interested in it. It's uh, it's good to be skeptical and but I'll still be open-minded and not just completely shut down anything. You know, it's like um in the first story in the book, the woman's telling the neurosurgeon about what happened, you know, after she's woken up from her near-death experience and he's standing next to her and he she said he clenched his fists and he clenched his teeth and he goes I'm not going to stand here and listen to any more of this. And he stormed out of the room. And you know that's a real closed-minded skeptic kind of thing yeah, but but it's.

Speaker 1: 33:22

It's got so many different bits of verification in here. People couldn't possibly have known these things under any normal circumstances and there is a skeptical point of view to say, well, if they were in the operating theater watching what happened while they were being resuscitated, maybe they did have some kind of consciousness, and that's how come they knew what happened. But you know, there's one of the guys who points out that man's socks in the apartment seven kilometres away. And then I've got people who are down the hallway in the hospital, in the waiting room, who know what happened in that waiting room. Or they know what happened on the other side of town and there's a guy, he's, uh, in hospital after this car crash and his mum calls his uncle and his uncle was driving his car on the way to california taking his family on holiday and he said to the family we've got to turn around and go back because malcolm's in the hospital and his kids in the back were saying, oh, we don't care about Malcolm, let's go to California and it's like.

Speaker 1: 34:27

But Malcolm was able to talk to them later and describe everything that happened in the car. You know that was miles away on a highway and they, they. They just couldn't explain how did he know that? And he said that he could be in both places at once. He could be with his mom while she was on the phone and he could be in the car and he could hear their thoughts as well as what they were saying, and it's that kind of spiritual connection that we were talking about and things that near-death experiences say that you just can't describe actually what their experience is because it's so different to what we experience right, yeah, that's, that's splitting.

Speaker 2: 35:05

Just I cannot figure it out, like how they're able to, and I think when we talked about the shared death experience, it was kind of like that like you felt like I think the other person that he had the shared death experience with was able to be in two places at once the woman that had passed or was in the coma was able to be with one other person and him at the same time, and two people were having a shared death experience at the same time with the woman.

Speaker 2: 35:36

But they weren't all together in three, they were like separated, and that just kind of blew my mind how that could even happen.

Speaker 3: 35:44

Yeah, and you get a lot of this too. Again, skeptics there have been several times in my life and I know other stories exist and I'm sure, Simon, you've had plenty of these and you've probably talked to a lot of people that have had them. Where, you know, there's always that old age story about the mother was in another city. She, her hand was hurting. She picked up the phone, called her daughter, found out that she had burnt her hand on a stove. There's that sort of connection, right, the connection. And then even for myself honestly I think this just happened this week I told Nicole, I said, hey, your phone's ringing, and she said no, it's not. And then it started ringing. Had never hadn't rung yet. Yeah, that was kind of weird, it was a little bit spooky. I can't explain that, but it's like being able to get that frequency and that, that vibration, maybe ahead of time. So you know, there's always some of that that exists, even on our plane right now where we're at.

Speaker 2: 36:38

So it's just Just amplified, right.

Speaker 3: 36:41

It's just amplified. So, Simon, with the, with the doctors and with the health care professionals, again I I don't knock anything that they say, but they've always got to be on a very scientific kind of.

Speaker 2: 37:00

Yeah, but you would think they'd be the ones experiencing this. Well, sure, most like hearing the most about it because they're right there when these patients wake up and I'm curious to how many actually do, but just don't say anything about it, yeah because it's on a kind of a career path they don't want to go down, but um, what do you?

Speaker 3: 37:14

have you spoken to them? Have they been part of any of your research? And kind of like, what are they saying about it?

Speaker 1: 37:22

Well, I haven't talked to any real skeptics and I've talked to doctors who have experienced something and it's completely changed their point of view. In the book there's Jeff Olson and Jeff O'Driscoll. Jeff Olson was in this terrible car crash and it was his fault, he thinks, and his wife and one of his children died in the crash. And when he got to hospital he's in the trauma unit and he saw her spirit come to him and tell him not to worry and say something like everything is as it should be. But at the same time Jeff O'Driscoll, the doctor and one of the nurses they saw her as well.

Speaker 1: 38:06

So that's kind of like a shared death experience yeah a verification that she was there and she communicated with Dr O'Driscoll as well. So you know that that changed their viewpoint. Dr edmund alexander was a complete materialist until he had his near-death experience. And there's dr penny sartori, but she was a nurse. I think it was 17 years. She worked in the icu before she moved on and now she's a doctor and she saw all sorts of things and people would tell her about near-death experiences because she had just resuscitated them, and so that's how she got into it and I don't think she particularly had an interest at the time.

Speaker 1: 38:49

And I remember she said that her first night as working as a nurse she worked in a hospice and she was arrived there and they have a briefing before they start the shift and the lady in charge was saying a patient in room 17 is talking to people that aren't there, so we expect them to pass away in the next couple of days. And penny sartori was like, ah, they're playing a trick, I'm the new girl, girl, it's play a prank on the new girl. But she went in there and there was this person having a conversation with somebody who wasn't there and it was the, you know, deathbed vision which so many people have, yeah, and so many hospice nurses see. But I think you know the point about having doctors who are very sceptical. I think it's the nurses that see most of this stuff, because they're the ones that are really there most of the time looking after the patients and the doctors will only come in when they're needed.

Speaker 1: 39:48

That makes perfect sense.

Speaker 3: 39:50

Yeah, and I think there are a couple of good books out written by hospice nurses talking about all their sorts of experiences they've seen. Yeah, I mean, you see those on. You know, if you're doing a doom scroll on one of the social sites, you always see and there's a very, very popular nurse that's on those where they know, as a hospice nurse, that as they're on their deathbed you see people reaching up. There's a very well-known document, documented phenomenon that happens when you know someone's about to pass, because they're sort of reaching out and seeing something. And it's one of those where it's just, it's a consistency. You see it a lot and you know. Of course people can write that off, as you know, neurons firing or whatever you want to say, but Well, that's a scientific explanation, right yeah.

Speaker 3: 40:38

But if that many people are having it, I don't know it's, I don't know. I do believe in Occam's razor, but I also believe that there's a lot more kind of involved with that and kind of with that. What have you found? Are some of the similarities that are a bit more astounding? Now again, we kind of talked about each one of them's got to have somewhat of a completely individualized experience, but there's got to be some similarities similar to like what I just talked about. Is that kind of something that you found a little bit?

Speaker 1: 41:12

yeah, with near-death experiences, there seems to be a place that you might call an idealized version of earth, and I think three or four other people in the book talk about going to this incredible building that is so big and looks so amazing. It's got big greek roman columns at the front and huge stairs leading up to it and it's like a university and there's all these people coming and going and all these different people in the book are saying they go up the stairs and they enter and there's bookshelves up to the ceiling and all these people at tables examining and reading stuff, and so that's the consistency that's shown up. The people seem to be describing the same building. And there's the life review, which shows up a lot in the book, where people see their whole life all over again, but they experience it from other people's point of view. They feel the emotions and it can be a very harrowing experience for some people, but that's a real learning experience and I think that's one of the things that really changes people who have a near death experience, because they come back and they treat people differently and they realize the slightest little thing has such a ripple effect and goes out and can affect so much, because there's a guy in the book, um, george ritchie, and his experience was 1941, I think or 42, and he was uh at a camp in training before he was going to fight in europe and he was in the army and he had terrible pneumonia and he had this uh, near-death experience and he met this incredible spiritual being which he interpreted as being jesus.

Speaker 1: 42:56

And jesus will ask him these questions and one of them is what have you achieved in life? And he was just a young man, you know, and he thought, um, oh, I was eagle scout and he's quite proud of himself. But then this, the spiritual being of Jesus, said to him no, what have you achieved? And it was. Then he realized it was about who have you loved and how much have you loved them and how many times have you done anything to be kind to people. And that's what it was all about.

Speaker 1: 43:27

And it's not about some massive achievement you've done to help people. It could just be the slightest little thing where you make somebody feel a bit happier, and that's what's important. Somebody feel a bit happier, and that that's what's important. And I see that showing up in different near-death experiences, the idea you know of it's all about caring for other people, and there was one guy he was asked three questions about like could you look a fellow human in the eye and say you've been a good man? And he had to answer answer no. And there were three questions like that and he had to answer no to all three of them, and that was a real shock for him, really pointed out to him how he'd been living his life and how much he needed to change. And so he had a weird life review as well, and people get these life reviews and they seem to manifest in all sorts of different ways, but basically it's the same experience.

Speaker 2: 44:25

So, yeah, I read a few of those and and I I think there was one and it was a woman I cannot remember her name talked about I don't think they were going to send her back, but she's like no, I need to go back. And they're like how are you going to behave and what is your life's purpose going to be? And she had to come up with that and that was her way back.

Speaker 3: 44:52

Basically, she had to be different and do something different to get back, that's wild. Yeah, first of all, when you said the building with a lot of columns, for some reason I thought I've led zeppelin houses of the holy, but uh, which may I just like that there's books there's like a library.

Speaker 2: 45:07

That would make me happy yeah.

Speaker 3: 45:08

So those of you who don't read and just want to look at ipads, this is what you got coming in, um, but no, it's. That's so fascinating. And what's interesting is that I've actually seen some of this. Like we've had movies where they've kind of touched on this a little bit. I think one was like I know Albert Brooks was in it with Meryl Streep and it was called like Defending your Life or something like that. Yeah, and this has somewhat been explored before. So that's interesting, that there's that continuity, and it is one of those?

Speaker 1: 45:42

yeah, there's. There's a david niven film called a matter of life and death. Have you?

Speaker 3: 45:45

seen that one I know about.

Speaker 1: 45:47

I have not seen it, but yes, I do absolutely know about that movie yeah, when he was a pilot in the second world war, and he gets shot down and the spirit world missed him, and so he carries on living, and then they send this 17th century Frenchman who's quite a dandy to go and collect him. The pilot's saying, no, I don't want to go. And eventually it ends up in kind of some kind of spiritual courtroom where he has to have a lawyer defending him and then the prosecution's trying to make it that no, you've got to come to heaven, I don't want to go to heaven yet.

Speaker 3: 46:19

That's true, that's cool. It's so interesting. You know you see these things and you always go well, you know it's just fanciful thinking and you know, by and large, a lot of it is.

Speaker 2: 46:45

But then you get it down to some of these experiences and you're like OK, some of these people that have written this stuff. You've got to wonder what did they know that we didn't at that time? You know, yeah, well, this has been happening forever. It's just I think we've, you know, yeah, basically buried our head in the sand and worry about working our job and you know, get all I don't know yeah, I mean there's a lot of it out there, I do I think that we We've walked away from the spiritual path Right Basically.

Speaker 3: 47:02

Right, yeah, and we spoke with a guy I don't know if you know familiar with him, but his name is Peter Panagore and he had kind of told us a few of the of the things that he'd been.

Speaker 2: 47:12

He died what three times and had indies every single time yeah, it's pretty fast now.

Speaker 3: 47:19

Have you had a chance to speak with him?

Speaker 1: 47:21

I have yeah, yeah and um, it was a while ago and sometimes people ask me about episode here, episode there, and I'm like, oh man, I've done 800, I'm not sure I can remember exactly.

Speaker 3: 47:32

That's hard to remember, yeah we're getting to that point too, where we're. We're like sure, I remember talking about that.

Speaker 2: 47:39

Yeah, he actually spoke about being shown his life and having to feel like the bad things that he did to other people or how he hurt someone, and he said it felt like it was like over 100,000 times harder on him than what he actually did to the person times harder on him than what he?

Speaker 2: 47:58

actually did to the person and he interpreted it as like maybe that's what hell is in the Bible, is that you're having to feel the pain that you inflicted on someone else. And that's actually the interpretation. And I just remember that part of the interview because it, like, really affected me. I'm like that's. I mean, that makes sense.

Speaker 3: 48:19

yeah yeah, that shows up in the life review a lot yeah yeah well, you know kind of, I guess sort of in closing there's there's so much that we could probably delve into number one. We don't want to give everything away because no, we want people to read the book.

Speaker 3: 48:38

I think that this is one of those where you know it's just going to really get to people to understand that you know we're all headed here, we're all going to pass at some point, you know, like it or not, and some of us have done it already and have come back from it. So you know it's. I think it's more one of those informational things, if you get anything out of it. You know, kind of like what you said. I mean, we're talking about people that have been through this amazing experience and have, you know, this cathartic thing that they've had happen to them, and they're telling people you especially that hey, you know, don't be such a cheesehead. You know there's, there's a lot of things happening where you know at the end it's going to matter. You know that it it's going to matter and you need to need to realize that there's no need for some of this craziness.

Speaker 2: 49:29

So yeah, and thank you for putting all these together into a book, because I I think collecting these and putting them in one source for people to just read I think gets it out there much easier than, like you said, doing 800 podcasts. People may not get through all of those, but this kind of you know brings it all together and people can just read it and they can reread it and they can share it, and I think that's really great that you did that yeah.

Speaker 1: 49:54

I'm hoping it's kind of like a book that's full of really dramatic short stories and you get drawn into them.

Speaker 2: 50:00

Yeah, absolutely they are. And I can speak to that because I would just be like wow, and I'd have to pause after every one before I moved on to the next one and kind of just process it because it is, it's just massive yeah.

Speaker 1: 50:14

Can I ask you about your experience? Sure, when you're talking about a void yeah, I'm absolutely comfortable with that and would you say you were conscious and you felt you were in a void, or are you saying that it's like when you're asleep and you have no consciousness?

Speaker 3: 50:30

So what it was like for me was so you have the symptoms of the brain bleed where you know half of my arm wasn't working right and you know the physicality part of it. So when I sat down outside, I had my back up against a stupid I shouldn't have thought that but I had my back up against a brick wall. Well, when, when the light shut off, I fell backwards and my head went completely down. Every brick completely scratched my head and I got a concussion. What I can tell you is from the moment that the light turned out and from the moment that the paramedic was looking at me and hearing my boss's voice. And well, there he is, because they saw me come back, they witnessed it.

Speaker 3: 51:25

There was like a piece of the VCR tape that went black. I was there, but not. It was just a complete void of everything. I couldn't sense anything, I couldn't. I thought it was like a part of non-existence, but yet I knew it was there. It's the weirdest thing, like I. I know I was in this place. I know that it was complete void of everything light, thought, smell, everything but yet I knew I was there. I don't know how long I was there, I don't know, I've always thought I just didn't exist for a few minutes. But yet to know that there was darkness, I had to have something. You know, I had to have known that because there wasn't like lights out, lights on. There was a very tangible part there where it just went black and then I came to. That's the part I have a very hard time rationalizing. Is that? What was that? What was that black? Was it? My brain is still working, but none of my senses were working? Was it that? I don't know?

Speaker 1: 52:47

I honestly I don't have an explanation for it yeah, and I hear this in near-death experiences that void and um, it's like there's a lady in the book who's in the void. She says it's for an eternity and she doesn't have any, uh, concept that she had a life and she's just kind of existing. Yes, and it's. She starts, then starts to come out of it and thinks about, well, what happens next? And when she thought that, she thought, thought, oh, hang on, there's a thing called time, where things happen one after another, and that's when she starts coming back from it.

Speaker 3: 53:28

But it sounds just like the void that you're talking about and I believe and I know that because I was found a little bit after the incident I'm pretty certain I died. I can't explain that to anybody, but I know I died. I don't know how long it was. Maybe it was instantaneous, maybe it was a reboot. I don't know what happened, but in my heart of hearts I feel like I died. But it was a very it's a very tight window, at least that's what I think. I have no idea.

Speaker 3: 54:00

You know that consciousness, but when it happened and when I came to we're talking about um, because there's tape behind it, there's people reacting maybe 10 minutes between the initial incident and when you actually see the paramedics doing stuff with me. I don't know how long it was in between that time. To me it was very, very fast, but yet I can't tell you anything that happened between that time and when the paramedics came, because I didn't see anything. I wasn't conscious until I already had an IV in me. I was on the stretcher and my boss is at one side and the paramedics at another side and I'm there, literally about to put me in the ambulance.

Speaker 2: 54:46

Now, when he called me, when his boss called me, he said his eyes are open but he's not talking. He doesn't seem to know what we're saying to him. Like he's not because they had to call me to ask questions about what he was allergic to and all these other things, Because he was just not like aware at the time. It's like the lights were on, but nothing.

Speaker 3: 55:09

Nothing was happening. I don't think I was there.

Speaker 1: 55:12

Have you ever had any dreams about it?

Speaker 3: 55:17

See, that's the part that gets tricky, because while I was healing they put me on so many frickin medications that I feel like it diluted some of that experience. But I would wake up and you can ask her. In a flat out panic, in like two or three o'clock in the morning, something scared me. You're talking to a guy who's I've been in combat, I'm a veteran, I'm not saying nothing scares me because it does, but I usually don't rattle that bad.

Speaker 2: 55:48

I just think he knows he died because he it kind of gave him an anxiety disorder after this. He got scared to go to sleep at night, like he's afraid to just be alone, and that went on for a long time, almost two years, yeah. So I think he did die, even if it was like a split second, yeah.

Speaker 3: 56:08

So, to answer your question, I think the answer is yes, but I can't give you much more than that because it's something that unfortunately put me on medication and I was on Keppra and all this other stuff and I know my brain was healing because it had a significant injury. But I know I had nightmares because I would wake up in a flat-out panic and there would have really not been a reason for that. I was sleeping, so it's not like I was like my senses were saying, oh my gosh, you're about to die. No, I was asleep and then bang, I'd wake up in a flat out panic, completely sweating in just absolute terror, filled anxiety. So my answer is probably yes, I just wish I had more to that. You know, I feel like I do honestly feel there's a block in there somewhere, like I've got, like I've almost got this thing that could potentially be very important. That happened to me, but I'll never get to know because, well, maybe well, yeah maybe you need to do a past life regression it

Speaker 1: 57:18

does interest me.

Speaker 2: 57:20

I think, it would be beneficial.

Speaker 3: 57:22

It interests me for sure, but yeah, I just I don't know Again, I'm almost 100%. I died. How fast it was, how long it was, I don't know, but it's that complete void. That's the part that's hard to rationalize, because you can't as much as I try to explain it, I can never tell anybody what exactly that was like. It was the absolute non-existence of everything but my consciousness.

Speaker 1: 58:07

That's the. That's something near-death experiencers say is that they can't really describe it because it's so beyond and, uh, the word is ineffable, isn't it?

Speaker 3: 58:13

you just can't say what it was like no, and I wish I could because it I know something, but I can't give people a good enough explanation because I don't think anything like that exists on this plane. You know everybody says well, you go into a dark room. No, no, no, you know you're in a dark room.

Speaker 2: 58:36

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 58:36

You know, or you're in a very tight dark space. You still know you're in a dark room. Yeah, you know. Or you're in a very tight dark space. You still know you're there.

Speaker 2: 58:41

Who was it that we spoke with, that you were talking about that, and they said they had heard about it before and they explained it as, like, how it may have been at the beginning of time, before there was anything Like how it just, you know, like in the Bible, it just there was nothing.

Speaker 3: 59:00

I think it might've been Peter.

Speaker 2: 59:02

It might've been Peter. Yeah, there was nothing, and then, like you know, everything started to get created, and that's how one person described it, and I thought that kind of makes sense actually, and I got nothing to go against otherwise, because I can't explain it.

Speaker 3: 59:20

But it's just I, it was. It's one of those where I now I'm, I don't, I don't fear death, but I fear. I fear the timing of it. I don't want it to be soon, um, but of course everybody fears that, but, but it's something that I'm still again. That is really the genesis of the show. I started this without her at the beginning and she came on a few episodes in. It is something that I've been reaching for for quite some time now and, yeah, I, just like I said, I'm fairly confident I died. I just don't know how long where I was, what that meant. I obviously didn't see anything, and I wish I think the other part that upsets me is I desperately wish I had gotten that cathartic moment, because I feel like I got through so much of that, and then I don't want to say cheated because I came back, but I feel like there's a part of me that damn it.

Speaker 1: 1:00:22

I want to know what that was. You know?

Speaker 3: 1:00:26

But again, maybe I didn't, Maybe they just said hang on a second, let's shelve them for a minute.

Speaker 2: 1:00:32

Maybe it's like the waiting room.

Speaker 3: 1:00:37

Yeah, maybe before I saw the houses of the holy building, maybe I was like I was in the waiting room and then they're like no, you're good, we're going to send you back. But yeah, I don't know. It is somewhat comforting to hear that other people have had a similar experience to that. Still, it's definitely something that I'm going to, I will probably take with me for the rest of my life, however long that is that it is what has changed me. I can guarantee you that.

Speaker 3: 1:01:07

The man that was the day prior to the man that you see here before you no question I have changed. I have gone from and I was always. I wasn't a rough person, but I was a military person, so I was very direct and very precise in what I'd say and I was very calculated in things. It seems like since that happened, I am much more about the flow, about how things feel. If you know the, I guess the nature of things, the, the organicness of things that are around, how we talk, you know those sort of things are much more important to me than the precision of a particular thing that I want to have done yeah, it's.

Speaker 1: 1:01:57

That's how people get changed with near-death experiences, isn't it? Yeah, it's one day after the next yeah, and the thing is, if you do hypnosis, there's no guarantee what might come up, might nothing, yeah. But uh, there's a guy in this book who had his near-death experience when he was six months old, and it was 15 years later. He started having dreams about it and he talked to his mom about it and she confirmed what he was seeing in his dreams was correct. So it may be something that starts to spring up over time.

Speaker 3: 1:02:29

Yeah I mean, honestly, I as as probably as maybe unnerving, maybe that it might be I feel like. I feel like I'd like to know. You know I got to go through the experience. At least show me, show me what you wanted, you know, show me what it was for. I definitely think it was a way of telling me to hit the brakes because things were coming at me at light speed before that happened, and I, I know that you know. Of course the doctors say, well, it was not stress induced. Well, I think that's a load Because it was.

Speaker 3: 1:03:02

I was going through was a very stressful time at that point and I think the physicality broke down and that's where I got the brain bleed. But I don't think, I don't even think about that part, because I didn't know before it happened, I didn't feel anything before it happened. So if I were to have a brain bleed right now, I'd have no idea. You just don't know until you just you know. But it's not that part, necessarily that that that I have fear of, it's the almost the not knowing what that void was, having to go, go back and hope. To God I don't get stuck in that, because that's the part I fear the most the absence of everything except my consciousness.

Speaker 1: 1:03:51

One of the things about near-death experiences. It seems that the experience the person has is exactly what they need, that the experience the person has is exactly what they need. Maybe that's what they thought you needed to give you the change that they hoped you'd have. Maybe.

Speaker 3: 1:04:05

I mean, that's very, very possible.

Speaker 2: 1:04:09

Well, I don't know if you remember this, but after it happened, I remember he said to me I know what happens when we die. And I was like what are you talking about? Because from my perspective, he didn't die at all, like he just passed out, right? I mean that's the way the doctors all explained it, and everybody I mean all of his colleagues and everything and he's like well, there's nothing, there's nothing. This and. I think that's why you're terrified, because you still think that that's interesting.

Speaker 3: 1:04:37

I don't remember asking. Well, you don't remember a. You're telling me that.

Speaker 2: 1:04:39

Well, you don't remember a lot from right after that. But yeah, that's what he said to me there's nothing.

Speaker 1: 1:04:46

Yeah, I hear that. It's reminding me of times people have kind of called out and something's happened. Some light has come to them, something moves on from that space, and two or three people in the book even, I think I've said when they get to that void, they, they get very scared because they think is this, it is this eternity? Yes, but they did move on, so maybe you did and they didn't let you remember.

Speaker 3: 1:05:19

Maybe I wish they would have, though, because it would actually give me some comfort, because that is exactly right. I know I'm going to die, or?

Speaker 2: 1:05:28

maybe you weren't out long enough for you to have that. I don't know, I mean if you went right back, I mean Tough to say it might be a nudge.

Speaker 1: 1:05:37

I wonder if there are things that happen to us that are nudging us along our spiritual path or on some kind of a path, like when I saw the UFO I saw really close up. I wondered if it showed itself to me on purpose to give me a nudge to make me move further down. And the plan was 10, 20, 20 years later be writing a book and doing a podcast getting the information out there. Yeah, I agree maybe it's it's uh given to you to be a path.

Speaker 1: 1:06:08

Yeah that your spiritual path and they wanted you to do the podcast, and so they're giving you things that push you to it.

Speaker 3: 1:06:14

That's very true because, this was all his idea.

Speaker 2: 1:06:17

I didn't really want to be a part of it um in the beginning and, yeah, he was just like. He was determined he was going to do this.

Speaker 3: 1:06:25

Yeah, and before that work was important. Everything that I was doing at work was important. You know, how much money am I making? Am I advancing enough? Am I whatever you want to put in that narrative that most people have when they work? You know? Well, I would assume I don't know. But you know everything's work related and that is in a corporate world, right yeah that's the most important thing.

Speaker 3: 1:06:51

After that event, I could give a shit about any of it. I could care less, and it not that I. I give it its due diligence because it is my job. Okay, I know that I give it the amount of attention it requires, but nothing more, not a second more of my time while I give it. And that changed 100% because I know that when and if that happens again and that void comes to me, none of that matters ever. None of it's going to. None of it means anything. Now, it's just a way to make money and survivability, but in the long run, in the long scheme of things, it doesn't mean a thing. That's what it gave me.

Speaker 3: 1:07:41

It's getting down to what's really important?

Speaker 3: 1:07:44

yep, absolutely. Yeah, I appreciate you asking me. Sometimes it helps to talk it out because, uh, it was one of those where, well, obviously, it had such a such a monumental impact of my life that not only did work completely change its validity to me, but it's, you're right, it helped me start the show. It helped me start to go down a path of.

Speaker 3: 1:08:11

We all know what we see here in the real world well, real world but I can touch this desk. I know this microphone's in front of me and all those sorts of things. But I also know, and I can feel, that there is a very temporal value to that. It's not forever, it's as in flux as it's ever going to be. I know that that desk at some point will deteriorate and go away. Everything has a cycle. I just now know that I also have a cycle. Now I'm going to go away too, and the stuff that I used to think mattered till no end matters nothing to me anymore. I shouldn't say nothing, but it doesn't. I don't give it the same value set that I used to.

Speaker 1: 1:08:58

Yeah, Nobody lies on their deathbed and says I wish I'd spent more time in the office.

Speaker 3: 1:09:03

Right, exactly, I should have finished that spreadsheet, never going to happen to me ever again. So you're right.

Speaker 2: 1:09:11

I mean, there's a very Seems like all the lessons are the same. Yeah, with these NDEs.

Speaker 3: 1:09:16

Yeah, and I've always been, do I? I don't know if I classify it as an nde, but then I do because I feel that's what happened. Well, it changed you. Yeah, it did change me 100, but that's the thing is I don't have anything. You know, I didn't see any. You know, didn't see any album covers, I didn't see any.

Speaker 2: 1:09:36

You know, really cool stuff no, but maybe you didn't need all that no you're right, maybe I didn't.

Speaker 3: 1:09:41

And, simon, you're right, maybe that was. That was the point, the nudge I needed, because I, we are doing the show and when this is something that we're doing, so it's it's got to be important enough that a lot of things have come kind of fallen into place too. Um, you know, mean, it's still a grind. Having a show and having a podcast is a grind, no question about it. You know that. You know it's not like everybody says oh, I'm just going to start a podcast and you get to like episode 20 and you're like, oh gosh, it's really work. So you know you're putting a lot of time into it, but a lot of things have sort of sussed out a little bit more than I would have expected.

Speaker 3: 1:10:20

We've gotten some amazing people like yourself that we've spoken to. You know a lot of things have really fallen into place. That I'm. It tells me that, whether or not I ever, we ever, make, you know, a large amount of money from this. It'd be nice, it'd be nice to break even on some of this stuff, but that's not really the end goal and it has. It's had a pretty profound impact on me and, I think, for Nicole too.

Speaker 2: 1:10:49

Yeah, absolutely, we're both very different.

Speaker 3: 1:10:52

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:10:53

Since we started this.

Speaker 1: 1:10:54

Absolutely yeah. It's an education in a way, isn't?

Speaker 2: 1:10:58

it.

Speaker 1: 1:10:59

Oh, for sure that you can't go to school for. Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 1:11:00

Yeah, it's an education in a way, isn't it? Oh for sure that you can't go to school for no, it's by talking to other people and just learning. I mean, I've learned so much from everybody we've spoken to. Yeah, and they always say well, why the paranormal?

Speaker 3: 1:11:12

Because we could have had a conversation about NDEs and all those sort of things and taken a totally different approach to our show. But I chose the paranormal for one very important reason not just the fact that we enjoy it, but because no matter what walk of life you are, no matter what uh, what your social, you know background is, what kind of monetary portfolio you have, or who you, who you worship, everybody faces the paranormal in some way, shape or form. It's just a catalyst, that's all it is. It's the glue that all of us kind of stick to, and it doesn't care about any of that other stuff. And that's why I enjoy it, because I don't care about all that other stuff. Yeah, yeah, I should put that on a card, mm, hmm, yeah, I should put that on a card. So I guess really we're going to want to know where to tell our audience to go. So where can they find you, where can they find this book? And kind of, how do they sort of get involved in this?

Speaker 1: 1:12:16

Well, the book's going to be out on March 24th. This well, the book's going to be out on march 24th, although the the kindle can be pre-ordered now and I've got a wide distribution, so it's not just on amazon. I've done the paperback and the e-book and the audio books are recorded. That's all uploaded, so that will be out march 24th and I've it could be in barnes and noble and sorts of places, although if you go to Barnes Noble you probably have to order it. They wouldn't have it on the shelf. But my website is pastliveshypnosiscouk and that's where I use this kind of central hub because it links through to the podcasts as well, and that's our paranormal afterlife and the Alien UFO podcast, which is, yeah, those two and also, like we said, I'm past life regression hypnotherapist.

Speaker 3: 1:13:05

Yeah, absolutely. Again, thank you so much for coming by and what an amazing gift you're giving to people. This is just. I think it's one of those that people need to, like I said, rationalize. It's on the table for us all, so why not read a little bit about it, especially if you're curious.

Speaker 2: 1:13:24

I mean these NDE stories, I mean everywhere, are just fascinating, fascinating stories.

Speaker 3: 1:13:31

Absolutely Well, simon, thanks again. Thank you so much and we look forward to obviously having you back and anything else you put out there. By the way, I am a fan of the ufo podcast. I listen to that quite a bit, so, oh, great, yeah, I'm a little bit of a ufologist at heart, but anyway, thank you so much and, uh, look forward to talking you soon. Yeah, it's been great. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Hey, thanks, simon. Thanks for coming back.

Speaker 2: 1:13:56

Thank you, simon yeah, that's uh.

Speaker 3: 1:13:58

I guess we probably unpacked a little more than I expected, and that's okay. But what did you think?

Speaker 2: 1:14:07

I mean I read the book. So I mean I was excited to speak with him about it because the stories in the book are just so fascinating, yeah, I mean, and I had to, like read one. And so fascinating, yeah, I mean, and I had to like read one and then pause.

Speaker 1: 1:14:20

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:14:21

And then read one and pause and kind of take it all in because I mean it does, it does sound unbelievable that that is even possible.

Speaker 3: 1:14:30

Sure, I mean it's going to be.

Speaker 2: 1:14:32

But how do you, how do you argue that? How do you argue someone's experience, except for calling them a liar?

Speaker 3: 1:14:38

Yeah, that's really the only thing you do.

Speaker 2: 1:14:41

But for especially these people that had these in the hospital and the doctor and nurses are travels to the nurses you know nurse's apartment is able to tell them what's on her husband's socks. Yeah that's crazy and later, which we didn't get to, like the nurse bring, like, brings the socks into and says oh yeah, that's what I saw, like verified with the patient, he traveled and that's what, and I had never heard of it like a traveling one like that before well, yeah, I mean, that was new.

Speaker 3: 1:15:23

First of all, to think you're going to travel. That tells you that you know when, when you hit that kind of an experience and you're at that, I guess, that dimension, that obviously you're not locked into your body anymore.

Speaker 2: 1:15:39

Well, it makes sense. It's just the way we. Yeah, to wrap your head around it and to think about it in that way. You know, to wrap your head around it. It's hard to do that.

Speaker 3: 1:15:50

Yeah, and I think that it would be hard for a lot of people, because you're so grounded in you know this reality now.

Speaker 2: 1:15:57

Well and that's what a lot of people have said in your death experience is like when they get up there and I think it was mark we were talking to when he said that it was like, oh yeah, that was a fake life this is the real life like once you're there, and so we're never going to understand what happens there when we're here. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3: 1:16:15

It's like crisscrossed but there are obviously there are a few that have kind of sort of reached over and touched that plane a little bit. So it's it's very interesting and you know it it's not fearful but it it is sort of one of those things where I think a lot of people might have. It might be difficult for people because you know it's accepting that you're not going to be in this plane forever, you know.

Speaker 2: 1:16:41

Yeah, but I honestly for me and this is just my personal opinion it brings me a lot more comfort.

Speaker 3: 1:16:47

Sure.

Speaker 2: 1:16:47

Especially for the fact of the people that I've lost over the years.

Speaker 1: 1:16:51

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:16:52

Knowing that they're okay for myself. You know, I may not know what's next, necessarily, but I don't know. It brings me comfort. Yeah, and maybe it's okay to not know, especially if there's a room full of books, that really makes me happy. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:17:09

I'm going to lose you there. I'm going to be like honey, we got to go.

Speaker 2: 1:17:12

I love books and you're like no, but I'm reading this.

Speaker 3: 1:17:15

Well, guys, listen, tell us what you think. I think that. I think it's going to be a great book.

Speaker 2: 1:17:21

I think that please check it out.

Speaker 3: 1:17:23

Yeah, check it out.

Speaker 2: 1:17:24

Buy it, even buy it on Kindle, and we'll make sure I put all the you know listings of where we can find it on there. The art on the front of the book is beautiful. Like I think it's just really touching and the stories are just remarkable. It is just, each one is different. Yeah, and touching and just I don't know. There's not really a word to describe.

Speaker 3: 1:17:48

No, because it's about something that doesn't have any explanation. So, yeah, but guys, listen, we had a blast Again. Thanks Simon for coming on, and we've got a lot of stuff coming up. I think there's some some episodes coming up that you guys are really gonna want to be, uh, be ready for tuned in for so like and subscribe at everywhere you can.

Speaker 3: 1:18:09

Uh, make sure you rank us on your podcast, let us know that we're doing good, or whether we need to pick up. You know, pick it up a little bit you want to to be a guest.

Speaker 2: 1:18:17

Please, you know, email us info at gxparanormalcom and we can, you know, speak about it. Yeah and yeah, give us ideas. If there's something that you want to hear about, or want to know about, or want us to find someone to interview, that's right. If we don't know about it, give us your suggestions.

Speaker 3: 1:18:37

For sure. Other than that, guys, we'll see you next week. See you next week, thank you.