Paranormal Paths & Sweet Surprises: An Interview with Investigator Erica Burton

In this special episode of Generation X Paranormal, we sit down with our dear friend Erica Burton—a seasoned paranormal investigator, member of Epic VIP Events, LLC with The Mysterious Mike and Sam, and the creative force behind Little e Cakes. Erica shares her unique approach to investigations, from using cutting-edge tech to embracing the power of divination tools. We dive into her most unforgettable experiences, what it's like working with Epic VIP Events, and how her passion for the paranormal blends perfectly with her other love: baking jaw-dropping custom cakes. It’s an episode full of insight, laughter, and a few things that might just go bump in the night... or in the kitchen.

Transcript

Erica (00:00.11)
I've never really been scared of paranormal or ghosts or anything like that. Growing up, I would go to my grandparents in the summertime. lived in Lexington, Missouri, and they lived in this old, I was like 1920s home. And my grandpa used to always say, you know, there's ghosts here. Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid. You might see them in the mirrors or, you know, I talked to him all the time. And he'd always played off like, I think if there definitely was something there, he didn't want me to get scared.

He made it seem very normal and so yeah, never really was scared. Now there were times where I was there and I'd be sleeping in the living room and I'd hear footsteps and things going on upstairs when there was nobody up there. used to be an apartment and I knew nobody was up there, but I'd hear footsteps. But it never, it never affected me, it never really scared me.

Logan (01:24.91)
Hello everybody, welcome back. This is Generation X Paranormal. I'm Logan. And I'm. So guys, we have a very special guest. I know we say that a lot with a lot of our guests. This is very true this time. She's a, she's a friend of ours. She, well, she's a friend of many, but she's definitely a friend of ours. And she's, uh, she's just so much fun to talk to. Um, just a, a great person, but also a very, very, uh, interesting paranormal investigator.

Hey everyone.

Cool.

Nicole (01:35.01)
This is very true.

Nicole (01:53.336)
Yes, absolutely.

You know, obviously, and we'll talk about it, I'm sure, in the interview, but, you know, there's obviously a lot of paranormal investigators that kind of stick to just a, kind of like the digital realm,

The equipment. Right, the equipment.

And not a lot of them will infuse divination tools and things like that. And some do. I'm not saying they don't, but, but a good portion of them don't. And, gosh, you want to talk about somebody that just kind of knows how to do that with such kind of like seamless ability to go between the two. and that's always been so much fun. And of course we're talking about Erica Burton and, those of you who know her know that she is just an amazing investigator. It's amazing.

Sweet, sweet woman.

Logan (02:38.342)
And she's usually running around with that, you know, that Mike and Sam couple there, with Epic VIP. So we do, but, yeah, you know, I mean, she's just amazing guys and I'm sure you're going to find her just as amazing as we do.

at the VIP event. We love them too. Yes.

Nicole (02:54.616)
Yeah, so let's talk to Yeah, let's talk to you.

Erica. Well, hey Erica, welcome to Generation X Paranormal.

I'm happy to be here. Thanks for having me.

Horse.

It's been a long time coming. We've waiting forever it seems like.

Logan (03:09.41)
He has, yeah. You know, we, Yeah, we've known each other now for, been a while now. I mean, what, a year or so?

Go.

Erica (03:19.107)
It's a and a half or so more.

Yeah, we've done some pretty cool stuff, so it's just like every time we've had Mike and Sam, we'll get into that a little bit later, but we've had some people that we know so well on and I'm like, how is it we've not had Erica on our show yet?

well. Well, I appreciate it. appreciate you having me.

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So before we get into the woo woo paranormal stuff, because you know that's what this show is, I would be remiss and we would be remiss to not talk about another venture that you have. Now I'm gonna bring it up at the top because it deserves it.

Nicole (03:57.44)
It absolutely deserves it.

Your cakes. Holy crap. What got you in? So when I say cakes, guys, those of you who aren't going to watch the episode, this lady's cakes are- It's a word.

It's just like absolutely delicious. It's like a work of art. When I first found out you did it, I went on your website and I looked at all of them. I'm like, my gosh. They don't look like you can even eat them. They're perfect. I have no idea how you do it, by the way. And that's awesome. mean, it's just...

It really is.

Logan (04:27.394)
Yeah.

Logan (04:31.726)
What got you started doing that?

I either. don't either. Well, what got me, I've always kind of been interested. I wouldn't say I was always a baker or always interested in doing stuff in the kitchen, because I really wasn't. But after I had my boys, when I'd say my oldest was turning two, and I'd watch a lot of those TV shows, like the cake baking stuff, it was like really cool. And what they did was really neat. And I wanted to get him a character cake of Blue's Clues. Blue's Clues was his favorite show. And so

I called a cake decorator, like a wedding cake decorator in Independence, Missouri, and explained her what I wanted. She's like, OK, yeah, yeah, I can do that. And what I wanted was just like a, you know, have you seen the cake pans of different characters and they make it looks like the actual like character or whatever the shape and it's all. Yeah. So that's what I was looking for. And so I go and pick it up. And it was a small, like quarter sheet cake.

order sheet cake with an edible image on top. And it was like $50. And I thought, this is not what I asked for. And okay, so I decided, well, I'll just teach myself. So I took a class, they had like a little Wilton buttercream class at one of these little cake stores here in my town and just did a little Wilton buttercream class. And then I just kind of started doing those character cakes in the cake pans.

started off with that and then I just continue to kind of teach myself over the years to do the bigger and the fondant and just all the different things. So it all started with the kids because I wanted to give them a cake for their birthday. But as the years went by, the kids when they decided when they could make their decision on what they wanted, it was ice cream cake or cookie cake. And I'm like, well, that's not what I do.

Erica (06:31.278)
I've made them a cake in a long time.

Guys, we talk about cakes, and for those of you who are gonna watch this, or even if you're listening, we'll put it on our socials and stuff, as long as you're okay with it, but when I say cakes, we're not talking about like, you know, the run of the mill cakes. There was one, we were recently, gosh, guess it hasn't been that recently, but we were at McIntire Villa, what, a months ago, and we were celebrating a friend's birthday. When that cake came out, there was...

like aliens and spacecraft and stuff like that, that were edible. I mean, just blew me away. I'm not gonna lie. It was total jealousy. It was really cool. So I just, I had to start with that because it blows me away the, just the artistic and the thought that goes into that, that you have that is just, I mean, honestly, it's amazing. So.

Amazing

Nicole (07:29.678)
have to ask, how many hours did it take to make that cake?

So everybody always kind of asked me that it takes a lot of hours. Honestly, I always start ahead of time. I'll bake my cakes ahead of time, like a week in advance, and I freeze my cake. So, you you have your baking time and then when I go on the days that I decorate, it's usually on my Fridays or whatever when I'm off. And I can spend literally from 8 a.m. till 5 or 6 p.m. working on a cake, depending on, you know, how much detail is in it and all that stuff.

Yeah, you you've got your baking, you got your icing, and then you've got all the decorations and putting together. So it can take a lot of time. But in all honesty, it's for me that time it's.

It's therapeutic in a way because I get lost in that. It's kind of like art, you know, in or even like what we do with divination or, you know, ghost hunting and or whatever. When you're you're your mind is somewhere else like you can focus on your task and then you can you almost can reach that higher self in the in a way you kind of find yourself. So I've like it's they're very therapeutic.

It shows too, it really does. anyway, well, I had to start with the case because they're just freaking amazing. I'm just going to put it out there.

Nicole (08:54.03)
Yeah, and if you're in the KC area, you need to get an order from her because, I mean, wow.

Yeah, I I were taking a break for a little while. I don't know if you still are, but just just amazing. OK, so.

Hopefully in the next month or so I'll be back at it. I'm finishing up a few things right now and then can focus back on that and take some orders.

Yeah, great. And those of you who can do it. let's let's jump into the the woo woo the fun stuff, So, you know, you've got we'll get into much more detail or some detail later, but what kind of what started it? What made you even get into this? I mean, a lot of people, you know, there's an incident or there's some event.

You're here.

Logan (09:44.974)
or there's been a near-death experience, any of those sort of things. So I'm always curious and we talk about it a lot. What got you to this?

You know, would say I've never, one, I've never really been scared of paranormal or ghosts or anything like that. Growing up, I would go to my grandparents in the summertime. They lived in Lexington, Missouri, and they lived in this old, I was like 1920s home. And my grandpa used to always say, you know, there's ghosts here. Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid. You might see him in the mirrors or, you know, I talked to him all the time. And he'd always played off like, think,

If there definitely was something there, he didn't want me to get scared. So he made it seem very normal. so, yeah, I never really was scared. Now there was times where I was there and I'd be sleeping in the living room and I'd hear footsteps and things going on upstairs when there was nobody up there. It used to be an apartment and I knew nobody was up there, but I'd hear footsteps, but it never, it never affected me. It never really scared me. And then when all the like ghost,

shows started coming out, you know, I got interested in that, started watching that, and me and my mom would watch them together and we always were interested in it. So I was like, I've always wanted to go on a ghost hunt. Like I want to go to a haunted place and, and experience it and see what it's all about. And so her and I went to a ghost hunt here at the Glora. That was my very first one at the Glora Psychiatric Museum. So we went there and

It was kind of a big group, kind of like what we do. It's but it was a little bit bigger. There's a little bit more people, but they split you off and do, you know, different sections or whatever. And prior to that investigation, I went I went and did the tour by myself and I had downloaded a little fun little app, you know, on my phone. They get all this is kind of cool. Like a little hokey, but we'll see. You never know. And I never I didn't have any other equipment at all. This was just me and my little phone app.

Erica (11:49.768)
And as I was walking around touring by myself, I walked downstairs and you guys are familiar with the Glor, what's downstairs. yeah. That morgue area and that little. Yeah, that little rehabilitation room. And then there was a lot of people around just touring it. It was during the day. And I walked down and as soon as I walked the corner to that rehabilitation room. I felt I just felt weird, my calves tightened up. I had this strange feeling.

And I had my app on, had the phone on. And so I just kind of quietly was like, is there anybody in here with me? And the phone read entity present, you know, and I was like, and then it like, the kind of went, the light went on or something happened with the phone. It acted kind of funny. And I was like, okay. And I just had that feeling. was like, I'm getting out of here. And I left, but we came back for the investigation.

When it was free room, I was like, I'm going back down there. So I dragged my mom. like, we need to go back down here. cause there's definitely something I felt it earlier. Well, we were in the morgue at the time and we were standing by that table. I was on one side and there was a couple of other girls on the other side and I had the phone little app going and it said entity present. I was like, something's here. So we were like trying to talk, you know, talk to it and see if we can get some type of communication.

And the girls were like, you need to come over here. This feels really weird. And so I walk around the table, walk behind him, and as soon as I walked behind him, it was like I stepped into a cloud of static electricity. Every hair on my body stood up. I was like. This is the weirdest feeling I ever felt. The phone died completely. It just crashed. I'm dragging my mom in like you. You need to feel this. And she's like, I don't feel anything. I'm like, how do you not feel this like?

every inch, like my hair was standing on end. It was the weirdest feeling I've ever felt. And I knew I stepped into spirit. I knew right then, like.

Erica (13:55.118)
This is something I've never felt before. And so after that, I was like, I'm hooked. I'm hooked. And then from then on, I went to other investigations. then I, of course, I knew Mike and Sam from my dental office because they are my patients. So I've known them for a long time and I knew they were kind of into the same thing. so we just started talking one time. I'm like, well, I'm going to come to your event. And then it just kind of went from there.

Very cool.

Cool. Yeah.

That's awesome. know, and it's interesting because there's always that electrical feeling that you feel when you know you're hooked. You know, when it's got its teeth in you, you're like, okay. And you know, there's always that. Initially, it's scary, which, you know, I think for most of us, I think even some of the most well-known, the most highly touted investigators still get scared. I think that's...

part of it, you kind of have to have it. But you know, when you get that like instant adrenaline rush and you're just like, okay, this is cool. And then then it becomes the thirst for knowledge, then it becomes to like, why? mean, what you didn't get into the theories of all sorts of things. So yeah, it's, it's, it's amazing.

Erica (15:13.486)
It's a snowball effect. Yeah, it's a snowball effect. So yeah, you get, and it's just like with anybody that does anything like skydiving or whatever. think if I were to go skydiving and I get that, that adrenaline rush or that effect, like, gotta do this again. Yeah. Do I want to go skydiving? Not really, but it's kind of that same, right? It's kind of that same, that same effect.

Agreed.

Logan (15:35.374)
The thing about skydiving nobody understands is that when you when you leave the aircraft in your mind, you think that that aircraft is there. And then when it the second you leave, it's gone. Remember, it's it's still flying. So then all of a sudden you're like, there is nothing around me at all. It's a very surreal feeling. So, OK, we know the how it started.

Let's get into, you know, we know Mike and Sam and we'll bring them up because obviously it's kind of how we all met and did everything. You know, obviously they've been on the show. We've talked to them pretty in depth about a lot of different things with, you know, with Sam's past and Mike's past and everything that we've done. have obviously you've you've investigated with a lot of different people, you know, especially the names and all these other things. What is it that you think is kind of that

common thread that all of us seem to have. It's like the walk of life, all the different people that are in this paranormal community, it is true. It goes the entire gamut, but what do you think that one little thread is?

You know, I really think it's the unknown. mean, it's what's on the other side. with a lot of people, like some people like Sam or had the Indies or the near-death experiences, they kind of glimpsed that. they want to go, I don't know necessarily if they want to like continue to try to reach that again. For us that's not had that type of experience. I think it is the unknown.

It is the connection to the other side and, and trying to prove that belief that you can communicate with the other side, you know, trying to get that, trying to get that evidence, trying to get that proof, you know, not necessarily for, put out on YouTube or to put out on it's more for, I think it's more for your spiritual essence in a way that you can.

Erica (17:52.472)
that you know, like that other side is close, you know, if you've lost loved ones or, whatnot that, that, know, some people will have grief for many, many years and come to one of our events and I hand them a pendulum or a dousing rod and they get communication with their loved ones. It's to me that that is, it's more valuable to me to see them communicate with their loved ones than it is them to communicate with spirit in the

in the location we're

I agree.

Yeah, that's absolutely true. And it's always interesting because, and if I take some cues of what you said and some things that I think that both of us kind of believe is that this particular, I don't want to call it a hobby because it's not a hobby. It's a, you know, it is a, it's a quest. It's, it's like a journey for the truth. But what I find interesting is that it has a way of stripping everybody down to it's like their lowest.

common denominator. You know what I mean? It's like if you're in, I've always thought this, so we'll take McIntire Villa for, just for words here. Let's say you're in the basement, you're trying to talk to Jack, right? Anybody who's been there and understands who Jack is. And then you hear it. I could imagine if you had, you know, the richest people, you know, with the highest, you know, I don't know, I guess basically that walk of life, right? And then you have,

Logan (19:25.314)
folks that don't necessarily have those resources, but you get them together and they have that one experience. It has the most uncanny way of stripping all of that and bonding it. It's amazing. it, anyway, I can go on about that. I've always, I've always found that that's an interesting part of what we do is it really will break somebody down to their lowest common denominator.

Well, and bonding.

Nicole (19:50.156)
And my favorite thing is watching someone that doesn't believe in anything, like in an instant just flip to the other side. Like they instantly start believing. That's the most incredible sight to me anyway. I love seeing that.

Yeah, it really is.

Do you find that you, and I don't always kind of dabble with the skeptic and believer and all that, because I think all of us kind of have different variations of that, but do you feel like you kind of come at it more from a

I guess from a skeptical mind frame, more of like, okay, let's first kind of take away the things we know it could be, and then kind of research it from there.

yeah, mean, I'm a skeptic believer as they say. do, I mean, it's gotta be hard evidence for me to say that's Jack's voice or, know, I mean, and we all, you know, we can listen to one recording and each of us hear something completely different. What is it you take, you know, who's right, who's wrong? You know, I mean, in that situation, it's, you know, it's kind of hard to say that's.

Erica (21:02.584)
concrete evidence or whatever. But I've had EVPs or I've had things that are concrete. We all hear the same thing. It's on multiple recordings or whatever. But yeah, I do have a lot of skepticism in it. You have to, because not everything is paranormal, right? Not everything is. Yeah, that shadow is not spirit. mean, that shadow could be you standing by this light over here or.

You know, it's just a trick or play of the eye.

Mm-hmm like pareidolia or something like that. Yeah, and I think that's whenever we investigate together We've been on a few that it I think that kind of we kind of all especially the three of us I think that we were pretty good at that at being able to kind of filter it down to okay Well, I don't think that was a growl. I just think I was hungry or

Well, your mind can run away with you in places like that because the fear, you know, especially will build up and then everything is something. So you got to try to just stay calm, I think is the number one thing to do for sure. And then you'll be able to see that stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. You're going to debunk things more than you prove things. Exactly. You know, in any haunted location, you know, and, know, I've been to some places that have a lot of activity, but I also look at it too, is it, was that me or did I step on this certain, you know, area just right to make this do that? Like I question everything. I question everything.

Logan (22:37.07)
And also the places that we go, I mean, some of them are very nice. very, you you take like, we haven't been, but I know Belvoir Winery is very nice. mean, you've got a lot of places that are very well constructed and they're really good. But then you go to some places that are being held together by paint. And anywhere you walk, you're going to get creeks, you're going to get all these, you know, all these different things. So, yeah, I think you have to be.

Yeah, and unless you are investigating literally by yourself, and there's nobody else around that can, you know, cause other, you know, other issues or whatever cause noises or whatever. Then you can, you know, you're able to find that evidence a little bit easier than.

Yeah, 100%.

So, because yeah, people can contaminate pretty easy.

Carey as they say, right?

Nicole (23:38.254)
you.

And especially is how sensitive some of our equipment is. You know, I know you guys have DR 60s, which, you know, we we'd love to have one someday, but we have our zoom and our zoom. Actually, it's strong and much and we were just at at where we actually more states and we set something up way on the other side of this zoom and I could clearly hear heroes on the other side of the so you've been asked plenty of times. So we set it up on the nurses station. OK.

That thing is...

Logan (24:08.448)
And then the whole group of us went to the entire other side of that hallway and you could hear us clearly. So it's like, you're right, contamination can happen so easily with all our equipment, you know, which kind of pivots into this.

The equipment.

Yeah, you like I mentioned you have dr16 and those people that know what that is No, it's it's kind of the the gold standard for EVP. But you know you have access to Just a great variety of different equipment And most of it has a very technical I guess technical approach to it, you know, whether it's electric voice phenomena whether it's EMF all these different things that we use that we all

I guess have all come to the table to agree that this is a, a presumed measurement of how we can, can all agree that there could be an entity here. But there's something that I think the three of us, and I'm not saying we're not the only ones, cause I know I've worked with a lot. We've worked with a lot of people that do like divination tools, but that's something that I find very interesting that I know your ear, it's very important to you. Um, so let's talk about divination. And I know a lot of our audience.

Probably knows what it is, but I always like to say my mom's listening. So probably need to clear it up for her. What is divination and why do you think it's a total different, because it is, it's a total different way of investigating.

Erica (25:40.46)
Yeah, mean, divination is really tuning into your higher self in a way to communicate with the energy or with the spirit or with your spiritual guides, God, know, whoever you are trying to communicate with. You know, of course, when we're in haunted locations, we want to communicate with spirit in those locations. But like I said, there's times where spirit of loved ones

they're all around us, right? So no matter where you are, whether you're in a haunted location or you're at home or you're in your bed or wherever you're doing your divination, you can call on whoever or whatever you want to come through now. So I feel like it's, it is just kind of connecting with your spiritual self and that higher self to reach, to reach that other side a little bit easier. And I feel like spirit, spirit guides and all that, that energy,

and flow well with the pendulum or with the rods. It just manipulates, manipulates them well to get your yes and no answers or however, you know, what, what you're asking. Now there are people who believe and I do like the skeptic that I am, there is still human element to it, you know, so they call it idiomotor effect where you, you know, I can hold a pendulum and I'm still as possible. And how is it moving?

You know, yeah, in the beginning, I thought, spirits coming up and just doing this and this or, know, but it's it's your energy mixed with that energy. It's just, you know, we have energy all around us. So I think it's the energy that's moving. And yes, there may be slight movement that you don't see. But it's your energy field that's that's working with it. Sure. So they always say, you know, you want to be. You want to be open minded.

You want, you know, you don't want to douse or do any type of pendulum work or anything when you're not well or you're sick because you're not able to get to that subconscious level when you're, when you're at a lower level, you know, when you're sick or whatnot. So, so yeah, I think, you know, it's, it's just kind of the way you, you know, the way you kind of come into yourself and,

Erica (28:07.83)
you kind of focus and you're able to get into that subconscious. conscious, you're focused on the pendulum or you're focused on the rosette, your conscious ability, but your subconscious is the one that's communicate with the other side, spirit guide, whoever you're trying to speak with.

Is that kind of how you feel Nicole?

Yeah, agreed. talking about the not feeling well, your frequency is at a lower state. Is that what you're kind of explaining? Yeah. So it of to be at a higher place in order to do it.

Right. Yeah. Cause you don't, your frequency is low. One, you're not going to get the, the answers you're, you're looking for. And two, you kind of open up yourself to have anything negative kind of come in to as well. If you're, if you're already in a negative state, you're angry, if you're mad, you're sick or whatever you're, you know, feeling sorry for yourself or something. You, you can invite that negativity in 100 % even no matter, even if you do that.

prayer protection or you you protect yourself. That's, you know, that's your number one thing you do before you douse is a protection. But yeah, you just have to, you just have to be careful and just be on that level. Or, know, higher level.

Logan (29:29.934)
with like divination to me, when I'm out there and we're working with, you know, don't rem pods and stuff like that. I'm not saying I'm not connected to it. I am, but I feel like divination is something that requires something of you. It's like, yeah, there's like an intimacy with, what's going on with it. You know, it's not, I guess it's not as, I don't know.

You feel a connection.

Logan (29:59.082)
I love the tools, trust me, we've got, I'm staring at a shelf of God only knows how many hundreds of dollars or more, but there's something about that intimacy, that connection that you're talking about that requires more of you. It requires something that those tools don't necessarily ask you to do. You look at it like a pendulum, and I know the pendulum's one of your favorites, but we recently, not recently,

been a while, but we talked to Dan Baldwin and George Sewell, who did the pendulum with, gosh, I forget her name now. But it was a UFO encounter. So it was an abduction. it's not, doesn't just have to be, you know,

necessary.

no. Yeah. I mean, people have been using, yeah, people have been using pendulums for centuries. mean, mid century, like Egypt, ancient, you know, civilization, they were using these, you know, pendulums, you know, so, you know, reaching out to deities or, you know, finding water, you know, minerals. I mean, in the Vietnam war, I think they use dousing rods to try to mines and things like that. And they're professional dowsers.

out there today that help find missing children or, you know, there's, mean, and that's, and that's another thing people that is not just about communication with spirit or spirit guides. It's about, it's about self self, finding yourself or, you know, working on yourself, know, asking your higher self questions, your higher self knows all the answers knows your future, right? So if you can, you

Erica (31:45.314)
tap into your higher self and start asking your higher self questions. You know, you can get the answers you need. Do I take this job or do I buy this car now or what's a good month for me to, you know, my job or whatever. Like it helps guide you through your life. You know, or you lost your diamond ring in your house. You know, it's in your house. Here's your tool to help you find it. Your higher self knows where that's at. Your dousing rods or your pendulum will help you find it. So it's a tool.

It's a multi-purpose tool, as they say, right? It's the You can use it for everything. Yeah. You can use it for everything.

you know, your car.

have like a special one that you like using more than another one, like a special stone that works better for you or.

Um, you know, I, it just kind of depends. just pick up and honestly, the one that you made, you guys made for me, I carry with me like all it's in my car all the time. So I'm yeah, I drive with this. I hold it as I drive and anyway, yeah, it's, it's with me a lot. Um, I have one on the side of my bed that I'll pick up, you know, you know, at night when I'm kind of shutting down and, you know, just, yeah.

Erica (33:04.302)
That's really cool. you know, there's, there's, yeah, there's multi, I mean, multi-purpose pendulums, right? There's metal pendulums or copper or, or those crystals and the crystals generally are used more for healing and things like that. Like a lot of Ricky masters will use them for chakras and healing and stuff like that. But it's, it's kind of just whatever you're drawn to at the, at the time. And I can't say that. Yeah. I always go to that, you know,

this pendulum or that pendulum, just whatever, whatever I'm drawn to, guess.

Yeah, would. a personal choice at that point probably works for you the best.

or whatever the purpose is.

Logan (33:46.562)
know you're...

Sometimes it's a paper clip on a string because I don't have anything else, right? It still works. If you need that clarity or you need that question or you need that guidance at that time and you don't have one, make one. It's easy or something like this. I can use this. You carry the necklace with the stone on it. I just hold it up and it'll do the same thing.

Yeah, I know you have a favorite set of dowsing rods that you use your

My copper ones. Yeah, I love them. Yeah. We got them from Raven's Eye.

Yep, copper ones are the best ones to use. I did buy some of those. They're like these little pins that you open up. I thought, well, I'm just going to grab some of those just to have out at some of our events or whatever if somebody wants to try it or buy them. But they work, but it's good. Not as good. I don't feel like they swing as well and they don't feel as good in the hands. The copper, there's just that connection in that.

Erica (34:58.414)
that energy that can flow through that copper so much better. It attracts the energy and as they say, you

Yeah, agreed.

We bought some too and I think they're probably good like in a pinch, you know, if you're if you're doing something where you're like, okay, they fit easy in like a backpack, but that's

I was like, want to take my dowsing rods and we go to Ireland, but I'm like, I can't take those on the plane. So I was like, maybe we can get the ones. Yes.

You'd be surprised. Well, I mean, you are traveling overseas. Yeah, it might be a little different, but I have I've traveled with my dancing rods before. They just look at you like what is like.

Nicole (35:34.35)
Have you?

What is going on here?

Don't worry about it. I'm a professional.

Logan (35:46.168)
So you have been to some just amazing places and we've been with you in a few of them, but in the the grand pantheon of haunted places, use grand pantheon. Never thought I'd fit that in.

big guns tonight.

What is the difference? So everybody talks about, okay, this place is extremely active, which we know there's a lot of places that are. And I think that varies from time to time. I don't think it's always a home run. It's always hit or miss. in your experience, what has been the most, I don't wanna say the most haunted, but what one really got you? And then what one did you not expect to get you that got you?

Yeah, I'll have to. So one Waverly Hills. The first time I went there, I just kind of did one of their like nighttime investigations with some of my cousins went and it was really interesting. We got some really interesting things and I was like, I got to come back. And there was quite a few people. So we ended up going a couple of years ago and there was like only 10 of us. So we kind of split off and,

I, we got some very interesting things. Now I didn't, some of the stuff I didn't see until after I got back and was listening or watching my video that I, you know, I heard my name called in the body shoot in my video and I was like, yeah, that's creepy. and nobody, nobody was around. Nobody was there. It was just me and this other, this other guy that was down there and you could hear us whispering and talking. And then you just hear this voice go Erica.

Nicole (37:16.567)
Okay.

Nicole (37:31.202)
Wow.

didn't hear it audibly just later as I, as I, you know, as I was looking through the video. but the, honestly, the place that got me that I didn't think would was, and of course this was kind of after the fact too, after I started listening to the audio, we were at a, on a museum in Omaha and we were in

When you walk in you you think okay really is all of these dolls haunted right? You know and give it I can I can give and take on it objects I believe there are objects that that have energy attached to them sure and I believe in that but I also like not every dolls haunted right right so

I him.

Yeah, they're all creepy. Yeah, you wouldn't like this place because you walk in and it's literally like the whole top level is just like four rows of dolls all the way across. And each doll has a name, each doll has a story and where it came from and all that. And I thought, you know, this is just kind of hokey, you know, it's just kind of a money grab. Fine. I'll just go in and and they don't want you recording or videoing or anything. But we just.

Erica (38:54.03)
stuck the DR-60 in the pocket and just let it go, right? And so we walked around and was trying to, and we had like cat balls and different than like in K2 or whatever. And certain things were like making the cat balls go off or the K2 go off. But you go downstairs and there's an area that's all like demonic or stuff that's, know, exorcism like a.

by the minute.

Erica (39:19.886)
a Bible that was used in exorcism or this or that, everything is a little more on the demonic side. And there was a doll that they had in there. Her name was Claire. And you have to ask permission to go in and see her. She's in a cage tied up in a chair. And it wouldn't say a cage, she's in a glass case tied up in a chair and she's got this little red line on her. And you have to ask permission to go in and talk to her. There's holy water in a, a,

Yikes.

Erica (39:51.437)
Well, no, it's in a hand sanitizer bottle. So everybody thought it was hand sanitizer. They were using it I was like, that's holy water. You know, do this.

That's funny.

And so you go in and yeah. And so we go in and, you know, say hi to her and Sam was with me and she was in there with me. And as I leave, I was like, thanks, Claire. And then we walk out and then Sam comes out. She's like, yeah, I gave her a blessing. Cause some of the dolls around there had like little, little, this is where you can put like money or trinkets or whatever as an offering. She didn't have that. So Sam was like, I put some money on the floor and I gave her a blessing.

And I was like, okay. So the next night when I get home, had, and I really didn't think my thing recorded at all. And I thought, well, it's just going to be all muffled because it was in my pocket. But I started listening. I had like 45 minutes of recording and I started listening and there was certain spots where we hit certain dolls and you could hear voices come through. there was, there was one, there's one little doll that Bridget was her name and

We were at another place that night before and we were getting the name Bridget in through the spirit box. So we were talking about that and I was like, well, hello Bridget. And you hear this smokers like old ladies voice go, hello. With Claire, I, as I was walking out and I said, thanks Claire. You hear a voice say not Claire.

Erica (41:30.254)
And so I am listening more and then Sam comes out and she starts explaining to us what she did about the blessing. And then that same voice came and said, never help the offering.

Erica (41:49.014)
And it was the same voice. Never help you. And so I thought, OK, so the offering is the doll to this entity, whatever it is. And she she did a blessing. She tried to help it. And it said never help the offering to. So I sent it to her and I was like, we caught something here and that that freaked me out a little bit. Sure. So the next morning I wake up and I'm getting ready for.

the my alarm clocks going off for work and my husband's already up and we have a ceiling fan that is usually always on but the light we never use the light. The light is dimming bright dim bright dim bright dim and I'm like what the heck is going on and I just said just turn it off. I just turn it off and it just went dim and stopped. Wow. Until I got up and found the remote or whatever and turned it off. So

I went out and told my husband, I was like, the lights and he's like, you weren't supposed to record. He told you not to record, right? Broke the rules. Yeah. So yeah. And then Sam also had some experiences in her house, kind of the same thing with lights and the TV and the doors opening and stuff. So needless to say, cleanse the, the area and didn't have any more issues. But, but yeah, I was like, that's creepy. You can't, can't do.

That was creepy. that totally threw me because I was like, I came in pretty skeptical. And then after all that, I was like, OK, yeah, maybe there are some haunted objects in there.

Well, she's tough.

Nicole (43:30.252)
to the chair there's gonna be a reason

Right. Yeah. But what's funny is that a couple of the girls that were with us the day before they went into that and did the same tour or whatever. And one of the one of the people that worked there was telling them that they turn the lights off down there in her little cage or whatever. And we'll come in in the morning and the lights will be on. So she or he or whatever it is likes to manipulate.

manipulate lights.

You know, I remember the first time you told me this story, and I'm glad our audience gets a chance to hear it. Yeah. I think one of the other times was when we were at McIntire. And I'm not kidding you, I think the very next thing we did is the three of us and Stephanie, the owner of McIntire, went into the doll room and we're doing a small little. I literally remember when you said that we're walking in there, I'm like, shit, and I got to go in this frickin room.

So uncomfortable.

Logan (44:29.39)
With these dolls. the dolls. Oh my God. And then of course, Stephanie's like, well, you know, that's a shrunken head back there. I'm like, thanks, Stephanie. I appreciate that. Yeah, it me feel so much better. OK, yeah, I mean, that makes sense. I think I think it's the ones that you don't expect. You least expect. that are like, You know, and of course you get the big ones with, you know, the Waverly Hills and the the Glore and different things like that that

You just have a lot of history. You know, there's there's a lot to it. McIntyre, of course, being one of them that, you expect some of this, but it's the stuff that that you clearly don't expect to see anything at all. But now I find that interesting. OK, so. Let's talk about real quick here, because I know we're kind of getting close to getting close to an hour, and I'm sure everybody sure you want to get some cakes being made for for us at some point. Sorry, I mean, a throw.

It's your birthday.

July 5th. I'm just saying. No,

But how do you balance? Because you do so much. You've got a work life. You've got, obviously, you've got family. And you've got this whole other life that you have. sometimes I know I tell Nicole and we both feel like this, it's almost like you live split personalities, right? You've got work Logan. You've got whatever Logan sits in front of TV and watches baseball. And then you've got, you know,

Logan (46:03.256)
paranormal Logan and it's it's interesting because none of them are the same. You know, they're each different people. I'm probably going to need therapy. what is it that you do? How do you manage all that? And what do you what is it that do you find that each one can intrude on the other and make the other better?

worse. Well, I think, you know, first of all, the only way I can, I can do all of this is with the support of my family, you know, the support of my husband and in him letting me run off on weekends and, you know, spin, you know, two or three nights and you know, who knows where and who knows with right, right, like he, he

wouldn't say he lets me, but he, he knows that that fulfills me in a way, right? Like I enjoy doing that. And, I've, you know, I've learned so much and,

I've gained so much from it, you know, and then with my job, you know, I'm lucky I only work Monday through Thursday, I have a really good schedule. And I love my job. It's in it's, you know, caring for people. And I have a great team of people I work with at the office. And so, you know, and I can they they know my quirks, and they know what I do on the weekend. So they're always interested in you know, so there's a little, you know, back and forth there.

You know, and then with the cake business, I, like I said, I kind of just started it off just doing it for the kids. And then it just kind of snowballed like friends make me a cake and then do this. And then I started to get more involved in, and then it just turned into kind of a, you know, side business that was almost every weekend too. So I had to kind of really try to balance that like, okay, I got to get this cake done and deliver all this cake before I go do this investigation. Good thing investigations are in the middle of the night.

Erica (48:01.358)
I gotta figure out where I get my sleep. I gotta figure out when do I sleep? No, but yeah, it is a balance. It is a balance. But I also gain so much from like each of those, you know, with work, it's, you know, I gain, it's just every, it's a little different in each category, you know, helping people.

And I feel like even in the spiritual world or doing the ghost investigations or spiritual retreats and I'm teaching people, I'm working with pendulums, I'm also caring for them in a way too, like I'm helping guide them to new things and learning new things about themselves, about their spirituality. For sure. Yeah.

That makes perfect sense. I've often thought that, and I know there's all kinds of different people that do paranormal investigations for a myriad of different reasons, but I find that a lot of people have that sense of service a little bit. At least the ones that do it long enough and get enjoyment out of it. If they go into it for all the quote unquote long reasons, that doesn't last very long. Usually it's done and over with, but.

Those of us who've kind of started doing this for a longer period of time find that, you know, when it comes to these investigations, you're not really there. They're not really there for you. You're kind of there for them. You're helping them try to finish a story. You're helping them try to, try to find what happened. And most of the time that the folks who have that like natural servitude tend, I think to get a lot from it. You you glean a lot more from.

From certain investigations because you're able to make that connection and want to help. So that's I find that's probably pretty accurate.

Erica (49:54.562)
Yeah, and it's almost, it's like psychiatry, know, psychiatrists, so you're there to listen, right? You're trying to give them a voice, you know, and you're there to listen to what they want to say or their story or if there's something that they need or that they want that they can't do themselves or whatever.

or lost the ability to, know, because they just can't talk to anybody, you know. And I think that's why sometimes, and I know, I think we've all talked about this, the big D word, demonics. You know, I know that there's an existence of that at some particular point in time. Do I think that the majority of it is? Absolutely not. I just think that.

misunderstood.

There's a lot of misunderstanding, so there's a lot of entities and lot of things and a lot of people that are just really unsure what happened to them, number one, and what, how do they get out of this? How do they find, you know, that peace of mind?

mean, that's incredibly frustrating. Like you think you're stuck somewhere for however long and nobody can hear you. That's incredibly frustrating.

Erica (51:06.574)
Yeah. Well, and you know, we don't know what's really happening on the other side and how everything works, right? So, you know, depending on that spirit or what happened in their lifetime and their life prior to their, you know, they were curmudgeon or they're just not a nice person, they may be reliving that life or could be, you know, that energy. It's going to be the same as it was, you know, in their bodily form as it is in their spirit.

People can call it demon. Yeah. It's just a mad spirit. Okay. It's just a mad spirit. I've never come across demon. Um, do I believe it? Sure. I hear my skepticism is going to creep in, but no, everything's a demon. I just think it's, it's lammerized now, you know, as the community of paranormal investigators and paranormal, you know, YouTube videos and all this stuff come up.

It's just glamorized. is. I think it's.

Well, it gets views if it's demonic and scary and yeah.

That's unfortunate because. Like. And I feel sorry for the spirit that's being portrayed that way, because that's not the case. They're just angry. Yeah, I've been to many and I've been to many locations that. I know have no demonic, but yet I'll see a video that says it's demonic. And I'm like, I've never come across it, but.

Nicole (52:19.489)
I

That's right,

Erica (52:42.23)
Now it could be your energy too. So whatever energy you bring into that location and how you set your intentions on, can set your intentions on, you know, I'm only love and light and this is all I'm gonna, this is all I want. But if they come in there and they set their intentions on, you know, bad, evil, demonic, well that might be what you're gonna get. So maybe that's the case. Maybe that's the case. Maybe that's why I haven't seen anything, because I don't come in like that. I come in love and light.

I'm here to communicate, not harm, not hurt. And that's what I get. I get the communication and the good now. I'm sure there's a spirit in there that's just not happy and tells me to leave, get out. Right. Okay. Yeah. Not demonic. I got plenty.

Yeah, I know plenty of people in my, in the living world that tell me to get out. mean, I wouldn't call them demonic per se. No, no. yeah, and I agree. And I think a lot of that has to do with intention. I know when you guys start out, you know, we've all been on a few investigations where Sam will do the singing bowls or you'll do the singing bowls or something like that. I think that's really important to set intention before you go into something like that.

They're the energy, which is, yeah, I love that you guys do that.

Yeah, because I mean, we've noticed it to where we've gone in and just done investigations where we didn't set our intentions first, or we didn't do. And we have a group of people and we literally will get. We get nothing. We're like, what's going on? And I think, you know what? We didn't set our intentions down there. We didn't communicate with spirit that we're here to communicate. We we ask you to come forward because that's always, you know, the number one thing is set your intentions asked to communicate.

Erica (54:29.23)
And then thank them. I'll thank them for their communication. I mean, it's very important. I be nice.

Yeah. Well, you got to think about it. You got all these people coming in constantly asking you the same questions over and over. At some point you're going to be like, I'm tired of talking.

can see myself as an enemy going, yeah, I know you're here just to talk to me. Okay. All right. Yep. There's a rem pod. Boop. You're happy now. All right. I can see myself being that way. Anyway.

And then we get excited because, oh, it went off. Do it again, do it again. They're like, woo.

Honestly, the people that really do know me probably be like check this out. That scared the crap out of them Anyway Erica, what do you guys got come? What can you talk about? Cuz I know that you guys when I say you guys talk about you and you could just be you but you know I know you go a lot of places with Mike and Sam. What do you guys got coming up that you can talk about or you know kind of?

Erica (55:13.902)
You

Erica (55:31.654)
Well, yeah, there's we've got the Salina temple is this weekend coming up and there's actually a kids event and I think there's some tickets left. So we're doing kind of like a day type tour with kids. So, you know, if you have kids that are interested in in that, they bring them there and we'll do a little mini like, you know, ghost hunt and give them a tour of the Salina temple there and the Masonic temple in Salina, Kansas.

And then we have an investigation that night, you know, more adult investigation. And then McIntyre again the weekend after another kids event at McIntyre to on Saturday that Saturday. And then the twenty seventh. Twenty no, the twenty nine Ashmore. And yeah, I think another kids event. It's like kids event is all I think all three of these events will have a kid's deal. So

Which is neat because we've had a lot of our, you know, our regulars like I'm gonna bring my kids. I want to bring my kids, but you know, you have to kind of be careful because it's a liability. know, it's, know, you have to be careful with kids. You know, one, you don't want them to get hurt or don't want them to mess up anything in a location. Some locations just don't even allow kids under a certain age. even to get in, but yeah, but yeah. So,

Yeah, so Sam thought it'd be a great idea to just do some events so the kids can and the parents can come in and show their kids what they like to do. Yeah.

sure and I think too that

Nicole (57:08.686)
Yeah, I love that you guys are doing that because unfortunately kids are on YouTube and Tik Tok and all this other, and they're, they're watching the scary videos, the demonic videos, and they're going to grow up and think that's what they need to do when they go in and investigate. So teaching them the right way.

Yeah, for sure.

And it's also, think, I think it kind of has a little bit of a, of an interesting, I don't know, kick in activity because we went to, we just went to Ashmore and actually it had a group of kids that went through before we all investigated. A few hours before. few hours. And I think that actually probably helped some of that. Cause you know, I would imagine a lot of these have not seen, you know, younger,

people or kids. So I think it does kind of change that up a little bit.

It's the energy that those, yeah, it's the energy that those kids bring in, you know? I mean, they're pure, they have no, I don't know, they don't have no blockage. Like they have nothing to block them. So they're just pure energy and in my opinion, and light. So yeah, the spirit will be attracted to them. as you know, I mean, you always hear like kids see things, hear things like they're the ones that are kind of a little bit more closer to that realm.

Erica (58:29.196)
So I think, yeah, they bring in that energy that can kind of ramp up things. It's even like that, I've had people come to our events that are autistic, or have special needs and they have just that radiant energy that spirit is drawn to. yeah, the communication is crazy with autistic children.

Yeah.

Well, and they don't have that same jaded kind of workaday life that all of us have kind of worn a lot of us down. So, you know, I mean, they have their own struggles and things they have to deal with, it is it's different.

They haven't been told what to believe for years and years and years.

Right, for sure. But Erica, yeah, gosh, thanks for coming on. I honestly think we could probably. Yeah, I wish we could. We could probably talk. Well, we have talked for hours before, But. Just not recorded. Yeah, this time it's on it's on record and anytime I put my foot in my mouth now it's officially there. So yeah, but thank you so much for coming on. You know, I know that we.

Nicole (59:27.294)
Just not recorded.

Logan (59:41.038)
have some stuff that we're going to be doing with you in the not too distant future. looking forward to that for sure. maybe we'll bring some cameras and some stuff to maybe do a little something there. I don't know. We'll see.

Yes.

Erica (59:55.948)
That'll be fun.

Well, thank you so much and look forward to seeing it.

Yep, thank you guys so much. was a lot of fun. I appreciate it. Same here. All right, take care.

Thank so much, Erika.

Nicole (01:00:23.854)
and willing to teach people. mean, that's how I learned how to use my things is from her.

That's right. yeah, the first time I think you did the first time was a pendulum, right? In the glu at the Glore. And then you kind of started breaking into the dowsing gods. Yeah. Yeah. I, in, in I'll be honest with you guys, Nicole's a lot better at the divination tools. think cause she really connects with it. It's very, I think everybody who has a certain divination tool, kind of bond with it. It becomes kind of, and you can talk more about that.

Well, it's just like us though. You are into like new stuff and technology and that type of stuff. I like old stuff. I like history. I always like old buildings. always, even Airbnbs when we go places. I find historic places to stay. I like the old ways in everything. I'm not a big technology person. I love it as far as investigating because it gives us evidence and we're able to actually speak to those that might be there.

This true.

Nicole (01:01:26.414)
but I like the old school techniques of things. And I think they were in a lot of situations, they knew what they were doing and we strayed from that and we're having to all relearn it. So immediately when I learned about this stuff, I had no idea about it. And then when we went to the Glower and she was talking about the pendulum, I'm like, this is interesting, I wanna get into this. So I was like,

Yeah, absolutely true.

Nicole (01:01:52.974)
zoned in on her. She was talking about it at the Glowers. Just like I couldn't. And then, you know, of course we've talked to people since then that use it and I've read a lot of books about it. I started using it and it does work. It's phenomenal.

Yeah, it really is. And, the investigations that we've gone on and you've done that, think some of our best evidence has been from those tools. mean, it's just been, it's been great. anybody, listen guys, if you just do the technical stuff, that's fine. There's not, we're not saying, just, right. it. Absolutely. But remember there is kind of a different way doing it too. So if you ever want to add that to your toolkit, you know,

Do what you connect with.

Logan (01:02:35.662)
Reach out to, to, to Erica or Nicole or somebody that, that at least has some experience with divination tools. Um, you know, and the same goes, is it going to be one of those things, but same goes like Ouija boards, things like that. It's a divination.

And this is something that I still have not used one. I grew up in Missouri. My family is from St. Louis, which is where. Not the movie, but where the real case happened. So growing up, it was like just pounded into my head to never use a Ouija. It's, you know, it's demonic and bad things will come through it. And yes, that could happen.

She did.

Mm-hmm

Logan (01:03:12.076)
It's true.

Nicole (01:03:18.432)
But I think it's just another tool. you're using a pendulum, using, you're doing the same thing. talking to spirit. it doesn't matter what you're using. It's still the same thing. So you can't say a board and a planchette are evil, but all these other things are fine. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. so growing up, it was like, I'm never going to get it. But then 10 feet of one of those things.

much yeah

Logan (01:03:36.276)
the exorcist for that.

Erica (01:03:42.412)
it

Let me bring up, let me bring up a Ouija board or I do. I can't help but think about, first of all, who was it that had the slice of pizza in the pizza box?

My brother did this when we were kids. Him and the neighbor girl that were friends made a Ouija board out of a pizza box with a little planchette, little cardboard planchette. And they got scared because it actually started moving and they ran outside and threw it in the dumpster.

Yeah. But the thing that makes me.

And then my mom made them watch the exercise. My brother to this day is been scarred for life. He won't watch anything scary. He has nothing to do with what I do or what we do. He won't even come within 20 feet of it. So good parenting mom.

Logan (01:04:22.574)
What?

Logan (01:04:37.518)
The part that always cracks me up the most is when we were talking to Eric, Eric Connor from, uh, we believe he's like, please tell me they used a pizza slice as a planchette. I about lost it. But, uh, well anyway, guys, um, yeah, she's a lot of fun. Um, yeah, reach out her.

if you have questions than me because I'm just just now starting with it. I can help you with basics but if you want to know the the in-depth stuff reach out to your

I think she's underselling herself, but there you go. But yeah, she's very approachable guys. you know, if you're...

If you want her cakes, on Facebook, can go to little E cakes.

that's right.

Logan (01:05:23.448)
So it's little and a little e. Yeah. Little e cakes.

Yeah. Go at least go check them out because they are absolutely amazing.

Look at the pictures guys. mean, holy crap.

And you're gonna be like, these aren't real. They are real. And it's not like, you know, sometimes you get those cakes that are like really fancy, but then they taste like cardboard.

Inedible. All of it's edible.

Logan (01:05:43.542)
Yeah, or you got to take off all this stuff.

Yeah, because they've had to, you know, construct this amazing looking cake, but then the ingredients don't taste good. Not, not the case. I mean, it is delicious and it looks amazing.

good, and then when she said, yeah, you can actually eat the UFO. I'm like,

I thought it was like a little toy that she'd put on there. It was that real.

Guys, we're gonna have picture. but when you look at it, you're like, there's no way that's an edible piece of like any it's was shotable. I know. Yeah, so good. It was amazing Well, anyway guys, thank you so much for stopping by and we look forward to talking soon and we'll see you next

Nicole (01:06:14.352)
I think about it often.

Nicole (01:06:26.219)
See you next week.