Carter Buschardt on Sasquatch Evidence, Burial Sites & Infrasound

In this episode of Generation X Paranormal, we sit down with Carter Buschardt, one of the most respected and methodical Sasquatch investigators in the field today.

Carter brings decades of experience in Bigfoot research, with deep dives into habituation sites, suspected Sasquatch burial grounds, infrasound anomalies, and those puzzling stick structures often left in their wake.

As a seasoned outdoorsman and trained field researcher, Carter isn’t interested in blurry photos or tall tales—he focuses on patterns, language cues, and tangible evidence.

Whether you're a Bigfoot believer, a skeptic, or just curious about what might be walking the woods, this conversation might just shift your perspective on Sasquatch encounters forever.

➤ Featuring: in-depth Bigfoot field research, burial theories, vocalizations, and boots-on-the-ground investigation.

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watching through the woods at night. I'm watching with my thermal just looking for any heat signatures I can find anything just so I know they're there and they're okay. And I finally see something coming through the woods. You know, it was just a heat signature and it was here's all the leaves and twigs and trees of brush. I was just seeing bits and pieces but I thought okay, okay they're here. I think this is them. Who else would be out in the woods at 11 o'clock, 12 o'clock at night? So, well, it wasn't that. Well, hey everybody, welcome back. Hey everyone. This is Generation X Paranormal, I'm Logan. And I'm... You know guys, we're just getting pretty much back from break. This is a few episodes in, but one thing that did happen is we got a 3D printer. And if anybody else has gone down this rabbit hole, you'd be surprised at things that you look, that you can maybe print. I mean, I think I've printed, I mean, I've printed... looks for things to- print. Yeah, I mean, it's she'll print. She's like, Hey, you know, I'm thinking about going to store to buy this and why go to the store store? I can print it. Like, yeah, you could really print an apple. know, anyway, like Marc and Tina, for this. It is true, it is who it came from. Anyway, guys, we have a great show. uh Again, we usually kind of cover mostly the ghosts and UFOs and things like that, but of course, we also love cryptids. And uh we just don't do them as much, but when we do, we try to bring you guys something different, something new, and uh we try to bring you a great guest. And today, guys, we have a great guest. Yes, we have Carter Bichard and we actually, met Carter. Yeah, we met him at Missouri Paracong. uh That was great. We're to the first Missouri Paracon. And if you guys haven't bought tickets yet, you need to make it to the second one. There's some good guests there, guys. We just may be there ourselves. Anyway, what can you tell us about Carter? So Carter Bichard has been an investigator with BFRO, which is. I believe it's Bigfoot Research Organization. I could be butchering that and if I'm wrong, I'm sorry, but that's what I believe it is. For the last 13 years, he has had nearly 100 reports published to the BFRO website and has interviewed over 450 witnesses and counting. He is on an experienced outdoorsman and trained as an investigator for MUFON. He has had a longtime special interest in Sasquatch habituation sites, burial research, infrasound language, and stick structures. He's a self-published writer and author. And the four books that he has out right now is Sasquatch Evidence of an Enigma books one through four. He's also the author of Baptized by Abduction, which chronicles his abduction, which we're not going to get to today, but maybe another time. Yeah. Love to talk to him about that. Yeah. I mean, I can't wait to talk to him. We like I said, we met him at a paracon and. And the cast. Yeah, had the foot. Yeah, you had a Bigfoot cast there. The Bigfoot foot cast, man. I'd Bigfoot gas, it's like the whole body there. Sub-Digit foot gas. Oh my gosh, it's hot out here, guys. We're cooked. Listen, let's not waste any time. Let's talk to Carter. Well hey Carter, welcome to Generation X Paranormal. Well, thanks for having me. I just got out of jail this evening, so... That's good because... uh but let's let's this is let's do it By the time this is over, might actually all be headed to jail, who knows? uh four, or three squares and a cut, right? mean, uh listen, before we jump in anything, and we're gonna get to obviously your books and obviously some of the research that you're involved with, but um the one thing I usually try to pick apart with our guests is something that is innately not paranormal. And I think we might have talked about this when we met uh at Missouri Paracon, uh or I just may have dreamt it, I'm not sure, but you're a drummer, right? Yeah, I was a drummer. was a drummer for about 20 years. uh yeah, I had some really, really good bands. You know, we came up at the same time as uh Stevie Ray Vaughan in the Thunderbirds and we're all from Texas. So, uh yeah, I've done a lot of stuff. You know, we, I was in a band, opened for the Who. We've opened for the Cars, Journey, Taj Mahal. I've lost track. I was really good back in the sixties and seventies. Yeah, it's clinging up a bit nowadays, yeah, no, that's great. So, okay, I got to ask every drummer. So I play guitar, ah but when I talk to every drummer, it's usually one name and I want to make sure that that name is pretty much the same. Who's the best? Pete Townsend. oh Keith Moon. I met Keith and you know, but he was just wild, unbridled, crazy, bottom too really. Of course they, did bad damage to themselves and left way too early, but either of those two I would uh model myself after. That's always I'm always interested because whenever being somebody who's been into music as long as I have, I'm usually really curious about those sort of things. And, know, it's yeah, it's not so much. asked me about that today. Somebody said, how about Neil Perkt? I said, well, he's, he was awesome. He's, he's so technical that, uh, yeah, I couldn't touch him, but you know, uh, I can play some mean blues and shuffles and he might not be able to touch that, we'll never know. He's gone and I'm on my way. Not too fast. Yeah, yeah, slow down. So aside from the drums, before we kind of get into things, we know who you are, but obviously we kind of have a pretty broad audience. Can you tell them a little bit about yourself before we get into kind of the meat and potatoes of everything? Yeah. well, I'm, uh, I live in Kansas city, um, Liberty, Missouri, actually, uh, I got into, uh, Sasquatch research, uh, kind of by accident. I, uh, I saw the show, uh, with Leonard Nimoy in search of, and I don't know when that was seventies sometime. And I saw that, you know, Patty. And I said, that's real. want to do that. I mean, it just, it didn't occur to me that it wasn't real. And there's other reasons I hypothesize that I knew it was real, but that's a whole nother show, you know? Uh, but so, uh, my wife and I took a trip to Washington state and this was 15, 17 years ago, I think. And it was when Marijuana had just been legalized in Washington state. boy. we weren't really paying attention to that, but we rented a cabin out in the middle of nowhere. And the guys we rented it from said, well, you've got to be very careful because if you're going to go take a hike, the illegal pot growers are very protective of their property and their plants. And there was some, a lot of really bad crime going on, some murders and shootings and stuff where people were. Accidentally walking up on a gross a grow field and uh you know didn't turn out well so anyway We were hiking I had to take a leak and Thank God I did So and I went to this tree and at the base of the tree There's a ammo box a full-blown ammo box chained to the tree and I'm sitting there going. Oh great. I just found somebody stash. I'm dead That's what I was thinking, but you know, long story short, I did my business and I decided to go ahead and poke it with a stick, which I did. I'm left handed, so was poking it with my right hand in case it blew up. I could still write. That was my logic. uh But it turned out to be a geocache game. familiar with that? So it's geocache and you know, it's game that people all over the world play, I guess. And you get a Geo coordinates, you just get longitudinal attitude coordinates. You have to find wherever this is. And then they like this box as a box or a buried treasure, a buried chest or something where you open it up and you write sign your name, you take something out and you put something in and leave it. And that was the deal. Well, the thing, the very first thing on top was uh the business card of a Sasquatch investigator. So it was all supposed to happen. You know, I was wanting it to, but I didn't know how and I hadn't even been on an expedition. I'd been researching them and reading on them and watching what I could, but you know, that are the things you do. I was, uh, I just got married. anyway, uh, I called the guy when I get back to, uh, Kansas city and long story short, I went on an expedition here in Missouri. And a year later I was leading expeditions. They fired the guy who was leading expeditions and I led four expeditions. I've had a hundred reports published, uh, to be a faro. Published. That's not just turned in. They're You know, I've turned in a lot more. That's a lot of reports. Yeah. Huge amount. You know, so, uh, that's what got me going. I led my first expedition 2000, about 11 or 12, somewhere in there. a long story short, cause we're only for an hour, right? That's fine. That's fine. But, the, we broke up into two groups, my group in what was stationary. to our camp and the other group left was someone who had some experience and we're going to make a big circuitous route. This is about 11 o'clock at night and just a big circle. And so we were going to sit in one place and they were going to keep in track, keep in touch with us with radio. Uh, but that didn't work very well because we were in a holler and so were they and the radio was crap. We couldn't hear them, find them. Plus they got lost. So we got this panic group out there, just, you know, a bunch of rookie people who maybe camped a couple of times, but other than that, we're in the middle of a march, rain, national forest, midnight. Not really happy. So anyway, so well, story short, we get, we, we maintain silence, radio silence, because we could not hear, we could just get enough verbiage out of it that we could tell they were lost and, uh, couldn't find the trail because they passed the trail that they were supposed to come back. So anyway, I am watching through the woods at night. I'm watching with my thermal, just looking for any heat signatures I can find anything just so I know they're there. They're OK. And I finally see something coming through the woods. You know, it was just a heat signature and it was here was all the leaves and twigs and trees of brush. I was just seeing bits and pieces, but if I'm okay, okay, they're here. think this is them. Who else would be out in the woods at 11 o'clock, 12 o'clock at night? So, well, it wasn't them. It was the Sasquatch and it came around the corner and it took one step and all of us were sitting there and I went, um now I don't think anybody else had a thermal. think I was the one that had a thermal, but they all went, what, what, And by then the being knew we were there. Sure. Walked right on in on top of us and it didn't see us. We're about 75 feet away. And so it took one step on the second step when we all went, it vanished. It just exploded like a flash bulb going off at night. I was only looking because I wasn't recording trying to save my battery. Don't ever do that. waste the money on batteries because the things you don't record the things you'll regret for quite a while. Anyway, so it was like a flash bulb went off and it was just spots in front of my eyes. know how the firecracker goes off in the middle of the night and you're right in front of me. just, can't see your whole thing. So, um, long story short, the people that were bringing me along in the organization were all, uh, ablely. not be a cause that I supported at the time, but that's all I had because I didn't know anything in there. You know, if you think there's something else out there, they just forget it. This is stupid. They're just a dumb ape. And if they disappear, just because you panicked and didn't see whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, when I saw what I saw, I went to the dark side and I haven't been back. Sure. Because, know, it, ape only only answers. of very few questions. Any kind of, in my whole thing, you know, I've written four books. I would have put in the book for everyone to read at all times. Considering a theory is not believing, nobody has to know the little secret that no one knows you're believing the boogeyman, you know, because the ridicule was just downright hateful from some of these guys. you know, I've, I've, come to not like a couple of them really badly because they were just not nice people, you know, and, just ridiculed and mocked everybody. Campers, expedition doors and researchers like myself included, they didn't care. You guys, there's nothing. So anyway, uh, but I ended up leading four expeditions for BFRO. Uh, the last was 2019 in, uh, Illinois Trail of Tears. wow. Yeah. BFRO is, in, in some of our audience probably knows who they are, but that's kind of the, I mean, gosh, if you've got to pick out an organization, that's probably one of the more leading ones for a big foot research in general. Wouldn't you say. Well, I don't know if they're doing the research. Some of the researchers might be doing it, but I think there's far many, far more many researchers that are not part of the afar. Okay. mostly just, we got a group. I got a posse, know, I'm gonna celebrate people, know, men and women that we all hung out, we go squatching together, but you're organized. Sure. So, but, uh, there's a lot of people doing really good work, you know, sure. I got into the habituation because it was just so fascinating. for those that don't understand my theory of habituation, is the Sasquatch live with other people on their property. They live, sleep. reproduce, hunt, drink on humans. They see them. mean, they know they're there. They will see each other and interact on occasion, when and if you want. But it just got me thinking. I think all these people that are calling me with these reports, well, they were telling me stuff, but they weren't telling me everything. could kind of just, you know, I just know you weren't, they weren't BSing me. They just weren't They were asking questions that had nothing to do with their original report. Back then, 50 % of all sightings were uh highway crossings. Going across the road. Eroding, know, see a Sasquatch going across at midnight. That was every other report was one of those, you know. But the reports, the questions they were asking had nothing to do with what they had originally called in as a report. And that, did happen, but they were far more interested in some other things. I'm going, you know, I, I've got to ask a couple of these people. I, yeah, I just call it if we can talk off a record and I say, you're asking all these questions. you, if you had some other experience, you know, you don't have to your name. mean, I have your name and location, but I'm not going to post it if you don't want it posted. But if you've got something that you want to tell me. And they did by far, you know, I had, you know, you know, in, uh, five years, wrote actually four years, wrote five books because the reports were just the tip of the iceberg. How people started telling me the stuff is going on, you know? And so that's where the books came from, you know, and I've got to be friends with many of these people. go out and. spend a weekend with them, spend a day, spend an evening, go out, hang out, see what's going on. And if I see something great, if not great, I don't bear equipment or anything with me because they've got their cameras up and everything. know, Sasquatches know who I am and they know you're a researcher. They are not stupid, you know. And so they know you're pulling in. They already know who I am anyway. I mean, I've made contact with them on cerebral paranormal quantum level, you know, and so they do know who I am. And so when they see me coming, I'm going to respect their relationship with the humans and I'm respecting the relationship of the humans with the Sasquatch. I'm not going to bring all my gear and you know, that's stupid. You've got a couple of cameras laying around. Why would I do that? You know, I just want to see and hear and experience if I can. What's your telling me about the things that are in the books, you know, and everything in the books, I have no fiction in my books. They're all real people, real events, uh, real experiences. Some are generational with the home or the property is handed down to the, you know, the grandkids who used to go see the Sasquatch when they were little kids, their grandma and grandpa's, and now they're going to take over their house since they're no longer here in the nursing home. And the thing repeats itself. It's with some several families, three or four, it's generational. Interesting. 40 years of continuous. Sure. You know, I mean, it's, it, it, there's a lot of, it's all trust. There's no guns, there's no rifles. mean, you know, they know we hunt, we hunt to feed, but you know, they don't want us, you know, polluting the earth. They don't want us just, know, killing for trophies. You know, if you had to kill to feed your family, of course, you know, they, they, they, they can't down deer and every other thing in the world. There's no waste. don't see deer heads up on the sides of trees. I'm wearing, you know, Tarzan loincloths made out of deer. Nope. just don't because it's eat. Survive, yeah. survive sleep, dream, whatever. That's it. And, you know, in reproduce and all that. So, but that's, that's what got me. It's all the stories. I've sent you guys, I emailed you some pictures. You see some of this stuff or you just go ahead. my God. know, and I've sat on the porch with a couple of. my family's and what they'll do on a Saturday night is get a couple of 12 packs, icing down, go to Monte Carlo, we're sitting on the front porch. And the one family in particular I'm thinking of, about 45, 50 feet across the driveway, we were throwing sticks and rocks in the night and they were throwing them back. That's cool. That's really cool. uh hauled my name out and they called me back in my exact voice. It's really like a mimic. Yeah, they mimic like bizarre. I'd heard. owls, car engines. mean, they can mimic and they do. I have several families that were, uh, the husband goes off to work during the day and the wife's out farting around, you know, the garden or the vegetables and stuff. And she will hear her husband calling her name. Hmm. Hmm. Interesting. Conversely, you hear the wife calling the husband's name if someone's not there in their exact voice and they're nowhere near. They're nowhere around. It's a Sasquatch jacket with them. Wow, that's interesting. That's the first time I've heard that. Yeah. Mimicry. if you look into mimicry there, you know, uh, I had a guy, a really nice guy. He's passed away very, very Tom Rue, uh, R U H. was a nuclear scientist, I believe, but he was a fanatic about Sasquatch. He was morally obese and he was on an oxygen tank. So when we went out at night, he would man the van. He would stay in the van. and tell us for stuff to look out for or, or, know, if something was going on, we got a panic call from him one night. They said, guys got to get over here. The cops are here or, or, or the uh conservation offices because a car just pulled up behind me and the door slammed and I hear crunching, but y'all need to get here. don't know what to do. We get there. We were like, Five, seven minutes away, we're in the woods, you know. So we put a lot of get back at night, you know, there's nothing there. It was the Sasquatch. Like a car door? How would they even do that? I mean, obviously they've got the signature down as far as like the noise and the. almost like, know. There's the theories. may have a two sets of vocal cords, which I would kind of agree that that's probably a possibility because we don't know. Everyone knows, but we don't know, you know, but to have, you know, and I had a friend that I hung out with a lot when I was a, you know, teenager hunting and fishing. could open his mouth and talk and whistle at the same time. Kind of this throaty, almost like a warbling. He would be, Carter, come over here. It would be going out at the same time. was Gordon. It was just the creepiest thing. But he could do that. He just found that he could do it. didn't even know how or why. just, you know, he thought everybody could do it. So it's not a stretch. He did it with one set of vocal cords. So imagine what they can do with two. Well, you know, we interviewed Ron Moorhead and he was talking about the Sierra sounds. And when we listen to that, it makes perfect sense that they could have. Yeah, there was like a click and then of course, there was vocalizations and a few other things. So. Car door, like a car engine, that's like beyond. That's interesting. I've heard, you know, tractors, cars, mean, they can mimic a human's exact voice. That's quite amazing. We don't have a chance. No, no, we do not. that you So Carter, I got a question for you that, and I know that this is kind of a pretty, cause you kind of alluded to it before. It always seems to be, now we are far from, from Bigfoot experts. In fact, that's one of the things that we're really excited to talk to you and a few other people that we've spoken with. Obviously we deal a lot with more, you know, ghost and, and, UFO type stuff, but we're fascinated by fat, by the Bigfoot phenomena. But it seems like there's always a camp of. You kind of alluded to primate and then there's kind of like an interdimensional type, you know, aspect to it as well. And we spoke with Simien Hein about that too, a little bit about how, you know, you look at the whole quantum physics part of it and you look at all these different things. And I know, so your books start from, I know you go one through four. So if I remember correctly, it's, I got it written down there. So it's, it's evidence of an enigma and it's one through four. Do you kind of go through kind of like an epilogue of that? How you started? Did you originally start it with more like a, a primate feel or did it just sort of evolve or how did that, how did that go? In all of all, and see, had already come to Jesus with the paranormal quantum thing when I started the books. Again, all this started for me, uh, 2011, 12, somewhere. didn't even start writing the books until 2020, 2021, right during COVID. I couldn't go anywhere. So I had this perfect opportunity for me to set my butt and go through all my reports. So my first book and, uh, you know, Ron Morehead did, uh, do the commentary. uh That kind of started out as a primer, it's basic footprint technology, basic tree structure, tree snaps, uh gifting, a few of my reports. And about halfway through this book, all these other books were writing themselves in my head. I was about to explode. had to... This is like, you want, if you don't know a whole lot about it covers a little bit of everything just so you kind of know. and, these are really some of the photos in there. you look at them, they're, they're, they're good stuff. Face one is a mate, we're looking at that right now. Yeah, pop it up on the so I could tell everybody. Let me, uh, if I remember how to get this in here, right? Um, of course. I didn't, I didn't gradually, I made it clear from the get go that, uh, I'm not an apir. I am a believer of paranormal slash quantum slash paranormal metaphysical, whatever you want to call it. that there's, you know, what I've seen, what I've heard, what other people have told me that I've seen some bizarre stuff, you know, and heard it. And so you just go. This is somebody with a high, high intelligence messing with me. This is all it's fascinating. Yeah. This, okay. Uh, this family, uh, turn me a bigger grow a lot and a lot of vegetables. have a lot of Quanta huts, know, the, they're a produce, you know, for, uh, farmers markets and stuff. And, uh they cover all the, They're curved and they cover them all with heavy heavy plastic and then they run propane tanks heaters in but they build two of them close and they put the heater right in between outside and pipes going in the side of each of these and that's how they keep the vegetables from freezing in the winter and so and this is the condensation. It just... wow, okay. dummy, uh, the Sasquatch, this is a funny story. the, the kid that kind of runs the operation, I think he's in his mid twenties. He's really a sharp kid. know, he works his butt off. They see the Sasquatch often around their property. It's not, it's just know that anything I'm showing you, none of this is a surprise to anybody. proper going, oh, that's the seven foot juvenile. I know who is. We call him whatever they call him, you know. they uh get all their food starting to disappear and they couldn't tell how people were getting in. They thought it was a neighbor because they have some neighbors that are, you know, of ill repute. And so they thought it was them because they didn't think the Sasquatch people would be doing that to them, honestly, you know. But the juveniles were So, so they put up a motion light after enough of this went on. said, okay, I'm tired of this. They put up a motion light. It goes off one night about 11 o'clock, 11.30 and he grabs his phone, which is his own, which is his flashlight and his phone. He runs out there and he, about halfway there, he hears all this incredible screaming and howling coming from the woods to his right. And the uh quonset of the. uh produce houses right straight ahead of him. And then as he gets about halfway more closer to it after that, he hears all this blood curling screaming going off in the woods to the left. then here's the best part, when he gets right up to the door, he hears the screaming coming from inside. The little, the little fart was caught in there and he didn't want to do it. He didn't really want to tear it up because he did respect the property. He was just bawling right through that. Yeah. anyway, so what they were doing was putting their heads and faces up. up against the classic. And looking for the humans. And what's interesting about it is you can, and we'll, for those of you who are listening to it, obviously, if you want to watch the video of it as well, but we'll put, we'll put pictures up on a website, but when you look at it, you can see hair. mean, can, you can make out. It's fair. I've got, I've got all kinds of stuff like this fingerprints, hand prints. Yeah. Uh, you know, but yeah, if you pull it up and make sure you get the, uh, copyright stuff on there, oh you can see the hair. It almost kind of reminds me of a Steppenwolf album from way back. Steppenwolf, John Kay. That's what I thought. But you can see the lips, the chin, the nostrils. The nostrils. Yeah. There's no eyes because there's something. And it's like you couldn't ask for a better gift. No, I mean, that's, know, that's literally a footprint type. mean, there's so much detail in it. Yeah, there is. Is it in that and there's a picture I didn't send you, but there's a door that goes in and there's a handprint. Up next to the door where he had been looking. Oh, okay. Okay. uh the best story. Not this night, but a few nights afterwards, uh, he caught him in there again and he ran past him and they brushed, they brushed each other's chest to chest. turned this way to get, because the juvenile was coming through full steam and full ahead. wasn't like me. um I'm going through here. would tear your ass up. don't care. Right? Excuse my friends. So that's what... And they have these stories. How? over the place. know, it just, uh, yeah. And this family was about two months ago. kid I was talking about called me. said, got some pictures I want to send you to take a uh He's a dog man. And he's not yanking my, if you know these people, they're good Christian people. they, they've got a lot of secrets. dealt with their uncle and, and for the parts of the family, their grandfather who had two classes. These people are like Sasquatch magnets. They just attract them, you know, so he's in there trimming some of the plants and shrubs and stuff in there, whatever you're doing with the, the, the garden and he sees this dog man with the ears and it's up poking little tiny holes in the plastic like it's never seen or touched plastic. That's interesting. I've got the photos. didn't want to drown you because we're, we're into the short show. It was doing just long sinewy nail, you know, kind of like Adam's family type stuff or your monster movie. then it took, when it had done this three or four times, it took the main claw and just cut about a one foot, 16 inch long slice out of the plastic. Just sliced it. And that sounds like a horror movie right? That was excellent. Was it like- He had seen my guy before, I am imagining, but he looked at him and was like, yeah, I'm gonna go out and my business, I'm gonna go play with my plastic. It was like, a non-event. What? The dogma. Yeah. it was so original to them, you know, that he's looking at it and he's playing with it that, you know, it's such a, got to think if you weren't around plastics and if you weren't. Yeah, it's like a toddler playing with something. Exactly, it's like, okay. ah balloon or something, but he had never seen it. And it turns out about two or three weeks before that, they had called me about a big silver mine out where they're at. And next to that is a big giant hog farm. And somebody had reported a bunch of baby hogs, a lot of baby hogs were being taken shortly after birth. And They found stacks and stacks of the hog bones in these caves that are the leftover uh caves of the silver mine operation that are no longer producing. But they were stacked, not just thrown right. Stacked. Yeah, there was an actual methodical presence to move. process. Right, thought process. so, you know. What do do with that? know, I know my people and so, you know, I believe them and I've heard from others in the area. I'm being vague about the general area because... No, that's... yeah, you should be. You know, it's an. This is every day for these people. Right. Do you find, and I've asked this of a couple of other researchers, oh do you find, since we're talking about a family, and you see this also with ufology, and you see this with, uh even with ghosts and the paranormal, that, in that regard, but do you find that certain families are just, like almost like it's generational, you know, or they're- Right. No, it's, know, grandpa used to talk about this big hairy man, or, you know, oh my aunt used to talk about, you know, hairy gorilla types that they would feed, you know, their leftovers to. And you hear that as a child growing up, it's a family, it's my aunt, my grandma, my grandpa, whatever it is. And then suddenly, you're herding their property or have the option. And maybe you go visit a few times and you experience it yourself. so you're like, this is just creepy and fascinating at the same time. Yeah. Well, and it's always interesting too, because um whenever I talk to people on any, with anything having to do with paranormal, you often say, well, people say these things to get, you know, rich and famous. Well, by the way, let me, let me break that myth. Nobody in, nobody that paranormal is getting rich. But, you know, there's always like this, this thing of, okay, sure. It brought a lot of attention to them, but they don't realize it. they stand a lose so much from sharing this type of thing because people start to think of them as, okay, well, they're crazy or whatever have you. And then you look at like places like we're at in Missouri, rural Missouri, where these are salt of the earth people. They're just out there homesteading, trying to work the land, their thing. Right, to care of their family. they from a first certain don't want to. Right, exactly. The last thing they're looking for is drawing attention. So when you run into this, Um, it's always amazing that, uh, it's generational and, and that sort of thing. It's what is, you know, it's flattering for me is that they trust me. know, mean, can say, won't do this. there's a couple of sleazy guys working in this state that are trying to get on the properties and give locations. And, uh, I'll leave it at that. know, the, the, you know, the Sasquatch world, Colonel world. In a nutshell, it's kind of not a great place. Everybody wants to be somebody. It's a sad state of affairs. Everybody wants to get the body and the big bounty for the millions of dollars to find a body or whatever. It's just, it's hard to get work, real work done, you know. So gladly, you know, I wasn't an investigative reporter. Instead of that, I just go visit my families when they want to be over. And I'll go spend a day or two. They send me some bizarre photos. mean, some of the stuff I get is just off the chart. But that those other two photos I sent you. em So had a wood structure one, which let me pull that up here real quick. Right, the cross. one I really want to get to is the Enigma book cover where the guy is checking his... oh Your knowledge. hand print with a hand photo. That book right there. This one here, I think you got a bigger one of it. Let me get to that. There it is. There it is. Yeah. okay, this. Okay. So what time it is when he is what the preacher is doing. It's a time preacher. What he's doing is going out and just checking cameras. He's not a hundred pages, checking cameras and stuff. got about 32 cameras on his property. So just checking them and stuff. if any batteries or one of them is falling off. Anyway. Look what time that is. Yeah. Tell me what time. It looks like 3, 312. He's there. So basically he's there at 312 36 in the afternoon. 36 in the afternoon. now look very carefully at the tree that's horizontal. It's on the ground behind him. Okay. Look at the shadow, how sharp it is. Look at the trees all behind him in the background are all standing straight up. Everything fine. Now four seconds later, same camera. Tell me what time it is. is literally four, it's, it's three, 12, 40. You're right. is four seconds right after. are bent. a pervert three seconds after he had tripped the camera. It's amazing. Notice the shadow. This Sasquatch, I'm going to call it, bumped the camera because it has changed the angle that the camera was facing. Right. And so the shadow placement is different. That's why the shadow is off. Look at the trees in the background. Yeah, because the trees look different. They looked like they were kind of curved. It's not blowing. It's bumped the camera. ah I see it's an artifact of it being... I gotcha. And he, and this is a man of God, he's a preacher and he believes as I do that there's no way he missed that. didn't see it. didn't hear it. didn't sense it. was when he went and got the cards off the cameras a few days later. that year is not correct. That year is 2022. Okay. Okay. You know, the, year is always off, the clock part is always working. If you have a trinokamera, you know they are. what do you do with that? Just materialized or. came out of a portal. mean, there's no way of being that size would just in four seconds. Do not hear it or see it. Right. The most out of that is and guys again, if you're listening to it by all means, please we'll put it on the website but maybe take a second and watch the video too. The hand, you can tell just by the proportions of, so you're looking at, right, the fears are enormous and you can tell like the knuckling and everything. Yeah. It's almost like it's got it bent at an angle. And of course I'm doing my hand in a way that nobody else could see, but... It's the nails almost look great. And of course we don't know what a juvenile hand looks like. we later, F two years later, went out to film with a film crew out of New York. They were looking to film a creature that's supposed to be down in the Southwest. of United States like a gal route or a Ruger. And so uh these fingerprints, these prints, these nails, just look weird. It could just be that this is a deformed hand or it's a hand of a juvenile who's hasn't formed itself yet. I don't know. Yeah. have, I went Google lens with these. looked all over the place to see if I could find any forgery, any, anything remotely. I found nothing. In fact, the film crew that came out, because I had just got these photos. I had just met these people a couple of weeks before. Ironic. And, uh, they, gave me these photos and these guys, uh, they heard about me from somebody else, gave him my number. I said, they were talking about maybe coming out to another witness in the same state, they refused because they wanted a lot of money. And so they called me because I also had their report published. So he called me and I said, I tell you what, you can do me a I'll do you a favor. You take a look at this photo and you tell me if it's fake or if it's real or you can find any way if it's been altered. They call back within the hour and said we're on our way. Wow. m fascinating. Like I guess I guess you passed the litmus test on that You know, and it was, you know, the film got made, but it never got put out because of infighting with the production company. That's a whole other story. But the whole thing is people are coming out of the woodwork with this stuff because they're not afraid to talk to somebody they can finally trust. When these people met me, they said, When they first met me, they goes, Oh my God, I'm so glad you're not like the guy from Discovery Channel. They had a van that was bright orange wrapped on all these lights and decals and stickers. at me, Discovery Book, Bigfoot Researching School. they were just like, Oh my God. Like a beacon. Yeah, we don't want that. They were just mortified. These people are just... Everyday people. every day of their life. Yeah You know, it's like, if I asked you, you know, hey, Logan, Nicole, what y'all do last Tuesday? Two weeks ago. I gotta be honest with you Carter. I don't know what I did 15 minutes ago, but yeah There you go. Yeah. You pooped and ate and slept. At least those three things. Probably made a couple of bucks. But you know, I won't hear from him for a while. I'll call him and they'll call me. And I'd say, yeah, well, just been kind of working on a book or talking to some of the witnesses and you know, just doing not age-old stuff. Cut the yard, just being old fart. And, uh, What's going on with you guys? Well, you know, we bought a new car, we changed the oil in the tractor, was a deal, and we to Walmart, and Irene got some new clothes, and oh, we saw the juvenile Sasquatch that we saw born about four years ago. Do we tell you that? Wow. Like drops it into conversation. Like it's nothing. It is that routine. If you can just imagine, not everything is like, I just saw a juvenile Sasquatch 10 feet away. But you know, we saw, we gifted them, we saw one running across our field, chasing a deer. They just talk about day in the life. But it's just like going to the bathroom. I don't tell you every time because it's the same thing every time. They're literally cohabitating with these. Yeah, they're living with. become, you know, and it's different things with different families. uh know, the interactions are as often or as few as both parties wish. Never forced thing and trust has to be given and taken in great chunks because you could be setting them up, you know, to kill one. Frank, you're sure people that are that way. There's the pro-kill camp, you know, so it's just a fascinating thing that I've walked into. It keeps, uh, it keeps on giving, uh, you want to that cross. Yeah. I'm going to get to the fact that I was just getting rekey that up, which, you know, we've seen some, uh, structures before. me throw this up here real quick. But what gets me about this is the height. So. Awesome story. It's explained itself in a heartbeat. You probably already think about it. 75 feet to the left of me is a Civil War era cemetery. Gravestones are in the very late 17s to mid 1800s. A lot of children, you know, and that kind of stuff. Nobody's been buried there for a while, but the family members, the great grandchildren, the great, great, great grandchildren, you know, all that. They come up with flowers and stuff because there's regular things, there's a of plastic flowers, but there's just kind of random, but people are still coming because grandpa, Great-Grandpa Jones is buried over here. Mm-hmm. wherever this was. So I see this and that is 11 to 13 feet in the air and is about a hundred feet long. Uh, it did not fall. was, if you see the right end is burnt. It was on the ground because and it was lifted recently because the ground frame where it was but it was laid up there you know something that size is falling horizontally it's going to take out everything on the way down Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's not a small piece of wood. And I think they were commemorating our relationship with death. They would never ever mark their graves. I've got a children's story about that. don't have time about the of Sasquatch not marking their graves and passing it on to the families. uh a very poignant way. a really cool story. It's true story of course, but it's really cool. But this was, uh, got called by a sheriff. He called it a report. and his uncle had seen two Sasquatch watching, watching them fish from across the river. can't remember the river. tell you if I could, was almost halfway to Springfield, a little west, little small town, little small town sheriff guy. He called it because he had see one. He would call him a report. told me that, Oh, there's some other really good areas. I went in some of my partner's time. We went in there to check out the river where he's seen it. And he showed us where it was. And, but anyway, that's how you do research. know, you, get your hands dirty, you go get in there and talk to them. know, don't just call them. I can't get down there, you know, I have a very, understanding wife and I've met many of my people. drove thousands of miles and I'm no hero. just, it was just eat me up. couldn't get enough. was producing. It's just what I thought it would be. These are just, you know, benevolent, peaceful beings. you know, they're bad ones. Just like they're bad people here. you know, the further more isolated you get in the woods. I'm talking about, you know, upper Northwest, Canada, New England, all that. get pretty tested. I used to see people there. I can't, I couldn't guarantee that there would be the kind of people you want to meet, you know, because they don't have to pass with us. But anyway, they were commemorating that relationship and I have taken reports of people hearing this or other researchers will go, I get you. I have taken reports of Sasquatch watching funerals or being seen watching from a distance. interested in in her practice of death. Don't put a headstone on that. They're going to dig it up from the government. Don't do it. I think the part that's kind of blown me away, not just the size. mean, granted the size, it kind of speaks for itself, but it's across, number one, the weight of that thing is not. Oh, no. It's heavy, but look how proportionately it's on there. Like, I'm guarantee you, if you want a foot in either direction, that thing's not steady. It would topple, so. Yeah, no, it's, know, and if you, if you, uh, you got the phone, you can play with the later on. You can, you can zoom that up. That didn't, it was played. And there's no burn marks on any of those trees that are, uh, that are horrid, that are vertical. So it wasn't part of this batch that burned. was taken from the ground and put up there and it was a perfect, you know, of. our relationship with death. That's amazing. Look at it this way. You gotta look at both sides. Sure, I get it. I'm a skeptic at heart. But at some point you have to go, okay, with all things being fair, if this was a human that went in there and did it, first of all, why? Yeah, second of all, mean, honestly, it's so perfect that I don't even think we could do that. We'd find a way to mess that up. the thing with hoaxing. I'm going to go to that trouble, I'm going to be darn sure I am there when I screw with people. When they go, my God, honey, my God, look at that, oh, there's God and Jesus speaking to you. Whatever goes on. I wouldn't do that and just walk away from it. That's just me. I've got to get my jollies. If I'm going to crank somebody. because you're going through it. I mean, I dare to say it, but you're going through a shit ton of effort to try to get that thing up there. You're gonna stick around. Yeah, I would stick around. so, but that's, it's just, you have to, and I don't want it to be what I think it is. You know, the whore's up, it's a cross. I didn't frame it that way. just came out that way. And the cemetery is 150 years old. It's 75 feet down the trail. And it just is what it is. Fascinating. Yeah, I think. We've heard that connection before about them in cemeteries. They are usually seen around cemeteries. We have heard that before. It's wild. They're just going, you stupid humans, why are you marking the graves? Let them take your little puppy. Right? Yeah. No kidding. I never really thought about that before. That's true. Yeah. That's how they would see it. Well, so let's talk a little bit about the books now that we've got a thing, a spot here to kind of bring it along. Okay, yeah, so that's uh the habituations, right? That's number four, okay. three. That's the hand. forgot the face on the... In fact, I should charge twice for that. Yeah, you should. This one here, this is a moment where I made contact with my, you know, probably a metaphysical, spiritual level, you know, or they come to me, you know, and this is the first one. Ron Boyd's got some of his two cents in there, two and a half, three, four cents, I think. uh has a lot of sense, so I memorize- Baptized by abduction. okay, yeah. That's a whole other story, you know, of my past. Say what? uh We need to have you back there and talk about that. it's, you know, I'm not trying to sell a book or well I am, but I'm not. Seventy-three, I found out when I was fifty-three. It happened in 1958 and went all the way through. Really? Yeah. Yeah, we're definitely gonna need to have you. Yeah, that'll be it. It's just bizarre. It's just totally bonkers. I had witnesses that we all got hypnotized together. was actually what we trying to find out if we had past lives. It was just all, were just under the lark. I picked up a phone book and called somebody and we found somebody and I drove out, we will, out there to her studio. And I was the last to go and everybody had passed lives, were talking about their little lives and everything, then I'd just start talking like an eight-year-old kid and balling my brains out. my gosh. That's the one thing that Tara felt like I want to do that too, but I'm like, what if this has happened? You want to get it out of your system. Cause if you carry it around, it's just dead negative way. You know what saying? You'll find out. You don't have to do anything with it if you don't want to, but at least find out. Next thing I'll uncork something I'll never be able to stick that pin in. I had no doubt. There's before we before we let you go, there's one thing I usually like to talk to people that that, you know, have a pretty big, vast wealth of information. And I always laugh because we always say our moms watch this show and they listen to this show and my mom, I love her to death, but she will she will go. You know, she'll ask me questions that I think are very rudimentary. But then I got to realize, OK, we're in this all day long. You know, we deal with the paranormal constantly. And for somebody who's not like your mom or my mom. What is the biggest misconception that you would tell somebody that first of all, know, always hear, why don't we hear about see a body, all that stuff, yada, yada, yada. And we don't need to talk about that if you don't want to, but what is the one biggest misconception that you would like to see people kind of take home with that? Every human on the planet has been lied to since they were born until they're 18 to 22 years old. The government knows the government's lying. know, the churches, science, all the sciences. Everybody knows except us poor laymen, taxpayers, know. So if you see or hear something and you're already programmed subliminally, have no control to go, oh, that must have been a bee, that must have been an owl, or that must have been a monkey that got away, or that was a monkey, you know. But your program to discount anything that you find off. And so there's nothing wrong with... You change your mind if you want to look into things, you know, that's whole thing. Somebody sees something and just think, must have been seeing things. And you just keep going. Whatever it was, it was a bullet on your day's life. And you just go on and you think nothing of it. That's the one thing, you know, people tell you things, that, well, that's what they believe, you you of think and see an experience for yourself, you know, maybe you don't care about that stuff. It's perfectly fine, but there's other things going on. the planet and you know I'm just one of those I'm thirsty. I got too much time on my hands too. I wish I had a little more. we need a little bit more time. Yeah. But hey, put my website or just my email on there for anyone wants to contact or if they want to buy books. for sure. And we'll have it on the screen during our interview. they'll be able to reach out to you. On that note, what do you kind of got coming up in the next, we're not 100 % sure, probably in the next few weeks, this will come out, but what do you kind of got coming up? Um, I'm doing space radio Friday night and I've been a podcast on July the seventh and then I went on the 23rd and that's all till August. Okay, well that's good deal well Carter thank you for coming on uh So which one is Logan? Which one's Nicole? I'm Logan. Just kidding. You're already proud. Ever old jar that's when you reprogram Pretty much. Well, Carter, hey, thanks a lot. We appreciate you coming on and look forward to talking to soon. You too guys, thanks lot for having me. Thanks. Hey, thanks Carter. Thanks for stopping by. Yeah, it's again guys. We were so happy to have him. He's got, um, you know, he, he's, he's got so much research. And I think the part that I liked the most is he's, it's sort of now coerced. kind of have a, I wouldn't say a scientific mind, but I try to think about, think about things more in a skeptical scientific method. And what he's done is he's taken his data set and it's been the same. So he's kind of got the same, you know, That's the big thing with science is being able to replicate it and carry it through, you know, through several different data points. And he's been able to do that because he's working with certain families, you know, and just to come up with some of the stuff and the things that they've seen. And I think what blows me away is the habitation, you know. Yeah, no kidding. And you don't hear that very often. And maybe it's just because people are too scared to talk and that's probably what it is. But especially, you know, him living in Missouri and we are in Missouri, people kind of keep to themselves, you know, especially in those rural areas. And they'll tell you about stuff if they know you and they trust you. But if they don't, they're not going to say anything. Yeah. So I totally get what he's saying because I'm from here. My whole family's from here. have family that live in areas that he's talking about. So it is very interesting to me. It is interesting. you're right, most of people you run into, there's a couple of things that they're very, very passionate about. They're passionate about like their truck or their tractor, know, equipment and things like that. And then they're very passionate about telling you how little they paid for it. And that's about it. I gave this for that. That's my favorite thing. I only paint this. not only paid that it's the best but it's true though because they're very case of the best, you know what I find interesting also is like a lot of these people are probably living out where they've got lots of acreage and they're backed up to the woods. I'm going to just assume. Um, but the mimicking of the sounds, their doors, engines, tractors, that's interesting to me because they're probably right there in the woodland and that's what they're hearing come from the property. So that's what they're mimicking. That's very, cause he doesn't talk about like, highway noise or anything like that. So it's something they can hear from the property line. And you know, you always hear about, know, obviously there's, there's like we've said in interview, there's several camps, you know, people that think about primate and then there's people that think of it in, in, think of Bigfoot as more of an interdimensional creature, potentially an outer space or outer space from, I don't want to sound like I'm in the fifties here or see an outer space. But, you know, that there are aliens or something like that. And I mean, first of all, why can't all these things be true at the same time, you know, but it's just. I mean, I think, I think the more you learn, the more your opinion changes. Like I think when I first started out, I never really thought it was an ape, but I have definitely changed my perspective on things that I have heard. I'm more in the camp of the interdimensional. Cause at first I was like, well, maybe it's kind of an alien. And I was on that kick for awhile, but now I think it's just an interdimensional being that can do come and go like aliens can come and go. that. That is my opinion as of this is that Roman Give it about 10, 15 minutes. I mean the more people we talk to and the more evidence we see I mean who knows how it could just I've never even believed it was an ape though No, that's true. don't think I have either. Because first of all, it seems to be too, even at its lowest common denominator, it's very intelligent. I'm not saying apes aren't intelligent. Which they are. They are very intelligent. But it seems to have a different way of being able to do things that I guess categorically you don't always anticipate like a primate ape would do. um But then of course there are a lot of things that they would do. I mean, it goes back to like the peanut butter and all these other things where, you know, they're, they open it up, you know, and I can't remember, was this something that Tobes sent us or was this when we're talking with Fred? I now, but they scooped it up with the fingers, but they had to be able to open the jar. had to open up the jar. They scooped it up. Now if memory served, did they not put the jar or the cap back on? Yeah. mean, look, I'm right. I'm not saying that even if you taught a primate to do that, which I'm sure you probably could, but out in the wild, it just seems in the finger size. Yeah. No, but the cemetery thing, that I think is my favorite part of this interview because, you know, we've seen that on other shows that we watched talking about like a connection with cemeteries and them. And I never really thought about that before. Like they're thinking of it like, oh, they're going to be able to find your dead. Why would you mark that? doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Like that part kind of blew my mind, but we could probably go on. Good forever. So guys if you haven't if you're if you're listening to it Thank you so much But if you have the opportunity to look at the video, please do so and I think what we're gonna start doing is on the website I'm gonna start kind of incorporating some of the like I guess kind of like what we talked about and things like that and I'll put these pictures on there so you can look at it there as well, but But order his books. Yes. Yeah. We when we were at Missouri, Piracan, his was one of the last tables we got to. And by then I had already bought like half my library. It was like completely. Guys, we spent a substantial amount of money there. That's it. So I have none left to buy his books, but if he's back for this next year, I'll definitely, you know, purchase from him. But I know there's got, there's got to be so much in those books. I would love to read them. Yeah, we're going to read them. So, but guys listen, thanks again for stopping by and, uh, you know, it, doesn't matter what camp you believe in or how you feel about big foot. Um, you know, I, I just think that there's a lot more to say about this and there's, there's something right. It's not something there, right. It's not just, you know, you look at the spectrum of people that are involved in this. I mean, there's got to mount to something, right? Yeah, well in the Native American legends that they used to trade with that. I want to know what that looks like. I need to get this time travel thing figured out. Right. And then go back and see it. like, I mean, I hate to make light of it because it's my ancestry, but it's like, what could they have offered Bigfoot? I mean, were they gonna give them a pellet? Well, yeah, it's true. I guess food. makes sense. I was thinking like a pelt. I'm like, what's, what's Bigfoot going? Yeah, thanks. The white people were the ones that wanted as they were called Guys, seriously, I don't want to get in trouble. And thank you so much for stopping by and we'll see you next week. See you next week.