Stephen Towill on Past Life Regression & Between Lives Hypnosis

In this episode of Generation X Paranormal, we welcome Stephen Towill, a seasoned hypnotherapist specializing in past life regression and between lives spiritual hypnosis.Stephen shares his personal journey into the world of hypnosis and the power of the subconscious mind, guiding us through how past life memories may influence present-day behaviors, beliefs, and emotional patterns.We dive into the concept of collective consciousness, explore the therapeutic value of regression hypnosis, and discuss some of the most common myths and misconceptions about hypnosis.Whether you're curious about reincarnation, soul journeys, or just want a grounded look into spiritual hypnotherapy, this conversation is all about exploring the hidden layers of the self—with choice, experience, and insight at the heart of it all.

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Stephen Towill (00:00.458)
facilitate and I'll let that person's mind go to where it needs. Some people will come for past life regression in which case I'll kind of direct to that way but generally it's almost like let the mind do the work. Let the mind go to where it needs to go to and when you do that you usually get the best results and it can honestly go anywhere really.

Logan Mathias (01:04.654)
Hello, everybody. Welcome back. Hey, everyone. Generation X Paranormal. I'm Logan. Guys, it is, we're in a season four, but right now when we're recording, it is July. It's got, what is it, July 11th, right? And I literally feel like we are permanently stuck on the surface of the sun. It's wrapped around like it's wrapped around. It is hot. It's not bad. Jeez. And we have, you know, no news story here, but I think we've even mentioned we have chickens and...

And I'm Nicole.

Nicole Mathias (01:23.31)
with a wet blanket.

So.

Logan Mathias (01:34.018)
We're constantly out there making sure they're okay and we're okay and everybody's Hydra. It's a mess. But one thing that's not a mess is our guest. We have a very interesting guest. And I know we say that a lot because they're all interesting, that's right. We don't bring you crap. Okay. We work hard to not bring you crap. Anyway, as much as we can, but we have Steven Tao and he is, he's got a very interesting.

bring you not interesting.

Logan Mathias (02:02.742)
Let's kind of frame it up, but he's a very interesting guest. What can you tell us about Stephen?

So Stephen Tell, he's from Glasgow's Collin. And he is a hypnotherapist. And he specializes in past life regression and between lives spiritual hypnosis. And that's a new one for me. I had not heard that before and I was like, we need to talk to him because I wanted to hear what this is all about.

That's the interesting.

Logan Mathias (02:27.534)
for sure. And that's, that's really the meat and potatoes of what we really kind of wanted to reach out to him about. we've, of course we've had some great past life regressionists on, you know, Simon, of course, and a few others, but this is, this one's a little bit different. So, yeah, I really can't wait to talk to him about it.

Yeah, let's talk to Stephen. Let's talk to him.

Well hey Steven, welcome to Generation X Paranormal, how you doing?

Hey, Jordan, thanks for having me.

Yeah, we've been excited to talk to you for a lot of different reasons, but we'll kind of crack this open a little bit more as we get further down the road. We spoke to some past life regressionists and we even spoke to somebody that performed, it wasn't past life recall, which I'm not sure if you're familiar with that at all or not, but I guess it somewhat differs from, anyway.

Nicole Mathias (03:21.336)
still don't.

Yeah.

I still don't understand it either. yeah, how about we just kind of start from this? You know, our audience probably is going to a little bit about yourself. So kind of tell us a little bit about yourself. What kind of got you started into where you are now and kind of get them to know you a little bit.

Sure, so I started quite young actually. mean, technically I'm a hypnotherapist, whatever you want to call me, but really working with the mind. And as a young age, I was quite fascinated by hypnosis. What it was, how did this thing work? Probably seen on TV somewhere. So I went on the way back in 1991, which was...

when I was about 17. So, shows you what age I am now. So, that's where I started. There was no internet back then, believe it or not. So, I had to find books. there was not many books on hypnosis or hypnotherapy back in those days. So, I was sort of figuring it out for myself. And it was a curiosity. It's something that I've always had one of those curious minds, whether it's ghosts and UFOs and...

Stephen Towill (04:36.402)
I always remember a book my dad had called The Unexplained and I used to love that book. It was about that thing and it had the amicable horror stories that had Bigfoot and human combustion, spontaneous human. So I just always remember all this unusual stuff that fascinated me and hypnosis is the one that seemed to sort of stick out the most. So I started, I went to college. The first book I found in a library was actually about, it was more of a psychology book.

covered a lot of hypnosis. And from there, really my little brother was six years old and he was the first subject that I used testing this out on. And six years old, he was picking imaginary flowers out of a carpet and I'm sitting going, wow, this has worked, this is cool. And then I did another thing called pass life regression on him, he started going on about a totally different life as a...

a guy who had some kind of skin disease that was dying, wrote children's books, was married with a child, and was worried about who would look after his child after he died. So this is a six-year-old, my little brother, sitting, coming up with all this. And again, I'm sitting going, wow, this is pretty cool. What is this stuff? This is amazing. So that's where I started really. was really curiosity and fascination with something like hypnosis.

for sure. think everybody's there. Yeah, for sure. There's like a spark, right? Everybody gets that initial, the initial spark that gets them in it. Us example, look behind you. We're into the whole, you know, the UFOs and the, and the ghosts and everything too. But we certainly didn't start that way. You know, we're, I'm very much a skeptical believer. And it's interesting when you get into something and you kind of start, kind of start peeling back the layers a little bit.

And then you kind of get to see it for yourself. I find that funny though with your brother picking flowers.

Nicole Mathias (06:35.86)
better guinea pig than your siblings.

Just sit down, it'll be okay.

Well, that's fascinating. so clinical therapy, and I would imagine it's probably all somewhat put together. I would think that when you get into hypnosis, and of course, by all means, stop me if I'm wrong, but you're always at that like precipice of getting into more of the subconscious and more things start coming out. And I would imagine kind of how you do your clinical hypnotherapy. It's always hard to kind of stay in that.

and those bumper bumpers in that road and not dip into is there possible past life here and kind of kind of seeing where those lines get blurred a little bit. Is that pretty accurate?

It blades over all the time. That's what's quite cool about it. I've worked with people who are just completely nowhere near thinking about stuff like afterlifes or guides, spirit guides or all these kinds of things. and, and I'm not one that always remember. So if I watch what I say, because it's all confidential. I did have one client who did a very, very prestigious job.

Stephen Towill (07:51.694)
was the last person you'd expect to be into any of stuff. But as I was working with him, more from the clinical perspective. it's really try to look at the way that the mind is in conflict with itself. So one part may be anxious, but there's another part of your mind going, why am I anxious? This doesn't make sense. So it's like there's this internal conflict. And through this process that I use of trying to resolve these conflicts, and here's this woman.

I want to give the name, but she was coming forward and saying, what does this guy need? And what was, where did it all come from? And what we should do? I ended up, I was like this, whatever this is. Now people might say it may be some created part of the metaphorical part of the mind that is creating some help or resource or whether it's some sort of spiritual entity or whatever it may be.

or it seemed to be a lot very knowledgeable and everything that had to be worked on and the time to be worked on. So when you ask about where it might lead into other things, sometimes the way that I look at myself as a facilitator, I facilitate and I let that person's mind go to where it needs. Some people will come for a past life regression, in which case I'll kind of direct to that way, but generally it's almost like let the mind do the work.

let their mind go to where it needs to go to. And when you do that, you usually get the best results and it can honestly go anywhere really.

Yeah, to me, I always think of in the conscious mind, we always want to categorize things, right? We always want to, if something doesn't make sense, well, you know, we'll put it in this category. know, everything's got to be nice and neat. But I would imagine when you start getting to the subconscious, like I said, things aren't, I don't want say they're not as neat, it's more broad and not everything is so, you know, cut and dry.

Stephen Towill (09:53.512)
Right. I think there's a sort of interesting kind of concept with it, with this idea of the conscious and the unconscious. And I mean, it's observable to see that. So for instance, I talk a lot and I'll start using my hands. Why are my hands moving around? There's some kind of unconscious process that I'm not consciously deciding to do it. But some part of my mind is deciding that this communicates better. And if you see my head moving around, facial expressions, if we drive cars or moving

the gear sticks, if you've got a shift stick, or if you're turning wheels or pressing pedals, muscles, legs. So there's a ton of unconscious process. But I think that we are only really focused on a very small aspect of others. And I can't remember who was it that came up with this number, but it was seven plus or minus two things are aware, you can be aware of in the conscious perspective. And so that might be.

person you're talking to or you may be suddenly think bringing the temperature and the thing looks a bit warm in here. So it's only supposed to be about seven things yet. A certain conscious perspective is supposed to be aware of. I remember one number was 10 million bits of information. It chunks up into understandable stuff, which is two million chunks of information. And so this could be all stuff going on like getting temperature.

It may be starting to sweat or if you're caught in goosebump or shaking or so there's a whole pile of unconscious stuff happening. I think as we're talking about here is that there's a much more expansive aspect to the mind that is also there. It's this maybe more of what we are as a being. We are focused on this little sort of critical construct that we sort of decide what is, what isn't, what we understand.

I think this is what therapy does, think, hypnosis is that it allows you to focus more into these, you could call it unconscious or we could call it the conscious. And you think about the conscious mind, that can just be consciousness as an overall thing. I think it's more about being able to tap in a bit like a medium or a child, somebody that channels or whatever they, I remember having a friend that was a medium and

Stephen Towill (12:18.702)
He was doing a charity thing and was standing with him and he said, okay, I just need to get myself out in the zone. So I watched him and he just kind of put his head down and he was just, as if he was focused and he's lying there and I'm thinking that's a sort of, I'll say a hypnosis, there's some kind of self-hypnosis he's doing. And for me, all he was doing was internally focusing. And that's what the hypnosis is doing, it's internally focusing into whether it's conflicting problems in the mind aspects, parts, whether it's past life experience, whether it's this.

a connection to something of a higher source. So that's for me what it is. It's about focus of the mind.

Yeah, that's fascinating when you bring up mediumship too, because to me, and you kind of frame that up perfectly because we've got some very close friends who are in the mediumship and who are mediums and are just absolutely phenomenal. But you're right. You kind of see them go through that process. Yeah, like the backing away from just the tangible, you know, trying to separate and you're I think I think so much more

meditation.

Logan Mathias (13:25.614)
I think people honestly are a little bit more intuitive than they know they are. And in fact, if you ask a lot of the mediums and psychics that we know, they'll tell you that they're doing nothing different than what we can do. Some of them obviously will try to tell you differently, but the ones that we work with, you know, they're pretty credible and they will admit there's nothing different that I'm doing that you couldn't do. It's just your willingness to be able to separate that, that conscious mind and be able to

kind of focus in that.

Yeah, 100%. I think when I work with people, there are some people may struggle a little bit with something in past life. And what I find is that there's certain, I think everybody's mind is slightly different. Some people picture visually very well in their mind. Some people are more feeling a sense or an awareness. And the other kind of two main ones of visual kinesthetic feeling. And when you start to bring in, so suppose as you go through life, as your mind develops,

But after the age of about a certain, it starts to develop its critical ways of working. And what I think tends to happen is that some minds start to develop in their own ways. Maybe they become more logical, more sort of really highly critical. It could be a job that you do, but you've got to really, it be some kind of a currency work where you're really, they're really looking into the numbers and critiquing whether they're right or wrong.

So I think your mind adapts and learns in some ways. And I think there are some people that just have more of that natural ability to have this more internal focus. I think it takes, it's the idea of the logical and the creative mind. And I think the people that are more on the creative side are more able to allow this. It's like imagining. It's like saying something like on your holiday, where did you go on holiday last year?

Stephen Towill (15:25.654)
Now you're thinking about it, okay, I was in whatever it was. You're sort of like probably imagining it by that time. Your mind is reconstructing and it's using a creative aspect to recall that memory or reconstruct this memory that you have experienced. And so I think people that are more on a creative side seem to be the ones that are bit better at these things, such as mediumship or as a subject for

That's what I think I do.

Right? Yeah, I am. It's amazing because I can think of the mediums that I know when you're thinking of too, but who are very artistic. And it's interesting because it is almost like you tap into that. Yeah, that other that other subconscious part of you. It seems to kind of flow. So with path, past life regression, that's a that's a big one. And I know that

I know that there's a lot of people that have a lot of skepticism behind it and I get that. But to me, it makes a lot of sense in a way that if you have such amount of information subconsciously and there's only so much energy in the world, Everything kind of bleeds into another. We all share the same kind of electrical field, all these other things that we can get into that are just not, they aren't just woo woo. We're talking about actual scientific.

So to me, it almost seems like, well, that would make sense if thoughts are electrical and the brain is just a big serial bus of electricity and different things moving around, then why couldn't that happen? Why couldn't that energy or that thought process go through and still be around? So with past life regression, and it's funny, I was reading on your webpage that everybody said there.

Logan Mathias (17:23.726)
Cleopatra or something, which I always kind of chuckled at. It's like, well, I was getting his con. Exactly. But in your writing and reading on your website, people lived normal lives and, you know, you still probably have an imprint on that. So can you kind of walk us through some of the things that that you have seen or anything that you can talk about, of course, things that that may put.

other people at ease that may want to actually learn about it and realize that, there could be something going on in my life today that could in fact have something to do with my past life. So if you kind of, maybe break that apart and unpack it a little.

Yeah, I could go in about a hundred different ways in this, but all this, but so suppose that past life, I guess it's like, just maybe start with it right from what it's understood as, is it some sort of previous life that you've lived before? Now you could start to look at, okay, so some delights, I'm Stephen. Stephen has never lived ever before. I'm a unique expression of a life, of an experience.

from the day I'm born to the day I die and this will never be recreated. So in a way, I am a unique experience of which I think we're all connected to some greater. So you hear all this stuff about the one, we're all part of the one. And I can kind of see that maybe that is the case is that we are an aspect of something that is all connected. Now, when it comes to past life, so I guess what we're doing is as you said, it could be that

We've got some kind of fear, we've got some kind of limitation in our behaviors or the way that we live life. And we don't know where it comes from. So I could give you an example. Maybe I had one guy who sticks in my mind who had, he didn't want to speak out. He was running his business, but he just couldn't put himself out. And he didn't know why this was. And we did a past life regression on him and it took him back to some

Stephen Towill (19:33.816)
place where he was quite overpowering and did a lot of atrocities in war times and that he didn't want to be out as a known person anymore because he felt that he did damage or does hurt when he had some kind of position or power. So this is what made him shrink down to try and be small. so when you look at it from my perspective, then it's as if for me it's like almost an extension.

and maybe look at life as this continuous thing that never ends. it's just this, but unconscious awareness that is continually having various different experiences. Now, as Stephen, I've had the 50 years of experience in this life. If you handed me a book and said, go back to the first day of school, take a page for every single day that you have lived, write down each page.

what you did, who you spoke to, and what we learned in that day. You'd probably just look at it and think, I can't remember. I don't know. can never. I can remember a day I went to the zoo. There was a time the teacher read a story or maybe a bully. There was a bully. I can't remember what days it was, but they gave me a hard time. So you've got little vague aspects of the past. so the difference is that

Even though you don't remember all those days, you can read, you can write, you've learned about history, you've learned about geography, you've learned social skills and how to interact with other people or whether it's a teacher that had some sort of authority, sort of a figure that you had to sort of obey or has taught you something about authority and respect. so you're now the accumulation of all of that experience even though you don't really remember it all.

And for me, past life is just a bit of a continuation of that. Again, we don't necessarily need to remember, just like we don't remember even work. How many days do you go in to people going to work and you do your job and you go home and the next day you go to work, you do your job, you go home. And then 10 years later, you look back and says, can you tell me what you did every day? You'd be like, it's only one big experience.

Logan Mathias (21:51.862)
I can't tell you what I did an hour ago.

So, showing you the accumulation of the experience that we would then be good at the job and we can do really well and if something comes up, we've got stuff that the mind taps into to adapt and to sort of learn how to do something in another way that may be related to something we've did before. So, you've got a skill set, that almost constructed ability.

And past life for me is an extension. Again, we don't really remember much about it. Maybe we don't really need to, but it brings, I guess we are the sum total of it all. So it may be that some people are just naturally very calm and they're really good with people. And maybe that comes from some other life where they've developed these skills of working with people and how to treat people nicely. So that's the way that I kind of see it as the

we are some kind of accumulation. We can say it's energetic, because I can't think of any other way to try and explain consciousness, but there's some accumulation of experience, maybe some kind of conscious, energetic way that we tap into to live life. But sometimes some of it may be actually causing us a problem. If we've drank and we're scared of water, we don't know why now we are scared of water, but.

goes back to that. Sometimes it's more about tapping into resource that you can through something now and you are showing that actually you are really good at this and this is something that you can draw on yourself to realize that you have that ability, that innate ability within you. So that's the kind of way that I look at past life. You get people saying things like there is no such thing as time.

Stephen Towill (23:46.456)
So time doesn't exist in some kind of spiritual way. But what I would argue is that time does exist in our construct. Time is so we can understand time. So people might say past lives could be parallel lives because everything is all simultaneous. But it may be then that we'll care. That is one other aspect, another way of looking at it. But within the construct of our awareness, we are aware of time and it.

and we see it in our linear perspective. So it does still exist to us in this experience. So that's the kind of way I look at it. It's just this accumulation of experience that we go through. it's a bit bigger than what we know. are focused, bit like a horse wearing blinkers. We are focused on this little narrow perspective, but there's a lot more to what we are and who we are and what we'll be experienced through.

other lives or non-lives, whatever that may be.

Sure. That's about as accurate as I can think of it. Yeah. You're right. And when I think of past lives, I always think of, you know, like we said, somebody thinking there was something else. And I find that with the subconscious, I couldn't see it being so exact. mean, like you said, things are kind of fluid and I don't know. I think that, for example, there are many times where

I got

Logan Mathias (25:20.728)
I'll be working or doing something and gone, wait a minute. I feel like I've done this before. You know what I mean? Or I feel like right. The deja vu. Well, I don't think necessarily that I did it in this particular construct that I'm in, but maybe somewhere back in this thing I call ahead is, is maybe a memory from a life that I once had that said, Hey, yeah, I've done this before. Or, know, or, Hey, this is.

The Deja Vu.

Logan Mathias (25:49.996)
This is just a different perspective of something that you've done maybe one, two, who knows, a thousand times. And it's just my current incantation of that particular thing.

Yeah. And this is a thing as well. We can look at it from our own personal, individual perspective and we're tapping into something that we seem to have a bit more of a connection to or an experience. So maybe it is just that maybe that this one consciousness that we were all part of, that this past life doesn't technically belong to us, but maybe the energy that we are is

attached to it in some sort of way. it's the energy that we are, the aspect of consciousness has got more of a connection to this other life. And whereas really, if you look at it from everything, all being one, then all lives all belong to everybody. So it's all about perception. I think there's so many ways and people argue about all these different potentials. Nobody really knows, but a lot of people argue about what it is and what it isn't.

What I like to try and do is I look at it from the perspective is that probably everybody is right in some way from a certain perspective. It's just that how the way that you look at it.

a hundred percent. I mean, can't tell you how many times I, my background is I have a, a network engineering background. So I'm very analytical. I look at everything from top to in fact, it's nauseating just how much I have to do it. But, you know, the one thing I always try to tell people is, is if you sat, actually, no, if you were outside and there were 15 people standing, you know, shoulder to shoulder and they watched a, a, I don't know,

Logan Mathias (27:37.504)
a leaf fall from a tree to a ground. You would have 15 different perspectives. You would have 15 different views. mean, there would be, and then there's even multiples beyond that. Nobody will have seen that same event the exact same way. However, it did happen one way. It's all about who saw it from what angle. And I think one of the things, and believe me, I can go real deep into this, but I think what we've forgotten in this world is that

It's okay. You know, those 15 different things and those 15 different perspectives as part of how we get to where we are in humanity and all the different things that we do. So, um, yeah, you're right. think that, I think everybody's right to a point. Um, and I think that there are certain, things that ring true through pretty much most of them, know, most of them, you're like, okay, that kind of makes sense. And then you see some similarities, but yeah, I find it interesting that, you know, everybody's different.

And there are different perspectives. mean, they're wrong or right.

Yeah, I think this is a good thing. The more that you can see it, that it is someone's just differing perspective. And from their perspective, it seems right and it makes sense. But I guess what we don't know is we don't have the full knowledge of everything. We don't know. We limit things by size, by what we can observe and what we can repeat. But a lot of this stuff can be things that are experienced that isn't tested, but under scientific. I mean, if you think about

I don't know what someone's seen a ghost. Now you'll see that ghost and then you wouldn't tell someone, just seen something weird there, but you can't go back and test it because it's now happened and it's just based on somebody's experience. So I think we're limited a lot and our overall understanding, but we are seeing things in just different perspectives. And whether you look at past life, for instance, you could say that past life doesn't exist from a certain perspective. So if you look at it from me as

Stephen Towill (29:36.236)
Steve and Tilo. I've never existed ever. I never will again. But there may be some other person that exists that I'm some kind of part of in some kind of way, but I was still one unique experience. So from that perspective, I've only existed once. But when you look at it, maybe from a spiritual perspective of past life and things like.

or one consciousness source, whatever you would call it. And we can then see that, okay, it's maybe, I can see how it works from that perspective. So it's just, think it's people argue and it's pointless, think, arguing because it's just different perspectives. And usually, in some way, they could all be brought into one understanding. I think that's, as you said, everyone sees things in different ways. And that's maybe the amazing thing of humanity is that we will grow and we will...

And it's all by challenging each other and finding things that work and things that don't work. And maybe that's the way that we're supposed to be to help us to move forward.

Absolutely. I truly believe that.

Okay, so the thing that I've been itching to talk to you about and it's something that I guess maybe I've never quite heard before, maybe not in this direct way, but can you talk to us a little bit about, actually quite a bit about, I'm really curious about it, is it between life, spirituality, and kind of that hypnosis that you're talking about?

Stephen Towill (31:09.006)
Yeah, so again, so like I said, I was doing past life when I was 17. Never really took anything past a death point. Didn't like the idea of it. I don't know why. I a little bit afraid. I always remember one guy last, he just kept going to this beach. was quite young, he was on a beach. And I kept saying, move a little further forward to the next point. And he kept saying, And I kept getting stuck. And eventually I just said, what was the last thing you remember? And he said, a flash of light. And I went, oh.

I can be, is that a ghost, is that something, I'll get away from that. So I shut it down. But it was maybe quite a number of years later, somebody gave me a book to read and it was called Germany of Souls by a guy called Dr. Michael Newton, who I think from maybe the 70s and 80s was doing past life regression. And again, he stumbled into, I think he was a practicing counselling and psychologist or something. But he,

started going to the end of their lives and just saying, what happens next? And then from his work, people started to all talk about these, first of all, dying from the experience that they had in this past life. And then would usually be the usual things you hear from people talking about near-death experiences where there's just this light, this peace feeling of everything change, or any.

pain or suffering that they had in that life just disappeared. And then it's the interesting thing is then that the beings that seem to come forward and so again it's spirit guides or past relatives or this sort of idea. So he studied, he did a lot of cases. I think he did something like 7,000 test cases and there were all, it was just all these people saying the same stuff about this.

afterlife, this experience of soul groups again. So I've learned quite a lot about it. mean, and this is, this is where I sort of took my stuff forward. I just started doing, okay, well, I can do that. That's not that hard to do. I've done it the past life and I would do it. I've been doing it for years. So I could, then I started trying it with some friends and I was getting the same stuff as well. again, like the first one with my brother, saying, this is cool. This is amazing, this stuff.

Stephen Towill (33:35.784)
bringing up. it's an idea then that starts to put a bit of a meaning on what life is. So again, we're in some kind of construct of humanity, construct of earth. And what these experiences seem to tell you is that we're coming here with a purpose. So it could be for learning something, we'll go through some challenges or difficulties or need to learn about.

being a better person, to being about love, to family or, I don't know, to strengthen your being is maybe you'll go through some difficult challenges and it's about how you cope and stay mentally strong. So this is what was coming up and this seems to be that there's these soul groups and there is some kind of guide that almost helps this group. Now the weird thing about past life is that

If you say to that person is maybe close to you, if you look in their eyes, is there anything familiar about them? And it's very common that they'll say, well, that's like my mom in this life, or that's my brother in this life. So they're recognizing someone, not always, but a lot of the time they're recognizing the people from the life within these other lives. And this is what this life between life.

idea was coming up with is that we all come down in some kind of group and to interact some that could be a mother that's very overpowering and pushes us too hard and maybe it's about us to overcome that and the way that she treats us and for us to grow stronger and not know somebody to push us about to so it's so it's almost like the dynamics of each person is all helping us to grow.

whether it's through challenge, whether it's through support, whatever way it is. But all through it all, it's about us learning something, growing and developing and expanding maybe what we are. And yeah, so this is where this life between life idea comes from. It's just people's experience that you just ask them. You don't even see, I've always been a bit skeptical myself about a lot of this as sometimes.

Stephen Towill (35:57.838)
I read that book and I thought, he leading people? Is he maybe using certain language that is trying to get them to go to work? that he, again, is done with other people? Is he placing his own interpretation and his own beliefs onto this to try and get the same kind of result? So when I did that, tried to be very non-suggestive. I would just say, where are you? What's happening now? I would just very open-ended questions just to say what's happening on.

Tell me a little bit about that and what are you experiencing now? So I'm very open-ended with the questions. Yeah, it's the same types of experiences that are coming through, or guides helping us, us get through many lives to grow and to keep a living and experiencing. And again, it's through even the sessions I've did, it's even, it's as if.

This is a way of presenting to us that we understand. But it's even bigger than this is that, again, they've said that there is no separation like we think there's separation, that there is more, we're more of a collective than a separate thing. we adjust that because it probably makes sense to us through this construct where we're individuals, it's almost being shown to us in certain ways that make sense to us. I'll give another example.

I remember doing a session five, six years ago and the girl said that it was this guy, it was a unicorn. So I was going, right, okay. That's imagination, right? So I'm thinking, so let's take it on a little bit and I keep going and I'm thinking, maybe this is a lot of crap that I do. So, but then this unicorn was showing her this place where she was part of this place and it was about where.

people with hard lives would come to heal, recover from a life that maybe was very difficult. And she was shown as being part of this place, that this is what she was. She was some sort of soul that helped people, that helped souls. So as we went through that, I'm just going along and I thought, asked her to ask a question. said, ask it, is it a unicorn? And it said no. It says,

Stephen Towill (38:20.63)
This woman, this woman sees unicorns as magic and this place, what we're trying to communicate is that this place is a place almost with magic, it's something special that she's part of. So what we're doing is we're taking a representation, some physical, some visual representation of what would maybe mean. So it's almost like it's a communication. And again, it be, you might see some guy or some ascended master standing at the clocks and again, it's...

They don't physically look like that. They don't have any physical form or some kind of conscious energy, but order for them to communicate with us, they need to take some kind of form within our senses that we work with, visual or whether it's more kind of a feeling or something, but it's trying to communicate by taking some representation that we understand. So it's almost like speaking a language. We've learned a language and we speak that language.

And other people that don't speak that language, they don't understand what we're saying. But in order for someone to understand this, they've got to speak our language. So if you think about the senses as the sort of language of how we experience here as a being, a human, then from a spiritual perspective, it's probably way beyond what we know, but they've got to limit it to some sort of language that we understand, which is the language of the senses.

That is so interesting.

Yeah. You know, it's funny when you were talking about that, I got the feeling, and I don't know if you've seen this movie or not, and I hate to talk about movies and stuff, but I started thinking about the movie Contact. I don't know if you've ever seen Contact, but when she's on the beach and the alien represents themselves as her father, it was the only way that she could probably digest that information without

Logan Mathias (40:15.758)
You know, honestly, completely shattering her entire world.

something that she knew and was comfortable with. So I bet this woman liked unicorns as a child. I did too, so that's pretty interesting. I like unicorns.

Yeah, and you know, maybe they exist in some kind of form and you never know. I've Instagram's a bit of a, I've used a lot of humour in it and one of the ones is Noah's Ark sailing away and the two unicorns are left on the, on the front looking at each other saying, shit, was that today that we were supposed to be on that boat? But who knows, we don't, there's so many, even our perception of history and stuff.

Again, there's a lot of stuff coming up and maybe you've interviewed some people on this kind of thing, but you think of people like Graham Hancock and the folk that are talking about this younger dry speed and then beyond that, where does this technology come from for things like pyramids and civilizations? Go back to Turkey where there's all these sort of under-cities being kind of bypassed. They wouldn't exist with hunter-gatherer type people.

So it could be that there's a lot more to things that we just, we don't understand. We've got perception of a limited perspective on just what we know, but there's maybe a lot more to it.

Logan Mathias (41:40.622)
Yeah, it definitely lends itself to believing and understanding things that are for some people pretty hard to digest. know, it's yeah, think of things like quantum mechanics and all those sort of things. And even I'm like, OK, it's like one of those things where I got to put the fork down, stand up for a little bit and go, OK, I'm going to need some time to digest this one. Yeah, because it is it. It makes you maybe have to expand with what the.

You what the internet doesn't tell you. You know don't learn from YouTube, you know.

The cool thing is, think, something like quantum physics, quantum mechanics, that's actually starting to bridge a little bit of, I like the idea that, so if you look at matter, so as we're talking about here, we're talking about some sort of spiritual experience, but what is a spiritual experience? So maybe it is that we are still within that physical experience. I don't actually believe that we actually die. I think there's more of a reawakening to our.

to a greater awareness that we have been closed down. But when you look at something like quantum physics, so we always believed until the 1920s or something where the physics kind of told us that matter was all constructed through atoms. So atoms are the building block of everything, of the universe, of Earth. But what we know is that the only difference between

maybe a mountain or a wall and ourself. The only difference is the way that the atoms are constructed. So technically, you had the science and the ability, the technology, you could take a mountain or a brick wall and form it into being me just by constructing the atoms in different ways. So, but then when you look at atoms, then as an atom, so when you zoom into an atom, it's this sort of thing.

Stephen Towill (43:39.886)
with a little tiny nucleus in the middle and these electrons come in about it. So they say that within this circle where the electrons are going around is 99.99996. It's a hydrogen atom, but 96 of nothing. But there's a tiny little nucleus in the middle. So when they zoom into the nucleus, maybe that's the matter. When they look into that, it's a proton and a neutron.

Okay, we'll carry it with what is a proton and a neutron. And then when I look into that, it's a thing called quarks. Now quarks, they say that there's no size on them, there's no mass, no dimension. They're an event that appears and disappears and nobody knows where it's disappeared to. There's dimensions that it's kind of appearing and disappearing through. So, the whole life and all the universe is constructed by...

this 99.999 of nothing and then when we look in and that's nothing as well other than these events then it's starting to then show us okay quantum physics is really challenging our perspective on our reality which is good and I mean something like something like an atom as well to give a perspective the nucleus it says that if the atom is the earth then the nucleus is about the size of a football field that's how small that is compared to the overall earth

So it starts to feed into these kinds of ideas that I guess that from these kind of life between lives is that we're in this big energetic construct of experience where we can really, there may be some predetermined sort of factors that may come our way and the experiences that we may meet and things that will, challenges that we'll go through. But I think at the same point, we've also got the free will aspect as well, which we can choose.

whether we go through that experience or if we don't go through that experience, all that would happen is if we don't, we'd probably lose out on a potential lesson that we've been trying to kind work through. And it may just have to be then reworked in another way that we can then experience that again, either another time or potentially another life. for me, it's this idea of it's just this big construct, which almost like a play where we take a character and we come in and we will let out, we'll play this part.

Stephen Towill (46:03.173)
and learn what we learn, grow in the ways that we grow. And this big conscious energetic construct that there's 99.9999 of nothing. And then we awaken back to this idea of again, I actually call it the between lives. Michael Newton called it the life between lives. I only use between lives because he trademarked it. So I can't use that but.

But even for me, that doesn't make a lot of sense. sounds like it's some space between lives. But for me, I think that's all the one thing. think it's just about, if you think about dimensions and I think they're all there. It's just about our focus isn't on the greater dimensions. And I think that the more that we can expand that, and as somebody that's done some kind of ayahuasca or something, they'll probably tell you that.

That's the way they see things from a bigger perspective. But for me, it's all the one thing. It's one big, it's one big conscious experience. It's just that ours is constructed in a way to make us believe that we are humans living our life. And the way that I also see it is that if we knew that that's what we were doing, because we, can talk about this, right? And then I'll go away and there'll be some,

domestic situation, or annoying me. And you kind of, it's like you you tuned back into the drama and there's more vibration, but it's almost like that's, we need to do that to grow and to learn and to stop things from getting to us or to move past things or to be wiser, better ways of presenting ourselves or communicating. That's how we grow. And it's this drama and this experience that creates that growth and learning.

But think if we had, if we walked about with this good consciousness all the time, we would be just thinking, well, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter because it doesn't really exist.

Logan Mathias (48:07.608)
So we would love to. don't need to get out of bed today. It's okay. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter.

Just same past physical body and forget about it and just drift off. So defeat the purpose of the whole construct of what we live.

said

Logan Mathias (48:24.79)
I and it's funny because everything you said is definitely something that I'm very

I'm very tied to. I had a, I don't know, I've talked to lot of different people, but I had an NDE and it does really kind of put a lot of different things in a perspective. I give everything it's due diligence. It's not that I don't. Like when it comes to work and when comes to all these little different things that, in the grand scheme of things like we've just talked about, it really doesn't matter. That's funny, we use the word matter.

But it is interesting how when you think about, when you have that new perspective, how some of these things are so trivial.

like, everyday worries.

You know, you look at, mean, my gosh, if you turn on the news right now, it's, and I'm sure it's the same in the U.S., it's hot garbage. And I don't know, I look beyond and it doesn't look like it's a whole lot better around the world. It's just a different version of garbage. you know, when you look about the grand scheme of things, you know, if we're all connected and all these different things that, you know, it becomes noise at some point.

Logan Mathias (49:43.468)
And I just try, I just choose not to pay attention to it. It's just noise to me. but now it's fascinating. And I appreciate you unpacking that a little bit because I often think, and we've spoken to some people that have had these experiences where, you know, they were part of a different consciousness and they realized that this life that we're leading here is, isn't the real them. It's just a, yeah, that's the words they use. It isn't the real them.

That's the words that they use.

can't believe I thought that was my real life.

Right. You know, this was just a run of something, know, whatever, however they wanted to fill, fill that narrative. But it's like, it's amazing to me that in speaking with you and in speaking with them and a lot of different people we've talked to about this, there's, there's a lot of key elements that are very similar. you know, especially like things like frequency, things like intention and all these other different things that I think when you work your

nine to five work a day thing that you just completely lose sight of. And, but you're right. It is valid. It's important because if you're not learning whatever lesson you were here to learn, right. You got to come back and do it again or worse, you know, or never get to do it again.

Nicole Mathias (50:54.926)
We've got to come back and do it again.

Stephen Towill (51:02.222)
I think that's the thing is that I think there is a purpose. So again, when you say that some people may say that isn't the real them, but find that person right now. They could begin through some kind of annoyance of going to the bank and they can't get their money out and they're showing it. So in a way, they've tuned back into the real them again. And it's a perspective. That's all it is, is that it isn't only what they are, but it's still a part of what they are.

So it's still the real them from one perspective, but it's not the real them from another perspective. and again, this is where people start to get, what's the point arguing with each other because it's just a perspective. It's a way of understanding things that none of us understand. And I think, and that's, when we look at life for me, there's some very, very simple things and it's all about choice and experience.

That's the two things that are key in it all. when you think about, may be in a, you could be in a horrible relationship. You think, why have I got myself into this relationship and I've got some horrible friends and I just hate my life and I'm at this job and I hate my job and I hate my life. And now also your life up to that point, you've been making choices. You chose to start dating the person that you married. You chose to,

to interact with that friend and maintain that friendship and continue that friendship and to that point where you're now still in that friendship. And maybe the people were nicer people back then, but they've changed themselves, but you've stuck to this. You continue to make those choices to stay in that. You continue to go up for work in the morning and go to that job. So when you think about what our life is, our life is just an accumulation of many, many, many choices.

And through those choices are creating experience. And so I think even in the worst circumstance, if you look at some of the countries at the moment, there may be war torn and they are leaving those countries. They are jumping boats and they're heading places and then wherever they're heading, they're not being received because people don't like the people that are immigrants and they're seeing them as taking their stuff. so, but these people have chosen to try and get away from that. Whereas some people may stay in it and

Stephen Towill (53:23.468)
So it's again, it's just a bit continuing making choices. And when you keep making those choices, as soon as you become stuck and I'm gonna say that I hate my job, I hate my friends. The choices that you're making are to remain stuck. But if you start to try different things and look at different avenues and make different choices, then you can change your life. You can improve your life. can no matter what the circumstance, whether it's a bad relationship, whether it's an abusive relationship, maybe.

the intent of us to leave and be homeless and have nothing but that first step then at some place you might find shelter then you may find some support and then you might find then in 10 years time you're living a completely different life in a different way all because you made some choices. So and this is what I kind of see it all as is as is it's like we've came here with some kind of framework of how we

want to experience for our own growth and our own development and the challenges that will be placed on us will help us in that way. There may be some people that create, that they may be sort of interfering in our experience and causes a lot of problems and that's maybe not the way that it was supposed to be. But all we can do then is from that is to navigate away from how we can deal with that and how we cope.

So I don't think it's as black and as white as it's that everything is predetermined. I think everything is, there's a free will element to it all. So some people have the free will to absolutely wreck our lives, but it's up to us to find a way to maneuver away from that or move away from that person, find a different route to take or a different place to live or a different job or a different relationship. We've got to take responsibility for ourselves rather than...

looking at it from a victim perspective. And some of the great people that you'll see standing in stages of them through horrendous lives are people who have made choices and that they have not played the victim card. They've found their strength within their experiences and these are the people that are standing as inspiration to other people. So it's about experience. The experience brings us the growth and the understanding,

Stephen Towill (55:44.81)
expansion maybe of our consciousness and what we are and the choice is how we do it and it's up to each of us to make those choices.

man.

Logan Mathias (55:59.214)
Steven, I could probably talk to you for like nine hours straight. I appreciate so much the things that you've shared with us because it never ceases to amaze me, I should say, just how unique everybody is, but then there are those similarities. that's what I'm left with with this discussion and a lot of other discussions we've had that we were one of the 15, looking at that same leaf.

the different perspective, the same key elements always seem to ring true.

The same base, least.

And you know, the other thing as well is that even if you choose not to believe any of this stuff and that you don't want, maybe this is not the place for you to do that. Maybe your path is, you don't need to understand the universe and the way things work. You're just here to focus on the stuff that you've got to learn and grow. so I think it doesn't really, I think it's for everybody. Some people want to understand, some people want to

to grow and to take the knowledge forward and expand our awareness and understanding. Some people are just here to live out their lives that they're here to do and that's fine. It's from a spiritual perspective, it's all good. It's all, everybody's working in the same direction. We're all going, we're all moving forward in some way.

Logan Mathias (57:23.086)
Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, that's perfect. Steven, I know our audience is going to know, I have to get ahold of you. I know you're in Glasgow and I know that there, we do have listeners out there as well and kind of worldwide, but how can people get in touch with you and kind of get into kind of what you've got going on?

Well, most of my work is, so I do these things for fun and just to share my experience and my understanding. But I'm still a client based working face to face. It's one of the hardest ways to do it because you're working with people's problems, you're working with trying to help people. it's a battle or it can be a difficult thing depending on what people bring. So everything that I do is still client based. And Instagram is probably one place where

I use it for a little bit of fun. And as you said, the world is a bit of a mad place and there's a lot of mad stuff going on. But I think what we can be doing is we can be focusing too much on that as well. So I think it's sometimes it's good to also focus on some of the good things that are happening in this world. So I use my Instagram pages a bit of fun, bit of information, bit of comedy. So they can find me on Instagram.

just to follow me and for that I've got content entertainment, it's all free. So Stephen underscore, sorry, Stephen Trill underscore hypnotherapy. in terms of client work, they can find me on my website, which is just StephenTrill.com or a link on my Instagram page to book me. they can basically go and do book sessions with me, whether it's...

at the therapy to help them with their fears, their anxieties, their challenges, their limitations, anything mind related that is causing some kind of block, whether it's confidence at the therapist or whether it's past life, between lives. I do sessions on that as well. So a website and Instagram is probably the two best places.

Logan Mathias (59:29.134)
That's awesome. Yeah, we we're going to put all that in the show notes and then anybody watching the video on YouTube will have the links up too. So, um, gosh, I, I, my, my biggest thing for, I think for, would want our audience to know is that, um, yeah, reach out to you. There's so much we've had a look at the Instagram. It got some great stuff there. definitely look at the website. So, um, but yeah, Stephen, what a, what a great, what a great time. Thank you so much for being on.

And we.

Logan Mathias (59:58.93)
And the one thing I always like to end with is what is the biggest misconception with any given, whether it's ghost or whatever we're talking about that particular day. What would you like in parting for audience to know what the biggest misconception of some of the things that we've talked about?

And okay, so I think the first thing is that we're in realms of trying to understand. So I think it's any kind of judgment should always be open because unless, if we perceive things in a way that we know, then we're never going to be able to expand our awareness of understanding. So I think in terms of misconceptions, I think it's maybe not look at misconception, but look at just possibility.

probably hypnosis. There's a lot of misconception around that and what it is. It's probably the worst word to describe what is. I'd probably even say I'm a hypnotherapist because it's a hypnotist, because it doesn't make any sense. Hypnosis is a good god of sleep. And it's not sleep that you're doing. So say the best way I can try and describe it is that we're trying to focus the mind. Some people see stage hypnosis and think there's some kind of mind control happening. But again, if anything,

when it comes to things like hypnotherapy or exploring this, it's almost giving people more control to go and explore these aspects of the mind that we are not always aware of or that we don't really delve into that much. So I think the misconception is probably around hypnosis and that it's not about a control but more giving a control to people to allow them to explore and to sort of help change aspects of themselves or to understand more about.

what we are and who we are.

Logan Mathias (01:01:46.284)
Fantastic. Steve, thank you so much for joining us and we look forward to talking to you soon.

Thank you. It's been a pleasure to meet you as well. Take care. Okay, thank you.

Right?

Hey, Steven, thanks for coming on. You know, I know what the answer of this is going to be, but I to ask this question. Do they all, when they go to school for hypnotherapy, all have to learn the voice? It's like all of them do then calming.

Thank so much.

Nicole Mathias (01:02:09.75)
soothing voice. I think you just have to have it.

Yeah, I mean, between him and Simon and just, I don't know, you guys, when you listen to it, let us know in the comments, but they just have this like really calm melodic.

Well, they probably teach them like how to speak to maybe help them get into hypnosis. Yeah, absolutely. I don't think you just have it. Like you can't just learn how to do that.

He's got a very calming and you just, listen. Yeah. That's gotta be one of those things. But anyway, aside from that, wow.

Yeah, I'm fascinated.

Logan Mathias (01:02:46.894)
and I, I don't know why I jumped into the whole quantum physics and quantum mechanics, but it's related. And when he was breaking it down, I'm just like, guys, sometimes we just do the same thing. You're probably doing right now. I'm just like,

That's related.

Nicole Mathias (01:03:00.946)
Yeah, I spend most of the interviews just processing what people are saying. I'm not much of a talker, but I'm just like so zoned in on what they're talking about.

Digest

Logan Mathias (01:03:10.758)
It's fascinating when you start breaking it into the adamant, which I know is to be true Yeah, it's just you listening to it packed up like that. It's just amazing. But Yeah, what did you come away with on that? What what kind of?

Yeah, that was fascinating.

Nicole Mathias (01:03:26.414)
I mean, a lot of the stuff we had heard before, at least with the past life regression part, but the between lives, that's interesting. That is. Like going past the point of death in between, I hadn't heard that one. Now it does remind me of like the NDE type experiences.

Yeah.

Like the guides coming forward, past loved ones coming forward. So that was kind of similar, but it was different. Similar, but different. Sorry. I don't know how I'll think of it. It's true. You know, but even talking about like coming back and you're kind of in the same group. I have heard that multiple times. Like people talk about, well you used to be my daughter or

You know, when kids remember, at least when children remember their past life, well, you used to, I used to be your mommy or something like that. It's like the same group to help you grow and mature in this life and move on. So it's just interesting how it's all packaged together.

It is. And, and how fluid it all is. It's amazing. Guys, you tell us, I mean, this one, this one's an interesting one. This one's got a lot of meat on the bone to kind of go through and, there's no way we can wrap that in an hour or so. So by all means, you know, if you want to leave us a comment or whatever, do so. Cause it's, there's a lot there. There's a whole lot there, but, yeah, I mean, other than that.

Logan Mathias (01:05:03.98)
What else can we say about Stephen?

Great guest. Absolutely fantastic guest. It was a pleasure meeting him and speaking with him.

Yes.

Logan Mathias (01:05:14.264)
Well, guys, I mean, we'll see you next week.

Well, I'm going to repeat his website. So if you want to book either a past life regression or this between lives hypnosis, don't say that very fast. It comes out weird. it's Steven. So S T E P H E N T O W I L L.com. Yep. Yeah. you click on that. And I think he's got a blog even in there that you can read and

No.

Nicole Mathias (01:05:46.828)
It's got the place where you can book, like the link to book the thing for like an hour.

Yeah. Yeah. And honestly, guys, it's really reasonable too. Yeah, actually I am too, but we may become clients. But listen, guys, we appreciate it and we're excited what's coming up. But yeah, we'll see you next week.

Yeah, is. Seriously, thank

Nicole Mathias (01:06:08.681)
See you next week.